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asp_web_howto thread: Frames and
Message #1 by "Johan" <johan.wasserman@a...> on Fri, 22 Jun 2001 09:18:02
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I have a page frame with _left and _right frames, the _left frame contains
a "Toolbox" with buttons that are supposed to open different *.aspx forms
in the _right frame. The problem is, client side redirects doesnt work.
How do I tel the server to post the form to the _right frame?
Message #2 by ssteward@a... on Fri, 22 Jun 2001 08:50:16 -0500
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In the <head> section of your page, put the following line:
<base target=3D"_right">
-----Original Message-----
From: Johan [mailto:johan.wasserman@a...]
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 4:18 AM
To: ASP Web HowTo
Subject: [asp_web_howto] Frames and <asp:button>
I have a page frame with _left and _right frames, the _left frame
contains
a "Toolbox" with buttons that are supposed to open different *.aspx
forms
in the _right frame. The problem is, client side redirects doesnt
work.
How do I tel the server to post the form to the _right frame?
Message #3 by "Alan Fair" <alanf@i...> on Wed, 27 Jun 2001 09:19:00
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Hi,
I saw your reply to Johan, I have a similar problem, I tried your
solution, but it did not seem to make any difference, so I was hoping you
could help. My set up is explained below.
First however can i ask what the significence of the "3D" in your solution
is. I keep seeing this in other peoples solutions.
My set up is as follows:-
Initially my first page is broken into two frames, called headingFrame and
mainFrame.
In the mainFrame is a list of projects which the user can select one.
When they do so, the mainFrame is split into three frames, namely,
titleframe, displayframe and menuframe. nothing changes in the top and
bottom frame, differnet forms are displayed in the middle frame
(displayframe) in which all the processing is carried out. This works fine.
my problem lies in when the user needs to select a new project, i need to
display the project list, as at the start in the mainFrame. I can not get
this to happen it gets displayed in the displayframe.
The response.redirect gives no way to specify the frame.
The result i am trying to achieve is the project selection screen
displayed in the mainframe, and the subsequent frames that it was divided
into not shown.
Hope this makes sense.
Alan
> In the <head> section of your page, put the following line:
> <base target=3D"_right">
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Johan [mailto:johan.wasserman@a...]
> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 4:18 AM
> To: ASP Web HowTo
> Subject: [asp_web_howto] Frames and <asp:button>
>
>
> I have a page frame with _left and _right frames, the _left frame
> contains
> a "Toolbox" with buttons that are supposed to open different *.aspx
> forms
> in the _right frame. The problem is, client side redirects doesnt
> work.
> How do I tel the server to post the form to the _right frame?
>
Message #4 by "Alex Shiell, ITS, EC, SE" <alex.shiell@s...> on Wed, 27 Jun 2001 13:13:43 +0100
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We've had this 3D debate loads on these lists...
apparently its something to do with our mail packages using an invalid
character set, which causes certain characters to be represented
instead by
codes, so '=3D' becomes '=3D3D'.
I have never seen this anywhere else apart from when sending to the
wrox
lists, also I can't find anywhere in Outlook that allows you to change
the
character set that it uses...
Message #5 by "Daniel O'Dorisio" <dodorisio@h...> on Wed, 27 Jun 2001 08:42:45 -0400
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i once saw a ms kb article on this.. but i cant find it to save my life. i
think it said that there is something about exchange server that did it..
but i dont rmemember
daniel
-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Shiell, ITS, EC, SE [mailto:alex.shiell@s...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 8:14 AM
To: ASP Web HowTo
Subject: [asp_web_howto] RE: Frames and <asp:button>
We've had this 3D debate loads on these lists...
apparently its something to do with our mail packages using an invalid
character set, which causes certain characters to be represented instead by
codes, so '=' becomes '=3D'.
I have never seen this anywhere else apart from when sending to the wrox
lists, also I can't find anywhere in Outlook that allows you to change the
character set that it uses...
Message #6 by "Daniel Walker" <danielw@w...> on Wed, 27 Jun 2001 15:16:55
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Take a look here:
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/1236/nomime.html
The principal problem is with the iso-8859-1 character set, known as
"Latin 1", a MIME message (as any of you who've subscribed to an
unmoderated list as a digest subscriber will know to your cost)
includes the original text, say a HTML-formatted message, as it
actually exists, so it tends to look like:
<html>
<div> </div>
<div><font size="2" face="sans-serif,arial,helv,helvetica">Hi all,</font> </div>
<div> </div>
<div> </div>
...et cetera
If your mail-client can't understand this (for example, because this
message is now part of a digest) this will look awful and can actually be
unreadable. A MIME message encloses a plain text version as well, but
E-Mail (indeed the whole Internet) doesn't actually support Latin 1
(Euopean plain text) only US-ASCII plain text. This is because the web
was begat from the Internet, which was, in turn, begat from the ARPAnet,
wherein the fact that US-ASCII was the only text type actually supported
(in it's native form) seemed a logical way of reducing the memory load
needed to encode, transmit and store text files: this was 1967, remember
and most computer programming was still batch-process-style programming.
