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Message #1 by "Greg Robinson" <gregarobinson@h...> on Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:14:31 -0400
Language choice does not matter.  Learn the framework and the CLR; they 
matter.  Regarding language choice, it depends.

Do you want to learn a new syntax and have the time to do so?

Do you have a project that needs to be completed yesterday?  Then pick the 
language closest to your current syntax.

If VB is your background, I happen to believe VB.NET is a fairly smooth 
transition, although, keep in mind, it is a brand new language.  If C is 
your background, C# might be a better choice.

Again, do not focus on the language.  Focus on the FGramework, class 
libraries and the CLR.




>From: "ADO.NET digest" <ado_dotnet@p...>
>Reply-To: "ADO.NET" <ado_dotnet@p...>
>To: "ado_dotnet digest recipients" <ado_dotnet@p...>
>Subject: ado_dotnet digest: August 21, 2002
>Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 00:00:13 +0100
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>ADO_DOTNET Digest for Wednesday, August 21, 2002.
>
>1. VB.Net or CSHARP
>2. RE: VB.Net or CSHARP
>3. RE: VB.Net or CSHARP
>4. RE: VB.Net or CSHARP
>5. CHANGING THE DATA GRID AFTR THE WIZARD
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Subject: VB.Net or CSHARP
>From: "veluswamy" <vellu125@y...>
>Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 06:37:42
>X-Message-Number: 1
>
>
>Hi All,
>
>I wanted to know if given the option to choose between VB.Net And CSHARP
>which one do i opt for and why?
>I would appreciate replies that make a comparison with VB.Net And CSHARP
>on each aspect that you feel either of the language is better off.
>
>Thanks and  bye
>
>velu
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Subject: RE: VB.Net or CSHARP
>From: "Brian Smith" <bsmith@l...>
>Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 08:52:36 +0100
>X-Message-Number: 2
>
>Definitely C#. I've been a VB developer since version 1.0, but before
>that I used C, and only ever 'fiddled' with C++. I find VB.Net too messy
>by half, and because of the steep .Net framework learning curve, the
>choice of a different language actually makes the differences more
>explicit. VB is for COM, C# for .Net.
>In the long term I would expect C# to dominate, and VB.Net to wither.
>
>Brian Smith
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: veluswamy [mailto:vellu125@y...]
>Sent: Wed, 21 August 2002 06:38
>To: ADO.NET
>Subject: [ado_dotnet] VB.Net or CSHARP
>
>
>
>Hi All,
>
>I wanted to know if given the option to choose between VB.Net And CSHARP
>
>which one do i opt for and why?
>I would appreciate replies that make a comparison with VB.Net And CSHARP
>on each aspect that you feel either of the language is better off.
>
>Thanks and  bye
>
>velu
>---
>ASP.NET Distributed Data Applications
>This book will inspire you with a range of ideas on how data
>can be used to drive Web applications, and how that data can
>be most effectively utilized at each level of the design.
>Inefficient data use leads to the sort of slow, unresponsive
>Web applications that nobody enjoys using. By making good use
>of both server and client-side code, we can solve these
>problems. This book will arm you with the techniques you need
>to build Web applications that fly.
>http://www.wrox.com/ACON11.asp?ISBN=1861004923
>
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Subject: RE: VB.Net or CSHARP
>From: Norbert Harrer <nharrer@g...>
>Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:30:56 +0200
>X-Message-Number: 3
>
>Well, VB6 is for COM. But he asked for VB.NET. VB.NET is equal to
>C#.NET. They both use the same framework and compile down to the same
>platform (of course).
>
>It has been shown that VB7, with 'option strict' on, is as fast as
>C#. So, what remains is a small difference in syntax. I have seen
>tools that can translate VB to C# code and vice versa.
>
>So why would one language be better then the other? It's a matter of
>taste. C++ programmers tend to have a hard time to switch to a
>non-semicolon language (no kidding, I heard that statement a couple
>time at the last VS.Live), so they gave them C#.
>
>Nowadays, what's characteristic and critical is the API (JDK, .NET
>Framework, ...) that comes with a language and not the language syntax
>itself. My opinion: if you can write C# code, you can write VB as
