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asp_web_howto thread: On Posting WAS Re: Response object error 'ASP 0156 : 80004005'
Message #1 by "Ken Schaefer" <ken@a...> on Thu, 8 Nov 2001 23:37:36 +1100
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John,
Personally I don't consider Phil's post to be insulting, or critical. He
wrote two dozen helpful lines, followed by a single comment right at the
end, which was suffixed LOL.
Perhaps your anger would be better directed at me, since I posted something
far harsher in response to Pat's post. However, whilst (as you say
correctly) none of us is/are perfect:
a) This list is moderated - if the moderators think we go too far, then they
will let us know - trust me on this :-)
b) These is such a thing as "bad code" - telling someone that their code is
bad is both critical, and can be helpful. Posting your code here means it is
going to be criticised - hopefully constructively. I believe that is what
Phil's criticism was. Phil provided a solution to help the poster improve
their code, and explained *why* the poster should structure their code that
way. What we don't need is gratuitous criticism that doesn't help the
original poster improve their code. I agree with you - we don't need
gratitous criticism.
c) Somethings are a matter of intepretation - something that might come
across as offensive to you might never have been intended as such by the
original poster. Going off your rocker without clarifying intent with the
original poster is possibly going to start an ugly flame war.
I know that I sound very harsh at times. This is usually caused by the fact
that I answer many posts, on many lists, very quickly (and thus very
bluntly). This bluntness is sometimes taken as "arrogance", or
"dismissiveness" etc, which I never intend. Usually I intend to present
helpful advice to get the poster started, but in as brief a manner as
possible. Additionally, my effort in reply is based on the efforts that the
original poster has made (see my opinion here
www.adopenstatic.com/personal/help.asp) - little effort on the part of the
original poster indicates to me a lack of respect for my time (why is my
time answering/researching someone else's problem less valuable than
theirs?)
I'm sorry that you consider posts such as Phil's or mine as "critical" or
"insulting", but I don't believe that we ever intend that. The alternative
is that we don't answer these questions at all...and that I think would make
for a poorer list. (Though I'm happy to be corrected on this).
Cheers
Ken
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From: "JOHN P. PARLATO" <jparlato@m...>
Subject: [asp_web_howto] Re: Response object error 'ASP 0156 : 80004005'
: I'd just like to take a moment to tell you what I think of people like
you,
: that like to be critical and insulting to people
: looking for help. I think your code, if viewed by people with 25 + years
of
: programming and 2 degrees in computer science, could be just as severely
: criticized. Perhaps you should be less prideful, and learn that if you
: choose answer someone's questions here, it doesn't give you any right to
be
: harsh and unkind. I'd love to review your code, and your life and compare
: it to perfection. Unless your name is Jesus, and you've been dead and
: risen, I don't really think you need to be so proud.
:
:
: -----Original Message-----
: From: phil griffiths [mailto:pgtips@m...]
: Subject: [asp_web_howto] Re: Response object error 'ASP 0156 : 80004005'
:
:
: You need to move the ASP code which does the redirect to before the
: opening <html> tag. This is because a redirect is done by sending a
: redirect HTTP header to the client, but if you have already sent HTML to
: the client (which you have because you've put the ASP after the HTML) its
: not possible to go back and amend the header coz its already been sent.
:
: Another solution is to turn buffering on so nothing is sent to the client
: until you tell it to. But I wouldn't recommend this approach, it just
: encourages bad coding like yours, LOL
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Message #2 by "Vinay Poddar" <vinay.poddar@s...> on Fri, 9 Nov 2001 13:05:27 +0530
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Hi ken,
I'm fully agree with you. There is nothing like "bad code". And Phil has
not wrote anything insulting. I guess there is something misunderstood by
John.
Regards,
Vinay Poddar
Message #3 by DEREK TRAN <derekhtran@y...> on Fri, 9 Nov 2001 09:33:45 -0800 (PST)
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Hi all,
Please calm down. I got a lot of help from this forum
and other forums for this problem.
I really appreciate for your help.
Derek.
--- Vinay Poddar <vinay.poddar@s...> wrote:
>
> Hi ken,
>
> I'm fully agree with you. There is nothing like "bad
> code". And Phil has
> not wrote anything insulting. I guess there is
> something misunderstood by
> John.
>
> Regards,
> Vinay Poddar
>
>
>
> derekhtran@y...
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Message #4 by "JOHN P. PARLATO" <jparlato@m...> on Mon, 12 Nov 2001 00:05:20 -0500
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You have a choice to answer a question or not. If you find that you must
begin or end that response, with a snipe,
I consider it to be a bit hypocritical to on the one hand offer to help, and
on the other take a shot. Simply provide the help or don't .... nuf said.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:ken@a...]
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 7:38 AM
To: ASP Web HowTo
Subject: [asp_web_howto] On Posting WAS Re: Response object error 'ASP
0156 : 80004005'
John,
Personally I don't consider Phil's post to be insulting, or critical. He
wrote two dozen helpful lines, followed by a single comment right at the
end, which was suffixed LOL.
Perhaps your anger would be better directed at me, since I posted something
far harsher in response to Pat's post. However, whilst (as you say
correctly) none of us is/are perfect:
a) This list is moderated - if the moderators think we go too far, then they
will let us know - trust me on this :-)
b) These is such a thing as "bad code" - telling someone that their code is
bad is both critical, and can be helpful. Posting your code here means it is
going to be criticised - hopefully constructively. I believe that is what
Phil's criticism was. Phil provided a solution to help the poster improve
their code, and explained *why* the poster should structure their code that
way. What we don't need is gratuitous criticism that doesn't help the
original poster improve their code. I agree with you - we don't need
gratitous criticism.
c) Somethings are a matter of intepretation - something that might come
across as offensive to you might never have been intended as such by the
original poster. Going off your rocker without clarifying intent with the
original poster is possibly going to start an ugly flame war.
I know that I sound very harsh at times. This is usually caused by the fact
that I answer many posts, on many lists, very quickly (and thus very
bluntly). This bluntness is sometimes taken as "arrogance", or
"dismissiveness" etc, which I never intend. Usually I intend to present
helpful advice to get the poster started, but in as brief a manner as
possible. Additionally, my effort in reply is based on the efforts that the
original poster has made (see my opinion here
www.adopenstatic.com/personal/help.asp) - little effort on the part of the
original poster indicates to me a lack of respect for my time (why is my
time answering/researching someone else's problem less valuable than
theirs?)
I'm sorry that you consider posts such as Phil's or mine as "critical" or
"insulting", but I don't believe that we ever intend that. The alternative
is that we don't answer these questions at all...and that I think would make
for a poorer list. (Though I'm happy to be corrected on this).
Cheers
Ken
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: "JOHN P. PARLATO" <jparlato@m...>
Subject: [asp_web_howto] Re: Response object error 'ASP 0156 : 80004005'
: I'd just like to take a moment to tell you what I think of people like
you,
: that like to be critical and insulting to people
: looking for help. I think your code, if viewed by people with 25 + years
of
: programming and 2 degrees in computer science, could be just as severely
: criticized. Perhaps you should be less prideful, and learn that if you
: choose answer someone's questions here, it doesn't give you any right to
be
: harsh and unkind. I'd love to review your code, and your life and compare
: it to perfection. Unless your name is Jesus, and you've been dead and
: risen, I don't really think you need to be so proud.
:
:
: -----Original Message-----
: From: phil griffiths [mailto:pgtips@m...]
: Subject: [asp_web_howto] Re: Response object error 'ASP 0156 : 80004005'
:
:
: You need to move the ASP code which does the redirect to before the
: opening <html> tag. This is because a redirect is done by sending a
: redirect HTTP header to the client, but if you have already sent HTML to
: the client (which you have because you've put the ASP after the HTML) its
: not possible to go back and amend the header coz its already been sent.
:
: Another solution is to turn buffering on so nothing is sent to the client
: until you tell it to. But I wouldn't recommend this approach, it just
: encourages bad coding like yours, LOL
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Message #5 by "phil griffiths" <pgtips@m...> on Mon, 12 Nov 2001 10:56:32
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OK, my intention was merely to end the post on a humorous note.