If your plain text is set as "Latin1" or "iso-8859-1", the "Quoted
printable" portion of your message will substitute whatever characters
your mail client (in it's Frontpage-like wisdom) deem to be unsupported,
with an equals sign followed by the octal numeric value of that
character, under the given character set.
Ironically, Outlook and Outlook Express both reckon that in Latin 1 this
includes the "=" character itself, which it replaces with an equals sign
and "3D", it's octal value. Because the HTML parts of messages can make
digests bulky and unreadable for digest-subscribers, what we at Wrox do,
where possible, is manually delete the HTML portion and move the content
type declaration on the plain-text portion into the header and just send
that through: the "Quoted Printable" declaration should permit any e-mail
client recieving it to reconvert the text back into the Latin 1 character
set.
It seems that this sometimes isn't happening, for reasons I cannot account
for: probably because Outlook is wrong to make these substitutions
in the first place. Also, the web interface still displays the quoted
printable version - warts and all. However it might be a better solution
to ask that subscribers configure their e-mail clients to become Internet
compliant, (and Geoff Boyd's article has instructions that will allow you
to do this for many of the world's e-mail programs) than for us to
simply stop making that extra effort and just letting the digest
subscribers suffer.
Daniel Walker
Wrox Press
> i once saw a ms kb article on this.. but i cant find it to save my life. i
> think it said that there is something about exchange server that did it..
> but i dont rmemember
>
> daniel
>
Message #7 by "Johan" <johan.wasserman@a...> on Fri, 29 Jun 2001 08:19:41
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I am so happy to see so many replies to my original message but I get the
idea that the toppic has changed!
Thankyou for all the interesting stuff on 3D.... but the problem remains:
How do I open a *.aspx form in a specific frame in ASP+? Apparently the
frames are rendered on the client side and the server has no knowledge of
them. I have tried EVERYTHING, even to set "runat=server" when creating
the frames and am just plain out of ideas. It could be a good idea to use
response.write to generate html on the client side that will open a form
in a frame, but is that possible and how?
Any ideas or code samples out there would be highly appreciated.
Message #8 by "Alex Shiell, ITS, EC, SE" <alex.shiell@s...> on Fri, 29 Jun 2001 10:16:08 +0100
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Johan,
I'm not quite sure what you are trying to do... but you must
distinguish in
your mind what takes place on the server and what takes place on the
client.
A frameset divides one browser window into multiple browser windows,
each of
which is a seperate browser in its own right, albeit part of a
hierarchy. A
request sent from any particular frame will result in the response
being
sent to that particular frame. If you want to click something in one
frame
to have something happen in another, you can either use a hyperlink
with a
target frame specified, in which case the browser sends the request
"from"
the target frame, or you can use client side scripting to manipulate
what
goes on in the other frames. In any case, anything to with frames
happens
on the client and is nothing to do with the server.
An ASP does not run "in a frame", it runs on the server. Any HTML
produced
by the ASP will be sent to whatever frame sent the request to the
server.
In order to split a page into frames, youve got to write (or generate
with
ASP) the set of HTML frameset tags that will split the window up into
multiple windows. Each frame in the frameset has a "src" which is the
file
that is to be loaded into each frame. You cannot have anything going
on
within the frame in the ASP that generates the frameset, it has to
happen in
a different ASP that is requested by the frame when the frameset is
created.
Hope this makes sense...
-----Original Message-----
From: Johan [mailto:johan.wasserman@a...]
Sent: 29 June 2001 09:20
To: ASP Web HowTo
Subject: [asp_web_howto] Re: Frames and <asp:button>
I am so happy to see so many replies to my original message but I get
the
idea that the toppic has changed!
Thankyou for all the interesting stuff on 3D.... but the problem
remains:
How do I open a *.aspx form in a specific frame in ASP+? Apparently
the
frames are rendered on the client side and the server has no knowledge
of
them. I have tried EVERYTHING, even to set "runat=3Dserver" when
creating
the frames and am just plain out of ideas. It could be a good idea to
use
response.write to generate html on the client side that will open a
form
in a frame, but is that possible and how?
Any ideas or code samples out there would be highly appreciated.
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