>well. I give you two days to practice the different set of key words,
>and you are done - put both languages on your resume. :-)
>
>Norbert.
>
>
>Wednesday, August 21, 2002, 9:52:36 AM, you wrote:
>
>BS> Definitely C#. I've been a VB developer since version 1.0, but before
>BS> that I used C, and only ever 'fiddled' with C++. I find VB.Net too 
>messy
>BS> by half, and because of the steep .Net framework learning curve, the
>BS> choice of a different language actually makes the differences more
>BS> explicit. VB is for COM, C# for .Net.
>BS> In the long term I would expect C# to dominate, and VB.Net to wither.
>
>BS> Brian Smith
>
>BS> -----Original Message-----
>BS> From: veluswamy [mailto:vellu125@y...]
>BS> Sent: Wed, 21 August 2002 06:38
>BS> To: ADO.NET
>BS> Subject: [ado_dotnet] VB.Net or CSHARP
>
>
>
>BS> Hi All,
>
>BS> I wanted to know if given the option to choose between VB.Net And 
>CSHARP
>
>BS> which one do i opt for and why?
>BS> I would appreciate replies that make a comparison with VB.Net And 
>CSHARP
>BS> on each aspect that you feel either of the language is better off.
>
>BS> Thanks and  bye
>
>BS> velu
>BS> ---
>BS> ASP.NET Distributed Data Applications
>BS> This book will inspire you with a range of ideas on how data
>BS> can be used to drive Web applications, and how that data can
>BS> be most effectively utilized at each level of the design.
>BS> Inefficient data use leads to the sort of slow, unresponsive
>BS> Web applications that nobody enjoys using. By making good use
>BS> of both server and client-side code, we can solve these
>BS> problems. This book will arm you with the techniques you need
>BS> to build Web applications that fly.
>BS> http://www.wrox.com/ACON11.asp?ISBN=1861004923
>BS> ---
>BS> 
>BS> 
>BS> 
>
>
>BS> ---
>BS> ASP.NET Distributed Data Applications
>BS> This book will inspire you with a range of ideas on how data
>BS> can be used to drive Web applications, and how that data can
>BS> be most effectively utilized at each level of the design.
>BS> Inefficient data use leads to the sort of slow, unresponsive
>BS> Web applications that nobody enjoys using. By making good use
>BS> of both server and client-side code, we can solve these
>BS> problems. This book will arm you with the techniques you need
>BS> to build Web applications that fly.
>BS> http://www.wrox.com/ACON11.asp?ISBN=1861004923
>BS> ---
>BS> 
>BS> 
>
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Subject: RE: VB.Net or CSHARP
>From: "Brian Smith" <bsmith@l...>
>Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:36:28 +0100
>X-Message-Number: 4
>
>Norbert,
>You've misunderstood my point. I don't believe there are any significant
>intrinsic issues over which .Net language you use when it comes to
>performance, features etc. Each language has pros and cons.
>But when it comes to suitability for the job, and syntactical elegance,
>C# wins over VB.Net because it was designed as an OO language from the
>ground up (with nods to C/C++ syntax). VB, however, was never designed
>as an OO language, and has been modified (butchered) over the years to
>provide it with some OO features. For COM work, it does the job.
>
>If you did not have any prior preference/experience then no case could
>be made to adopt VB.Net over C#. (J++ is another matter).
>
>The differences between VB 6.0 and VB.Net are significant enough to make
>using it merely confusing to someone who still uses VB 6.0. That's why I
>said VB was for COM - it's much easier on the brain (or at least my
>brain) to keep the two environments distinct.
>
>Brian Smith
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Norbert Harrer [mailto:nharrer@g...]
>Sent: Wed, 21 August 2002 09:31
>To: ADO.NET
>Subject: [ado_dotnet] RE: VB.Net or CSHARP
>
>
>Well, VB6 is for COM. But he asked for VB.NET. VB.NET is equal to
>C#.NET. They both use the same framework and compile down to the same
>platform (of course).
>
>It has been shown that VB7, with 'option strict' on, is as fast as C#.
>So, what remains is a small difference in syntax. I have seen tools that
>can translate VB to C# code and vice versa.
>
>So why would one language be better then the other? It's a matter of
>taste. C++ programmers tend to have a hard time to switch to a
>non-semicolon language (no kidding, I heard that statement a couple time
>at the last VS.Live), so they gave them C#.
>