Unfortunately the only thing I could think of at the time was at Derek's
expense - for which I have already apologised to him. Next time I will
just post and forget the bad jokes.
Having said that, its a bit over-the-top to rant on making assumptions
about someone's character and motivations on the basis of a single line.
That's all I'm going to say on the matter.
Phil
> You have a choice to answer a question or not. If you find that you must
> begin or end that response, with a snipe,
> I consider it to be a bit hypocritical to on the one hand offer to help,
and
> on the other take a shot. Simply provide the help or don't .... nuf
said.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:ken@a...]
> Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 7:38 AM
> To: ASP Web HowTo
> Subject: [asp_web_howto] On Posting WAS Re: Response object error 'ASP
> 0156 : 80004005'
>
>
> John,
>
> Personally I don't consider Phil's post to be insulting, or critical. He
> wrote two dozen helpful lines, followed by a single comment right at the
> end, which was suffixed LOL.
>
> Perhaps your anger would be better directed at me, since I posted
something
> far harsher in response to Pat's post. However, whilst (as you say
> correctly) none of us is/are perfect:
>
> a) This list is moderated - if the moderators think we go too far, then
they
> will let us know - trust me on this :-)
>
> b) These is such a thing as "bad code" - telling someone that their code
is
> bad is both critical, and can be helpful. Posting your code here means
it is
> going to be criticised - hopefully constructively. I believe that is what
> Phil's criticism was. Phil provided a solution to help the poster improve
> their code, and explained *why* the poster should structure their code
that
> way. What we don't need is gratuitous criticism that doesn't help the
> original poster improve their code. I agree with you - we don't need
> gratitous criticism.
>
> c) Somethings are a matter of intepretation - something that might come
> across as offensive to you might never have been intended as such by the
> original poster. Going off your rocker without clarifying intent with the
> original poster is possibly going to start an ugly flame war.
>
> I know that I sound very harsh at times. This is usually caused by the
fact
> that I answer many posts, on many lists, very quickly (and thus very
> bluntly). This bluntness is sometimes taken as "arrogance", or
> "dismissiveness" etc, which I never intend. Usually I intend to present
> helpful advice to get the poster started, but in as brief a manner as
> possible. Additionally, my effort in reply is based on the efforts that
the
> original poster has made (see my opinion here
> www.adopenstatic.com/personal/help.asp) - little effort on the part of
the
> original poster indicates to me a lack of respect for my time (why is my
> time answering/researching someone else's problem less valuable than
> theirs?)
>
> I'm sorry that you consider posts such as Phil's or mine as "critical" or
> "insulting", but I don't believe that we ever intend that. The
alternative
> is that we don't answer these questions at all...and that I think would
make
> for a poorer list. (Though I'm happy to be corrected on this).
>
> Cheers
> Ken
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> From: "JOHN P. PARLATO" <jparlato@m...>
> Subject: [asp_web_howto] Re: Response object error 'ASP 0156 : 80004005'
>
>
> : I'd just like to take a moment to tell you what I think of people like
> you,
> : that like to be critical and insulting to people
> : looking for help. I think your code, if viewed by people with 25 +
years
> of
> : programming and 2 degrees in computer science, could be just as
severely
> : criticized. Perhaps you should be less prideful, and learn that if you
> : choose answer someone's questions here, it doesn't give you any right
to
> be
> : harsh and unkind. I'd love to review your code, and your life and
compare
> : it to perfection. Unless your name is Jesus, and you've been dead and
> : risen, I don't really think you need to be so proud.
> :
> :
> : -----Original Message-----
> : From: phil griffiths [mailto:pgtips@m...]
> : Subject: [asp_web_howto] Re: Response object error 'ASP 0156 :
80004005'
> :
> :
> : You need to move the ASP code which does the redirect to before the
> : opening <html> tag. This is because a redirect is done by sending a
> : redirect HTTP header to the client, but if you have already sent HTML
to
> : the client (which you have because you've put the ASP after the HTML)
its
> : not possible to go back and amend the header coz its already been sent.
> :
> : Another solution is to turn buffering on so nothing is sent to the
client
> : until you tell it to. But I wouldn't recommend this approach, it just
> : encourages bad coding like yours, LOL
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
> $subst('Email.Unsub')
>
Message #6 by "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> on Mon, 12 Nov 2001 08:38:33 -0500
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John,
Take a chill pill....
I find it interesting that the only person who has a problem with the post
is you. Phil and Ken have both provided numerous replies, helping quite a
few people. With the "25 Years Experience and 2 Degrees of Computer Science"
that you evidently have, I'm sure you'd agree that there is such a thing a
"Bad Coding". To call coding bad, followed with a LOL seems to me (and
probably most people that read this) like an encouragement to fix bad coding
practice.
As far as Hypocritical goes....
you citizen someone for being critical...
I think the "Moment that you took" to let "us know what you think about
people like us" was wasted. I for one am tired of hearing about this. I
(and I dare say quite a few others) don't really care what you think about
people like us. We enjoy what we do, and try to help others. If I see bad
coding, I'll call it bad. If someone gets offended, then so be it. The
comment wasn't intended to be rude, and I doubt anyone except you say it as
such.
in short-
Not only to we have a choice to respond. You have a choice to post. If you
can't handle some constructive criticism, go buy a book.
Elliott PHD Psychology
just kidding.... (about the Psychology part- well the PHD part too)
:)
-----Original Message-----
From: JOHN P. PARLATO [mailto:jparlato@m...]
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 12:05 AM
To: ASP Web HowTo
Subject: [asp_web_howto] RE: On Posting WAS Re: Response object error
'ASP 0156 : 80004005'
You have a choice to answer a question or not. If you find that you must
begin or end that response, with a snipe,
I consider it to be a bit hypocritical to on the one hand offer to help, and
on the other take a shot. Simply provide the help or don't .... nuf said.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:ken@a...]
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 7:38 AM
To: ASP Web HowTo
Subject: [asp_web_howto] On Posting WAS Re: Response object error 'ASP
0156 : 80004005'
John,
Personally I don't consider Phil's post to be insulting, or critical. He
wrote two dozen helpful lines, followed by a single comment right at the
end, which was suffixed LOL.
Perhaps your anger would be better directed at me, since I posted something
far harsher in response to Pat's post. However, whilst (as you say
correctly) none of us is/are perfect:
a) This list is moderated - if the moderators think we go too far, then they
will let us know - trust me on this :-)
b) These is such a thing as "bad code" - telling someone that their code is
bad is both critical, and can be helpful. Posting your code here means it is
going to be criticised - hopefully constructively. I believe that is what
Phil's criticism was. Phil provided a solution to help the poster improve
their code, and explained *why* the poster should structure their code that
way. What we don't need is gratuitous criticism that doesn't help the
original poster improve their code. I agree with you - we don't need
gratitous criticism.
c) Somethings are a matter of intepretation - something that might come
across as offensive to you might never have been intended as such by the
original poster. Going off your rocker without clarifying intent with the
original poster is possibly going to start an ugly flame war.
I know that I sound very harsh at times. This is usually caused by the fact
that I answer many posts, on many lists, very quickly (and thus very
bluntly). This bluntness is sometimes taken as "arrogance", or
"dismissiveness" etc, which I never intend. Usually I intend to present
helpful advice to get the poster started, but in as brief a manner as
possible. Additionally, my effort in reply is based on the efforts that the
original poster has made (see my opinion here
www.adopenstatic.com/personal/help.asp) - little effort on the part of the
original poster indicates to me a lack of respect for my time (why is my
time answering/researching someone else's problem less valuable than
theirs?)
I'm sorry that you consider posts such as Phil's or mine as "critical" or
"insulting", but I don't believe that we ever intend that. The alternative
is that we don't answer these questions at all...and that I think would make
for a poorer list. (Though I'm happy to be corrected on this).