>Nowadays, what's characteristic and critical is the API (JDK, .NET
>Framework, ...) that comes with a language and not the language syntax
>itself. My opinion: if you can write C# code, you can write VB as well.
>I give you two days to practice the different set of key words, and you
>are done - put both languages on your resume. :-)
>
>Norbert.
>
>
>Wednesday, August 21, 2002, 9:52:36 AM, you wrote:
>
>BS> Definitely C#. I've been a VB developer since version 1.0, but
>BS> before that I used C, and only ever 'fiddled' with C++. I find
>BS> VB.Net too messy by half, and because of the steep .Net framework
>BS> learning curve, the choice of a different language actually makes
>BS> the differences more explicit. VB is for COM, C# for .Net. In the
>BS> long term I would expect C# to dominate, and VB.Net to wither.
>
>BS> Brian Smith
>
>BS> -----Original Message-----
>BS> From: veluswamy [mailto:vellu125@y...]
>BS> Sent: Wed, 21 August 2002 06:38
>BS> To: ADO.NET
>BS> Subject: [ado_dotnet] VB.Net or CSHARP
>
>
>
>BS> Hi All,
>
>BS> I wanted to know if given the option to choose between VB.Net And
>CSHARP
>
>BS> which one do i opt for and why?
>BS> I would appreciate replies that make a comparison with VB.Net And
>CSHARP
>BS> on each aspect that you feel either of the language is better off.
>
>BS> Thanks and  bye
>
>BS> velu
>BS> ---
>BS> ASP.NET Distributed Data Applications
>BS> This book will inspire you with a range of ideas on how data
>BS> can be used to drive Web applications, and how that data can
>BS> be most effectively utilized at each level of the design.
>BS> Inefficient data use leads to the sort of slow, unresponsive
>BS> Web applications that nobody enjoys using. By making good use
>BS> of both server and client-side code, we can solve these
>BS> problems. This book will arm you with the techniques you need
>BS> to build Web applications that fly.
>BS> http://www.wrox.com/ACON11.asp?ISBN=1861004923
>BS> ---
>BS> 
>BS> 
>BS> 
>
>
>BS> ---
>BS> ASP.NET Distributed Data Applications
>BS> This book will inspire you with a range of ideas on how data
>BS> can be used to drive Web applications, and how that data can
>BS> be most effectively utilized at each level of the design.
>BS> Inefficient data use leads to the sort of slow, unresponsive
>BS> Web applications that nobody enjoys using. By making good use
>BS> of both server and client-side code, we can solve these
>BS> problems. This book will arm you with the techniques you need
>BS> to build Web applications that fly.
>BS> http://www.wrox.com/ACON11.asp?ISBN=1861004923
>BS> ---
>BS> 
>BS> 
>
>
>---
>ASP.NET Distributed Data Applications
>This book will inspire you with a range of ideas on how data
>can be used to drive Web applications, and how that data can
>be most effectively utilized at each level of the design.
>Inefficient data use leads to the sort of slow, unresponsive
>Web applications that nobody enjoys using. By making good use
>of both server and client-side code, we can solve these
>problems. This book will arm you with the techniques you need
>to build Web applications that fly.
>http://www.wrox.com/ACON11.asp?ISBN=1861004923
>
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Subject: CHANGING THE DATA GRID AFTR THE WIZARD
>From: "mike" <MIKEZCG@Y...>
>Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:18:16
>X-Message-Number: 5
>
>You never get to modify any of the sql for your data grid. So i am going
>in now and changing and my query.  But the titles and the order on the
>data grid never change.
>
>
>Grrr
>
>M~
>
>Also can anyone suggest the best book for ado.net with vb?
>Wrox did the Professional ado.net C# not VB.NEt
>M2~
>
>
>---
>
>END OF DIGEST
>
>---
>ASP.NET Distributed Data Applications
>This book will inspire you with a range of ideas on how data
>can be used to drive Web applications, and how that data can
>be most effectively utilized at each level of the design.
>Inefficient data use leads to the sort of slow, unresponsive
>Web applications that nobody enjoys using. By making good use
>of both server and client-side code, we can solve these
>problems. This book will arm you with the techniques you need
>to build Web applications that fly.
>http://www.wrox.com/ACON11.asp?ISBN=1861004923




Greg Robinson
Director of Training and .NET Technologies
Scribble Software
www.scribblesoftware.com
gregr@s...
xxx.xxx.xxxx


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