Cheers
Ken
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: "JOHN P. PARLATO" <jparlato@m...>
Subject: [asp_web_howto] Re: Response object error 'ASP 0156 : 80004005'
: I'd just like to take a moment to tell you what I think of people like
you,
: that like to be critical and insulting to people
: looking for help. I think your code, if viewed by people with 25 + years
of
: programming and 2 degrees in computer science, could be just as severely
: criticized. Perhaps you should be less prideful, and learn that if you
: choose answer someone's questions here, it doesn't give you any right to
be
: harsh and unkind. I'd love to review your code, and your life and compare
: it to perfection. Unless your name is Jesus, and you've been dead and
: risen, I don't really think you need to be so proud.
:
:
: -----Original Message-----
: From: phil griffiths [mailto:pgtips@m...]
: Subject: [asp_web_howto] Re: Response object error 'ASP 0156 : 80004005'
:
:
: You need to move the ASP code which does the redirect to before the
: opening <html> tag. This is because a redirect is done by sending a
: redirect HTTP header to the client, but if you have already sent HTML to
: the client (which you have because you've put the ASP after the HTML) its
: not possible to go back and amend the header coz its already been sent.
:
: Another solution is to turn buffering on so nothing is sent to the client
: until you tell it to. But I wouldn't recommend this approach, it just
: encourages bad coding like yours, LOL
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Message #7 by DEREK TRAN <derekhtran@y...> on Mon, 12 Nov 2001 10:02:49 -0800 (PST)
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Hi Phi,
There is no need to apologize, you guys help me a lot.
I really appreciate for your help.
Thanks,
Derek.
--- phil griffiths <pgtips@m...> wrote:
> OK, my intention was merely to end the post on a
> humorous note.
> Unfortunately the only thing I could think of at the
> time was at Derek's
> expense - for which I have already apologised to
> him. Next time I will
> just post and forget the bad jokes.
>
> Having said that, its a bit over-the-top to rant on
> making assumptions
> about someone's character and motivations on the
> basis of a single line.
>
> That's all I'm going to say on the matter.
> Phil
> > You have a choice to answer a question or not. If
> you find that you must
> > begin or end that response, with a snipe,
> > I consider it to be a bit hypocritical to on the
> one hand offer to help,
> and
> > on the other take a shot. Simply provide the help
> or don't .... nuf
> said.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:ken@a...]
> > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 7:38 AM
> > To: ASP Web HowTo
> > Subject: [asp_web_howto] On Posting WAS Re:
> Response object error 'ASP
> > 0156 : 80004005'
> >
> >
> > John,
> >
> > Personally I don't consider Phil's post to be
> insulting, or critical. He
> > wrote two dozen helpful lines, followed by a
> single comment right at the
> > end, which was suffixed LOL.
> >
> > Perhaps your anger would be better directed at me,
> since I posted
> something
> > far harsher in response to Pat's post. However,
> whilst (as you say
> > correctly) none of us is/are perfect:
> >
> > a) This list is moderated - if the moderators
> think we go too far, then
> they
> > will let us know - trust me on this :-)
> >
> > b) These is such a thing as "bad code" - telling
> someone that their code
> is
> > bad is both critical, and can be helpful. Posting
> your code here means
> it is
> > going to be criticised - hopefully constructively.
> I believe that is what
> > Phil's criticism was. Phil provided a solution to
> help the poster improve
> > their code, and explained *why* the poster should
> structure their code
> that
> > way. What we don't need is gratuitous criticism
> that doesn't help the
> > original poster improve their code. I agree with
> you - we don't need
> > gratitous criticism.
> >
> > c) Somethings are a matter of intepretation -
> something that might come
> > across as offensive to you might never have been
> intended as such by the
> > original poster. Going off your rocker without
> clarifying intent with the
> > original poster is possibly going to start an ugly
> flame war.
> >
> > I know that I sound very harsh at times. This is
> usually caused by the
> fact
> > that I answer many posts, on many lists, very
> quickly (and thus very
> > bluntly). This bluntness is sometimes taken as
> "arrogance", or
> > "dismissiveness" etc, which I never intend.
> Usually I intend to present
> > helpful advice to get the poster started, but in
> as brief a manner as
> > possible. Additionally, my effort in reply is
> based on the efforts that
> the
> > original poster has made (see my opinion here
> > www.adopenstatic.com/personal/help.asp) - little
> effort on the part of
> the
> > original poster indicates to me a lack of respect
> for my time (why is my
> > time answering/researching someone else's problem
> less valuable than
> > theirs?)
> >
> > I'm sorry that you consider posts such as Phil's
> or mine as "critical" or
> > "insulting", but I don't believe that we ever
> intend that. The
> alternative
> > is that we don't answer these questions at
> all...and that I think would
> make
> > for a poorer list. (Though I'm happy to be
> corrected on this).
> >
> > Cheers
> > Ken
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > From: "JOHN P. PARLATO" <jparlato@m...>
> > Subject: [asp_web_howto] Re: Response object error
> 'ASP 0156 : 80004005'
> >
> >
> > : I'd just like to take a moment to tell you what
> I think of people like
> > you,
> > : that like to be critical and insulting to people
> > : looking for help. I think your code, if viewed
> by people with 25 +
> years
> > of
> > : programming and 2 degrees in computer science,
> could be just as
> severely
> > : criticized. Perhaps you should be less
> prideful, and learn that if you
> > : choose answer someone's questions here, it
> doesn't give you any right
> to
> > be
> > : harsh and unkind. I'd love to review your code,
> and your life and
> compare
> > : it to perfection. Unless your name is Jesus,
> and you've been dead and
> > : risen, I don't really think you need to be so
> proud.
> > :
> > :
> > : -----Original Message-----
> > : From: phil griffiths
> [mailto:pgtips@m...]
> > : Subject: [asp_web_howto] Re: Response object
> error 'ASP 0156 :
> 80004005'
> > :
> > :
> > : You need to move the ASP code which does the
> redirect to before the
> > : opening <html> tag. This is because a redirect
> is done by sending a
> > : redirect HTTP header to the client, but if you
> have already sent HTML
> to
> > : the client (which you have because you've put
> the ASP after the HTML)
> its
> > : not possible to go back and amend the header coz
> its already been sent.
> > :
> > : Another solution is to turn buffering on so
> nothing is sent to the
> client
> > : until you tell it to. But I wouldn't recommend
> this approach, it just
> > : encourages bad coding like yours, LOL
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> >
> jparlato@m...
> > $subst('Email.Unsub')
> >
>
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Message #8 by nusrat sarwar <nusratsarwar@y...> on Mon, 12 Nov 2001 10:50:30 -0800 (PST)
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Hi all
I am getting sick of it
I am totly agree with Elliott "PHD Psychology"
and being educated and civil we should stop this
nonsence
One should be thankful rather then a ...........
regards
--- "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...>
wrote:
> John,
> Take a chill pill....
>
> I find it interesting that the only person who has a
> problem with the post
> is you. Phil and Ken have both provided numerous
> replies, helping quite a
> few people. With the "25 Years Experience and 2
> Degrees of Computer Science"
> that you evidently have, I'm sure you'd agree that
> there is such a thing a
> "Bad Coding". To call coding bad, followed with a
> LOL seems to me (and
> probably most people that read this) like an
> encouragement to fix bad coding
> practice.
>
> As far as Hypocritical goes....
> you citizen someone for being critical...
>
> I think the "Moment that you took" to let "us know
> what you think about
> people like us" was wasted. I for one am tired of
> hearing about this. I
> (and I dare say quite a few others) don't really
> care what you think about
> people like us. We enjoy what we do, and try to help
> others. If I see bad
> coding, I'll call it bad. If someone gets offended,
> then so be it. The
> comment wasn't intended to be rude, and I doubt
> anyone except you say it as
> such.
>
> in short-
> Not only to we have a choice to respond. You have a
> choice to post. If you
> can't handle some constructive criticism, go buy a
> book.
>
>
>
>
> Elliott PHD Psychology
> just kidding.... (about the Psychology part- well
> the PHD part too)
> :)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JOHN P. PARLATO
> [mailto:jparlato@m...]
> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 12:05 AM
> To: ASP Web HowTo
> Subject: [asp_web_howto] RE: On Posting WAS Re:
> Response object error
> 'ASP 0156 : 80004005'
>
>
> You have a choice to answer a question or not. If
> you find that you must
> begin or end that response, with a snipe,
> I consider it to be a bit hypocritical to on the one
> hand offer to help, and
> on the other take a shot. Simply provide the help
> or don't .... nuf said.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:ken@a...]
> Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 7:38 AM
> To: ASP Web HowTo
> Subject: [asp_web_howto] On Posting WAS Re: Response
> object error 'ASP
> 0156 : 80004005'
>
>
> John,
>
> Personally I don't consider Phil's post to be
> insulting, or critical. He
> wrote two dozen helpful lines, followed by a single
> comment right at the
> end, which was suffixed LOL.
>
> Perhaps your anger would be better directed at me,
> since I posted something
> far harsher in response to Pat's post. However,
> whilst (as you say
> correctly) none of us is/are perfect:
>
> a) This list is moderated - if the moderators think
> we go too far, then they
> will let us know - trust me on this :-)
>
> b) These is such a thing as "bad code" - telling
> someone that their code is
> bad is both critical, and can be helpful. Posting
> your code here means it is
> going to be criticised - hopefully constructively. I
> believe that is what
> Phil's criticism was. Phil provided a solution to
> help the poster improve
> their code, and explained *why* the poster should
> structure their code that
> way. What we don't need is gratuitous criticism that
> doesn't help the
> original poster improve their code. I agree with you
> - we don't need
> gratitous criticism.
>
> c) Somethings are a matter of intepretation -
> something that might come
> across as offensive to you might never have been
> intended as such by the
> original poster. Going off your rocker without
> clarifying intent with the
> original poster is possibly going to start an ugly
> flame war.
>
> I know that I sound very harsh at times. This is
> usually caused by the fact
> that I answer many posts, on many lists, very
> quickly (and thus very
> bluntly). This bluntness is sometimes taken as
> "arrogance", or
> "dismissiveness" etc, which I never intend. Usually
> I intend to present
> helpful advice to get the poster started, but in as
> brief a manner as
> possible. Additionally, my effort in reply is based
> on the efforts that the
> original poster has made (see my opinion here
> www.adopenstatic.com/personal/help.asp) - little
> effort on the part of the
> original poster indicates to me a lack of respect
> for my time (why is my
> time answering/researching someone else's problem
> less valuable than
> theirs?)
>
> I'm sorry that you consider posts such as Phil's or
> mine as "critical" or
> "insulting", but I don't believe that we ever intend
> that. The alternative
> is that we don't answer these questions at all...and
> that I think would make
> for a poorer list. (Though I'm happy to be corrected
> on this).
>
> Cheers
> Ken
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> From: "JOHN P. PARLATO" <jparlato@m...>
> Subject: [asp_web_howto] Re: Response object error
> 'ASP 0156 : 80004005'
>
>
> : I'd just like to take a moment to tell you what I
> think of people like
> you,
> : that like to be critical and insulting to people
> : looking for help. I think your code, if viewed by
> people with 25 + years
> of
> : programming and 2 degrees in computer science,
> could be just as severely
> : criticized. Perhaps you should be less prideful,
> and learn that if you
> : choose answer someone's questions here, it doesn't
> give you any right to
> be
> : harsh and unkind. I'd love to review your code,
> and your life and compare
> : it to perfection. Unless your name is Jesus, and
> you've been dead and
> : risen, I don't really think you need to be so
> proud.
> :
> :
> : -----Original Message-----
> : From: phil griffiths
> [mailto:pgtips@m...]
> : Subject: [asp_web_howto] Re: Response object error
> 'ASP 0156 : 80004005'
> :
> :
> : You need to move the ASP code which does the
> redirect to before the
> : opening <html> tag. This is because a redirect is
> done by sending a
> : redirect HTTP header to the client, but if you
> have already sent HTML to
> : the client (which you have because you've put the
> ASP after the HTML) its
> : not possible to go back and amend the header coz
> its already been sent.
> :
> : Another solution is to turn buffering on so
> nothing is sent to the client
> : until you tell it to. But I wouldn't recommend
> this approach, it just
>
=== message truncated ===
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Message #9 by nusrat sarwar <nusratsarwar@y...> on Mon, 12 Nov 2001 10:57:28 -0800 (PST)
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you dont have to say that
it was nothing .
its natural and we should have guts to accept little
harmless jokes
regards
--- phil griffiths <pgtips@m...> wrote:
> OK, my intention was merely to end the post on a
> humorous note.
> Unfortunately the only thing I could think of at the
> time was at Derek's
> expense - for which I have already apologised to
> him. Next time I will
> just post and forget the bad jokes.
>
> Having said that, its a bit over-the-top to rant on
> making assumptions
> about someone's character and motivations on the
> basis of a single line.
>
> That's all I'm going to say on the matter.
> Phil
> > You have a choice to answer a question or not. If
> you find that you must
> > begin or end that response, with a snipe,
> > I consider it to be a bit hypocritical to on the
> one hand offer to help,
> and
> > on the other take a shot. Simply provide the help
> or don't .... nuf
> said.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:ken@a...]
> > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 7:38 AM
> > To: ASP Web HowTo
> > Subject: [asp_web_howto] On Posting WAS Re:
> Response object error 'ASP
> > 0156 : 80004005'
> >
> >
> > John,
> >
> > Personally I don't consider Phil's post to be
> insulting, or critical. He
> > wrote two dozen helpful lines, followed by a
> single comment right at the
> > end, which was suffixed LOL.
> >
> > Perhaps your anger would be better directed at me,
> since I posted
> something
> > far harsher in response to Pat's post. However,
> whilst (as you say
> > correctly) none of us is/are perfect:
> >
> > a) This list is moderated - if the moderators
> think we go too far, then
> they
> > will let us know - trust me on this :-)
> >
> > b) These is such a thing as "bad code" - telling
> someone that their code
> is
> > bad is both critical, and can be helpful. Posting
> your code here means
> it is
> > going to be criticised - hopefully constructively.
> I believe that is what
> > Phil's criticism was. Phil provided a solution to
> help the poster improve
> > their code, and explained *why* the poster should
> structure their code
> that
> > way. What we don't need is gratuitous criticism
> that doesn't help the
> > original poster improve their code. I agree with
> you - we don't need
> > gratitous criticism.
> >
> > c) Somethings are a matter of intepretation -
> something that might come
> > across as offensive to you might never have been
> intended as such by the
> > original poster. Going off your rocker without
> clarifying intent with the
> > original poster is possibly going to start an ugly
> flame war.
> >
> > I know that I sound very harsh at times. This is
> usually caused by the
> fact
> > that I answer many posts, on many lists, very
> quickly (and thus very
> > bluntly). This bluntness is sometimes taken as
> "arrogance", or
> > "dismissiveness" etc, which I never intend.
> Usually I intend to present
> > helpful advice to get the poster started, but in
> as brief a manner as
> > possible. Additionally, my effort in reply is
> based on the efforts that
> the
> > original poster has made (see my opinion here
> > www.adopenstatic.com/personal/help.asp) - little
> effort on the part of
> the
> > original poster indicates to me a lack of respect
> for my time (why is my
> > time answering/researching someone else's problem
> less valuable than
> > theirs?)
> >
> > I'm sorry that you consider posts such as Phil's
> or mine as "critical" or
> > "insulting", but I don't believe that we ever
> intend that. The
> alternative
> > is that we don't answer these questions at
> all...and that I think would
> make
> > for a poorer list. (Though I'm happy to be
> corrected on this).
> >
> > Cheers
> > Ken
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > From: "JOHN P. PARLATO" <jparlato@m...>
> > Subject: [asp_web_howto] Re: Response object error
> 'ASP 0156 : 80004005'
> >
> >
> > : I'd just like to take a moment to tell you what
> I think of people like
> > you,
> > : that like to be critical and insulting to people
> > : looking for help. I think your code, if viewed
> by people with 25 +
> years
> > of
> > : programming and 2 degrees in computer science,
> could be just as
> severely
> > : criticized. Perhaps you should be less
> prideful, and learn that if you
> > : choose answer someone's questions here, it
> doesn't give you any right
> to
> > be
> > : harsh and unkind. I'd love to review your code,
> and your life and
> compare
> > : it to perfection. Unless your name is Jesus,
> and you've been dead and
> > : risen, I don't really think you need to be so
> proud.
> > :
> > :
> > : -----Original Message-----
> > : From: phil griffiths
> [mailto:pgtips@m...]
> > : Subject: [asp_web_howto] Re: Response object
> error 'ASP 0156 :
> 80004005'
> > :
> > :
> > : You need to move the ASP code which does the
> redirect to before the
> > : opening <html> tag. This is because a redirect
> is done by sending a
> > : redirect HTTP header to the client, but if you
> have already sent HTML
> to
> > : the client (which you have because you've put
> the ASP after the HTML)
> its
> > : not possible to go back and amend the header coz
> its already been sent.
> > :
> > : Another solution is to turn buffering on so
> nothing is sent to the
> client
> > : until you tell it to. But I wouldn't recommend
> this approach, it just
> > : encourages bad coding like yours, LOL
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> >
> jparlato@m...
> > $subst('Email.Unsub')
> >
>
> nusratsarwar@y...
> $subst('Email.Unsub')
>
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Message #10 by "JOHN P. PARLATO" <jparlato@m...> on Tue, 13 Nov 2001 22:34:21 -0500
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Well, your the only one yapping now - I'll speak whenever I have something
to say. Thats why I spent 8 years
in Vietnam and in other service to make sure I had I right to speak.. If you
don't like it, I can't help you.
You may note however, your the only one yapping now.
-----Original Message-----
From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 8:39 AM
To: ASP Web HowTo
Subject: [asp_web_howto] RE: On Posting WAS Re: Response object error
'ASP 0156 : 80004005'
John,
Take a chill pill....
I find it interesting that the only person who has a problem with the post
is you. Phil and Ken have both provided numerous replies, helping quite a
few people. With the "25 Years Experience and 2 Degrees of Computer Science"
that you evidently have, I'm sure you'd agree that there is such a thing a
"Bad Coding". To call coding bad, followed with a LOL seems to me (and
probably most people that read this) like an encouragement to fix bad coding
practice.
As far as Hypocritical goes....
you citizen someone for being critical...
I think the "Moment that you took" to let "us know what you think about
people like us" was wasted. I for one am tired of hearing about this. I
(and I dare say quite a few others) don't really care what you think about
people like us. We enjoy what we do, and try to help others. If I see bad
coding, I'll call it bad. If someone gets offended, then so be it. The
comment wasn't intended to be rude, and I doubt anyone except you say it as
such.
in short-
Not only to we have a choice to respond. You have a choice to post. If you
can't handle some constructive criticism, go buy a book.
Elliott PHD Psychology
just kidding.... (about the Psychology part- well the PHD part too)
:)
-----Original Message-----
From: JOHN P. PARLATO [mailto:jparlato@m...]
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 12:05 AM
To: ASP Web HowTo
Subject: [asp_web_howto] RE: On Posting WAS Re: Response object error
'ASP 0156 : 80004005'
You have a choice to answer a question or not. If you find that you must
begin or end that response, with a snipe,
I consider it to be a bit hypocritical to on the one hand offer to help, and
on the other take a shot. Simply provide the help or don't .... nuf said.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:ken@a...]
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 7:38 AM
To: ASP Web HowTo
Subject: [asp_web_howto] On Posting WAS Re: Response object error 'ASP
0156 : 80004005'
John,
Personally I don't consider Phil's post to be insulting, or critical. He
wrote two dozen helpful lines, followed by a single comment right at the
end, which was suffixed LOL.
Perhaps your anger would be better directed at me, since I posted something
far harsher in response to Pat's post. However, whilst (as you say
correctly) none of us is/are perfect:
a) This list is moderated - if the moderators think we go too far, then they
will let us know - trust me on this :-)
b) These is such a thing as "bad code" - telling someone that their code is
bad is both critical, and can be helpful. Posting your code here means it is
going to be criticised - hopefully constructively. I believe that is what
Phil's criticism was. Phil provided a solution to help the poster improve
their code, and explained *why* the poster should structure their code that
way. What we don't need is gratuitous criticism that doesn't help the
original poster improve their code. I agree with you - we don't need
gratitous criticism.
c) Somethings are a matter of intepretation - something that might come
across as offensive to you might never have been intended as such by the
original poster. Going off your rocker without clarifying intent with the
original poster is possibly going to start an ugly flame war.
I know that I sound very harsh at times. This is usually caused by the fact
that I answer many posts, on many lists, very quickly (and thus very
bluntly). This bluntness is sometimes taken as "arrogance", or
"dismissiveness" etc, which I never intend. Usually I intend to present
helpful advice to get the poster started, but in as brief a manner as
possible. Additionally, my effort in reply is based on the efforts that the
original poster has made (see my opinion here
www.adopenstatic.com/personal/help.asp) - little effort on the part of the
original poster indicates to me a lack of respect for my time (why is my
time answering/researching someone else's problem less valuable than
theirs?)
I'm sorry that you consider posts such as Phil's or mine as "critical" or
"insulting", but I don't believe that we ever intend that. The alternative
is that we don't answer these questions at all...and that I think would make
for a poorer list. (Though I'm happy to be corrected on this).
Cheers
Ken
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: "JOHN P. PARLATO" <jparlato@m...>
Subject: [asp_web_howto] Re: Response object error 'ASP 0156 : 80004005'
: I'd just like to take a moment to tell you what I think of people like
you,
: that like to be critical and insulting to people
: looking for help. I think your code, if viewed by people with 25 + years
of
: programming and 2 degrees in computer science, could be just as severely
: criticized. Perhaps you should be less prideful, and learn that if you
: choose answer someone's questions here, it doesn't give you any right to
be
: harsh and unkind. I'd love to review your code, and your life and compare
: it to perfection. Unless your name is Jesus, and you've been dead and
: risen, I don't really think you need to be so proud.
:
:
: -----Original Message-----
: From: phil griffiths [mailto:pgtips@m...]
: Subject: [asp_web_howto] Re: Response object error 'ASP 0156 : 80004005'
:
:
: You need to move the ASP code which does the redirect to before the
: opening <html> tag. This is because a redirect is done by sending a
: redirect HTTP header to the client, but if you have already sent HTML to
: the client (which you have because you've put the ASP after the HTML) its
: not possible to go back and amend the header coz its already been sent.
:
: Another solution is to turn buffering on so nothing is sent to the client
: until you tell it to. But I wouldn't recommend this approach, it just
: encourages bad coding like yours, LOL
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
$subst('Email.Unsub')
emohara@k...
$subst('Email.Unsub')
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Message #11 by "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> on Wed, 14 Nov 2001 06:01:55 -0500
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SELECT * from tblB--S---
WHERE txtExperiance LIKE '
25 Years Programming experiance,
2 Degrees in computer science, and
8 Years in Vietnam and in other service'
Results of above query posted below...
-----Original Message-----
From: JOHN P. PARLATO [mailto:jparlato@m...]
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 10:34 PM
To: ASP Web HowTo
Subject: [asp_web_howto] RE: On Posting WAS Re: Response object error
'ASP 0156 : 80004005'
Well, your the only one yapping now - I'll speak whenever I have something
to say. Thats why I spent 8 years
in Vietnam and in other service to make sure I had I right to speak.. If you
don't like it, I can't help you.
You may note however, your the only one yapping now.
-----Original Message-----
From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 8:39 AM
To: ASP Web HowTo
Subject: [asp_web_howto] RE: On Posting WAS Re: Response object error
'ASP 0156 : 80004005'
John,
Take a chill pill....
I find it interesting that the only person who has a problem with the post
is you. Phil and Ken have both provided numerous replies, helping quite a
few people. With the "25 Years Experience and 2 Degrees of Computer Science"
that you evidently have, I'm sure you'd agree that there is such a thing a
"Bad Coding". To call coding bad, followed with a LOL seems to me (and
probably most people that read this) like an encouragement to fix bad coding
practice.
As far as Hypocritical goes....
you citizen someone for being critical...
I think the "Moment that you took" to let "us know what you think about
people like us" was wasted. I for one am tired of hearing about this. I
(and I dare say quite a few others) don't really care what you think about
people like us. We enjoy what we do, and try to help others. If I see bad
coding, I'll call it bad. If someone gets offended, then so be it. The
comment wasn't intended to be rude, and I doubt anyone except you say it as
such.
in short-
Not only to we have a choice to respond. You have a choice to post. If you
can't handle some constructive criticism, go buy a book.
Elliott PHD Psychology
just kidding.... (about the Psychology part- well the PHD part too)
:)
-----Original Message-----
From: JOHN P. PARLATO [mailto:jparlato@m...]
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 12:05 AM
To: ASP Web HowTo
Subject: [asp_web_howto] RE: On Posting WAS Re: Response object error
'ASP 0156 : 80004005'
You have a choice to answer a question or not. If you find that you must
begin or end that response, with a snipe,
I consider it to be a bit hypocritical to on the one hand offer to help, and
on the other take a shot. Simply provide the help or don't .... nuf said.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:ken@a...]
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 7:38 AM
To: ASP Web HowTo
Subject: [asp_web_howto] On Posting WAS Re: Response object error 'ASP
0156 : 80004005'
John,
Personally I don't consider Phil's post to be insulting, or critical. He
wrote two dozen helpful lines, followed by a single comment right at the
end, which was suffixed LOL.
Perhaps your anger would be better directed at me, since I posted something
far harsher in response to Pat's post. However, whilst (as you say
correctly) none of us is/are perfect:
a) This list is moderated - if the moderators think we go too far, then they
will let us know - trust me on this :-)
b) These is such a thing as "bad code" - telling someone that their code is
bad is both critical, and can be helpful. Posting your code here means it is
going to be criticised - hopefully constructively. I believe that is what
Phil's criticism was. Phil provided a solution to help the poster improve
their code, and explained *why* the poster should structure their code that
way. What we don't need is gratuitous criticism that doesn't help the
original poster improve their code. I agree with you - we don't need
gratitous criticism.
c) Somethings are a matter of intepretation - something that might come
across as offensive to you might never have been intended as such by the
original poster. Going off your rocker without clarifying intent with the
original poster is possibly going to start an ugly flame war.
I know that I sound very harsh at times. This is usually caused by the fact
that I answer many posts, on many lists, very quickly (and thus very
bluntly). This bluntness is sometimes taken as "arrogance", or
"dismissiveness" etc, which I never intend. Usually I intend to present
helpful advice to get the poster started, but in as brief a manner as
possible. Additionally, my effort in reply is based on the efforts that the
original poster has made (see my opinion here
www.adopenstatic.com/personal/help.asp) - little effort on the part of the
original poster indicates to me a lack of respect for my time (why is my
time answering/researching someone else's problem less valuable than
theirs?)
I'm sorry that you consider posts such as Phil's or mine as "critical" or
"insulting", but I don't believe that we ever intend that. The alternative
is that we don't answer these questions at all...and that I think would make
for a poorer list. (Though I'm happy to be corrected on this).
Cheers
Ken
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: "JOHN P. PARLATO" <jparlato@m...>
Subject: [asp_web_howto] Re: Response object error 'ASP 0156 : 80004005'
: I'd just like to take a moment to tell you what I think of people like
you,
: that like to be critical and insulting to people
: looking for help. I think your code, if viewed by people with 25 + years
of
: programming and 2 degrees in computer science, could be just as severely
: criticized. Perhaps you should be less prideful, and learn that if you
: choose answer someone's questions here, it doesn't give you any right to
be
: harsh and unkind. I'd love to review your code, and your life and compare
: it to perfection. Unless your name is Jesus, and you've been dead and
: risen, I don't really think you need to be so proud.
:
:
: -----Original Message-----
: From: phil griffiths [mailto:pgtips@m...]
: Subject: [asp_web_howto] Re: Response object error 'ASP 0156 : 80004005'
:
:
: You need to move the ASP code which does the redirect to before the
: opening <html> tag. This is because a redirect is done by sending a
: redirect HTTP header to the client, but if you have already sent HTML to
: the client (which you have because you've put the ASP after the HTML) its
: not possible to go back and amend the header coz its already been sent.
:
: Another solution is to turn buffering on so nothing is sent to the client
: until you tell it to. But I wouldn't recommend this approach, it just
: encourages bad coding like yours, LOL
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
$subst('Email.Unsub')
emohara@k...
$subst('Email.Unsub')
$subst('Email.Unsub')
emohara@k...
$subst('Email.Unsub')
Message #12 by Abdel.Ramli@w... on Wed, 14 Nov 2001 13:12:13 +0200
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It is really a shame guys,
Get back to coding and stop wasting your time, or just create a thread
in
another list.
There is no room for this here.
-----Message d'origine-----
De: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]
Date: mercredi 14 novembre 2001 12:02
=C0: ASP Web HowTo
Objet: [asp_web_howto] RE: On Posting WAS Re: Response object error
'ASP
0156 : 80004005'
SELECT * from tblB--S---
WHERE txtExperiance LIKE '
25 Years Programming experiance,
2 Degrees in computer science, and
8 Years in Vietnam and in other service'
Results of above query posted below...
-----Original Message-----
From: JOHN P. PARLATO [mailto:jparlato@m...]
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 10:34 PM
To: ASP Web HowTo
Subject: [asp_web_howto] RE: On Posting WAS Re: Response object error
'ASP 0156 : 80004005'
Well, your the only one yapping now - I'll speak whenever I have
something
to say. Thats why I spent 8 years
in Vietnam and in other service to make sure I had I right to speak..
If you
don't like it, I can't help you.
You may note however, your the only one yapping now.
-----Original Message-----
From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 8:39 AM
To: ASP Web HowTo
Subject: [asp_web_howto] RE: On Posting WAS Re: Response object error
'ASP 0156 : 80004005'
John,
Take a chill pill....
I find it interesting that the only person who has a problem with the
post
is you. Phil and Ken have both provided numerous replies, helping quite
a
few people. With the "25 Years Experience and 2 Degrees of Computer
Science"
that you evidently have, I'm sure you'd agree that there is such a
thing a
"Bad Coding". To call coding bad, followed with a LOL seems to me (and
probably most people that read this) like an encouragement to fix bad
coding
practice.
As far as Hypocritical goes....
you citizen someone for being critical...
I think the "Moment that you took" to let "us know what you think about
people like us" was wasted. I for one am tired of hearing about this.
I
(and I dare say quite a few others) don't really care what you think
about
people like us. We enjoy what we do, and try to help others. If I see
bad
coding, I'll call it bad. If someone gets offended, then so be it. The
comment wasn't intended to be rude, and I doubt anyone except you say
it as
such.
in short-
Not only to we have a choice to respond. You have a choice to post. If
you
can't handle some constructive criticism, go buy a book.
Elliott PHD Psychology
just kidding.... (about the Psychology part- well the PHD part too)
:)
-----Original Message-----
From: JOHN P. PARLATO [mailto:jparlato@m...]
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 12:05 AM
To: ASP Web HowTo
Subject: [asp_web_howto] RE: On Posting WAS Re: Response object error
'ASP 0156 : 80004005'
You have a choice to answer a question or not. If you find that you
must
begin or end that response, with a snipe,
I consider it to be a bit hypocritical to on the one hand offer to
help, and
on the other take a shot. Simply provide the help or don't .... nuf
said.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:ken@a...]
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 7:38 AM
To: ASP Web HowTo
Subject: [asp_web_howto] On Posting WAS Re: Response object error 'ASP
0156 : 80004005'
John,
Personally I don't consider Phil's post to be insulting, or critical.
He
wrote two dozen helpful lines, followed by a single comment right at
the
end, which was suffixed LOL.
Perhaps your anger would be better directed at me, since I posted
something
far harsher in response to Pat's post. However, whilst (as you say
correctly) none of us is/are perfect:
a) This list is moderated - if the moderators think we go too far, then
they
will let us know - trust me on this :-)
b) These is such a thing as "bad code" - telling someone that their
code is
bad is both critical, and can be helpful. Posting your code here means
it is
going to be criticised - hopefully constructively. I believe that is
what
Phil's criticism was. Phil provided a solution to help the poster
improve
their code, and explained *why* the poster should structure their code
that
way. What we don't need is gratuitous criticism that doesn't help the
original poster improve their code. I agree with you - we don't need
gratitous criticism.
c) Somethings are a matter of intepretation - something that might come
across as offensive to you might never have been intended as such by
the
original poster. Going off your rocker without clarifying intent with
the
original poster is possibly going to start an ugly flame war.
I know that I sound very harsh at times. This is usually caused by the
fact
that I answer many posts, on many lists, very quickly (and thus very
bluntly). This bluntness is sometimes taken as "arrogance", or
"dismissiveness" etc, which I never intend. Usually I intend to present
helpful advice to get the poster started, but in as brief a manner as
possible. Additionally, my effort in reply is based on the efforts that
the
original poster has made (see my opinion here
www.adopenstatic.com/personal/help.asp) - little effort on the part of
the
original poster indicates to me a lack of respect for my time (why is
my
time answering/researching someone else's problem less valuable than
theirs?)
I'm sorry that you consider posts such as Phil's or mine as "critical"
or
"insulting", but I don't believe that we ever intend that. The
alternative
is that we don't answer these questions at all...and that I think would
make
for a poorer list. (Though I'm happy to be corrected on this).
Cheers
Ken
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: "JOHN P. PARLATO" <jparlato@m...>
Subject: [asp_web_howto] Re: Response object error 'ASP 0156 :
80004005'
: I'd just like to take a moment to tell you what I think of people
like
you,
: that like to be critical and insulting to people
: looking for help. I think your code, if viewed by people with 25 +
years
of
: programming and 2 degrees in computer science, could be just as
severely
: criticized. Perhaps you should be less prideful, and learn that if
you
: choose answer someone's questions here, it doesn't give you any right
to
be
: harsh and unkind. I'd love to review your code, and your life and
compare
: it to perfection. Unless your name is Jesus, and you've been dead
and
: risen, I don't really think you need to be so proud.
:
:
: -----Original Message-----
: From: phil griffiths [mailto:pgtips@m...]
: Subject: [asp_web_howto] Re: Response object error 'ASP 0156 :
80004005'
:
:
: You need to move the ASP code which does the redirect to before the
: opening <html> tag. This is because a redirect is done by sending a
: redirect HTTP header to the client, but if you have already sent HTML
to
: the client (which you have because you've put the ASP after the HTML)
its
: not possible to go back and amend the header coz its already been
sent.
:
: Another solution is to turn buffering on so nothing is sent to the
client
: until you tell it to. But I wouldn't recommend this approach, it just
: encourages bad coding like yours, LOL
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Message #13 by "Alex Shiell, ITS, EC, SE" <alex.shiell@s...> on Wed, 14 Nov 2001 11:13:48 -0000
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Give it a rest lads! We're meant to be helping each other here
-----Original Message-----
From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]
Sent: 14 November 2001 11:02
To: ASP Web HowTo
Subject: [asp_web_howto] RE: On Posting WAS Re: Response object error
'ASP 0156 : 80004005'
SELECT * from tblB--S---
WHERE txtExperiance LIKE '
25 Years Programming experiance,
2 Degrees in computer science, and
8 Years in Vietnam and in other service'
Results of above query posted below...
-----Original Message-----
From: JOHN P. PARLATO [mailto:jparlato@m...]
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 10:34 PM
To: ASP Web HowTo
Subject: [asp_web_howto] RE: On Posting WAS Re: Response object error
'ASP 0156 : 80004005'
Well, your the only one yapping now - I'll speak whenever I have something
to say. Thats why I spent 8 years
in Vietnam and in other service to make sure I had I right to speak.. If you
don't like it, I can't help you.
You may note however, your the only one yapping now.
-----Original Message-----
From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 8:39 AM
To: ASP Web HowTo
Subject: [asp_web_howto] RE: On Posting WAS Re: Response object error
'ASP 0156 : 80004005'
John,
Take a chill pill....
I find it interesting that the only person who has a problem with the post
is you. Phil and Ken have both provided numerous replies, helping quite a
few people. With the "25 Years Experience and 2 Degrees of Computer Science"
that you evidently have, I'm sure you'd agree that there is such a thing a
"Bad Coding". To call coding bad, followed with a LOL seems to me (and
probably most people that read this) like an encouragement to fix bad coding
practice.
As far as Hypocritical goes....
you citizen someone for being critical...
I think the "Moment that you took" to let "us know what you think about
people like us" was wasted. I for one am tired of hearing about this. I
(and I dare say quite a few others) don't really care what you think about
people like us. We enjoy what we do, and try to help others. If I see bad
coding, I'll call it bad. If someone gets offended, then so be it. The
comment wasn't intended to be rude, and I doubt anyone except you say it as
such.
in short-
Not only to we have a choice to respond. You have a choice to post. If you
can't handle some constructive criticism, go buy a book.
Elliott PHD Psychology
just kidding.... (about the Psychology part- well the PHD part too)
:)
-----Original Message-----
From: JOHN P. PARLATO [mailto:jparlato@m...]
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 12:05 AM
To: ASP Web HowTo
Subject: [asp_web_howto] RE: On Posting WAS Re: Response object error
'ASP 0156 : 80004005'
You have a choice to answer a question or not. If you find that you must
begin or end that response, with a snipe,
I consider it to be a bit hypocritical to on the one hand offer to help, and
on the other take a shot. Simply provide the help or don't .... nuf said.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:ken@a...]
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 7:38 AM
To: ASP Web HowTo
Subject: [asp_web_howto] On Posting WAS Re: Response object error 'ASP
0156 : 80004005'
John,
Personally I don't consider Phil's post to be insulting, or critical. He
wrote two dozen helpful lines, followed by a single comment right at the
end, which was suffixed LOL.
Perhaps your anger would be better directed at me, since I posted something
far harsher in response to Pat's post. However, whilst (as you say
correctly) none of us is/are perfect:
a) This list is moderated - if the moderators think we go too far, then they
will let us know - trust me on this :-)
b) These is such a thing as "bad code" - telling someone that their code is
bad is both critical, and can be helpful. Posting your code here means it is
going to be criticised - hopefully constructively. I believe that is what
Phil's criticism was. Phil provided a solution to help the poster improve
their code, and explained *why* the poster should structure their code that
way. What we don't need is gratuitous criticism that doesn't help the
original poster improve their code. I agree with you - we don't need
gratitous criticism.
c) Somethings are a matter of intepretation - something that might come
across as offensive to you might never have been intended as such by the
original poster. Going off your rocker without clarifying intent with the
original poster is possibly going to start an ugly flame war.
I know that I sound very harsh at times. This is usually caused by the fact
that I answer many posts, on many lists, very quickly (and thus very
bluntly). This bluntness is sometimes taken as "arrogance", or
"dismissiveness" etc, which I never intend. Usually I intend to present
helpful advice to get the poster started, but in as brief a manner as
possible. Additionally, my effort in reply is based on the efforts that the
original poster has made (see my opinion here
www.adopenstatic.com/personal/help.asp) - little effort on the part of the
original poster indicates to me a lack of respect for my time (why is my
time answering/researching someone else's problem less valuable than
theirs?)
I'm sorry that you consider posts such as Phil's or mine as "critical" or
"insulting", but I don't believe that we ever intend that. The alternative
is that we don't answer these questions at all...and that I think would make
for a poorer list. (Though I'm happy to be corrected on this).
Cheers
Ken
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: "JOHN P. PARLATO" <jparlato@m...>
Subject: [asp_web_howto] Re: Response object error 'ASP 0156 : 80004005'
: I'd just like to take a moment to tell you what I think of people like
you,
: that like to be critical and insulting to people
: looking for help. I think your code, if viewed by people with 25 + years
of
: programming and 2 degrees in computer science, could be just as severely
: criticized. Perhaps you should be less prideful, and learn that if you
: choose answer someone's questions here, it doesn't give you any right to
be
: harsh and unkind. I'd love to review your code, and your life and compare
: it to perfection. Unless your name is Jesus, and you've been dead and
: risen, I don't really think you need to be so proud.
:
:
: -----Original Message-----
: From: phil griffiths [mailto:pgtips@m...]
: Subject: [asp_web_howto] Re: Response object error 'ASP 0156 : 80004005'
:
:
: You need to move the ASP code which does the redirect to before the
: opening <html> tag. This is because a redirect is done by sending a
: redirect HTTP header to the client, but if you have already sent HTML to
: the client (which you have because you've put the ASP after the HTML) its
: not possible to go back and amend the header coz its already been sent.
:
: Another solution is to turn buffering on so nothing is sent to the client
: until you tell it to. But I wouldn't recommend this approach, it just
: encourages bad coding like yours, LOL
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Message #14 by "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> on Wed, 14 Nov 2001 06:46:06 -0500
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John (and everyone else),
I apologize for the last e-mail, it had nothing to do with this list and I
should not have sent it. Won't happen again.
On a lighter note-
Remeber the SP2 Thread I started? Response.Redirect quit working...
Had to reboot IIS yesterday and had the same problem,
I went and checked Cache ISAPI applications. Fixed it...
so, now (crossed fingers) I'm going to try and install SP2 again and see
what happens.
elliott
-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Shiell, ITS, EC, SE [mailto:alex.shiell@s...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 6:14 AM
To: ASP Web HowTo
Subject: [asp_web_howto] RE: On Posting WAS Re: Response object error
'ASP 0156 : 80004005'
Give it a rest lads! We're meant to be helping each other here
-----Original Message-----
From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]
Sent: 14 November 2001 11:02
To: ASP Web HowTo
Subject: [asp_web_howto] RE: On Posting WAS Re: Response object error
'ASP 0156 : 80004005'
SELECT * from tblB--S---
WHERE txtExperiance LIKE '
25 Years Programming experiance,
2 Degrees in computer science, and
8 Years in Vietnam and in other service'
Results of above query posted below...
-----Original Message-----
From: JOHN P. PARLATO [mailto:jparlato@m...]
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 10:34 PM
To: ASP Web HowTo
Subject: [asp_web_howto] RE: On Posting WAS Re: Response object error
'ASP 0156 : 80004005'
Well, your the only one yapping now - I'll speak whenever I have something
to say. Thats why I spent 8 years
in Vietnam and in other service to make sure I had I right to speak.. If you
don't like it, I can't help you.
You may note however, your the only one yapping now.
-----Original Message-----
From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 8:39 AM
To: ASP Web HowTo
Subject: [asp_web_howto] RE: On Posting WAS Re: Response object error
'ASP 0156 : 80004005'
John,
Take a chill pill....
I find it interesting that the only person who has a problem with the post
is you. Phil and Ken have both provided numerous replies, helping quite a
few people. With the "25 Years Experience and 2 Degrees of Computer Science"
that you evidently have, I'm sure you'd agree that there is such a thing a
"Bad Coding". To call coding bad, followed with a LOL seems to me (and
probably most people that read this) like an encouragement to fix bad coding
practice.
As far as Hypocritical goes....
you citizen someone for being critical...
I think the "Moment that you took" to let "us know what you think about
people like us" was wasted. I for one am tired of hearing about this. I
(and I dare say quite a few others) don't really care what you think about
people like us. We enjoy what we do, and try to help others. If I see bad
coding, I'll call it bad. If someone gets offended, then so be it. The
comment wasn't intended to be rude, and I doubt anyone except you say it as
such.
in short-
Not only to we have a choice to respond. You have a choice to post. If you
can't handle some constructive criticism, go buy a book.
Elliott PHD Psychology
just kidding.... (about the Psychology part- well the PHD part too)
:)
-----Original Message-----
From: JOHN P. PARLATO [mailto:jparlato@m...]
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 12:05 AM
To: ASP Web HowTo
Subject: [asp_web_howto] RE: On Posting WAS Re: Response object error
'ASP 0156 : 80004005'
You have a choice to answer a question or not. If you find that you must
begin or end that response, with a snipe,
I consider it to be a bit hypocritical to on the one hand offer to help, and
on the other take a shot. Simply provide the help or don't .... nuf said.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:ken@a...]
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 7:38 AM
To: ASP Web HowTo
Subject: [asp_web_howto] On Posting WAS Re: Response object error 'ASP
0156 : 80004005'
John,
Personally I don't consider Phil's post to be insulting, or critical. He
wrote two dozen helpful lines, followed by a single comment right at the
end, which was suffixed LOL.
Perhaps your anger would be better directed at me, since I posted something
far harsher in response to Pat's post. However, whilst (as you say
correctly) none of us is/are perfect:
a) This list is moderated - if the moderators think we go too far, then they
will let us know - trust me on this :-)
b) These is such a thing as "bad code" - telling someone that their code is
bad is both critical, and can be helpful. Posting your code here means it is
going to be criticised - hopefully constructively. I believe that is what
Phil's criticism was. Phil provided a solution to help the poster improve
their code, and explained *why* the poster should structure their code that
way. What we don't need is gratuitous criticism that doesn't help the
original poster improve their code. I agree with you - we don't need
gratitous criticism.
c) Somethings are a matter of intepretation - something that might come
across as offensive to you might never have been intended as such by the
original poster. Going off your rocker without clarifying intent with the
original poster is possibly going to start an ugly flame war.
I know that I sound very harsh at times. This is usually caused by the fact
that I answer many posts, on many lists, very quickly (and thus very
bluntly). This bluntness is sometimes taken as "arrogance", or
"dismissiveness" etc, which I never intend. Usually I intend to present
helpful advice to get the poster started, but in as brief a manner as
possible. Additionally, my effort in reply is based on the efforts that the
original poster has made (see my opinion here
www.adopenstatic.com/personal/help.asp) - little effort on the part of the
original poster indicates to me a lack of respect for my time (why is my
time answering/researching someone else's problem less valuable than
theirs?)
I'm sorry that you consider posts such as Phil's or mine as "critical" or
"insulting", but I don't believe that we ever intend that. The alternative
is that we don't answer these questions at all...and that I think would make
for a poorer list. (Though I'm happy to be corrected on this).
Cheers
Ken
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: "JOHN P. PARLATO" <jparlato@m...>
Subject: [asp_web_howto] Re: Response object error 'ASP 0156 : 80004005'
: I'd just like to take a moment to tell you what I think of people like
you,
: that like to be critical and insulting to people
: looking for help. I think your code, if viewed by people with 25 + years
of
: programming and 2 degrees in computer science, could be just as severely
: criticized. Perhaps you should be less prideful, and learn that if you
: choose answer someone's questions here, it doesn't give you any right to
be
: harsh and unkind. I'd love to review your code, and your life and compare
: it to perfection. Unless your name is Jesus, and you've been dead and
: risen, I don't really think you need to be so proud.
:
:
: -----Original Message-----
: From: phil griffiths [mailto:pgtips@m...]
: Subject: [asp_web_howto] Re: Response object error 'ASP 0156 : 80004005'
:
:
: You need to move the ASP code which does the redirect to before the
: opening <html> tag. This is because a redirect is done by sending a
: redirect HTTP header to the client, but if you have already sent HTML to
: the client (which you have because you've put the ASP after the HTML) its
: not possible to go back and amend the header coz its already been sent.
:
: Another solution is to turn buffering on so nothing is sent to the client
: until you tell it to. But I wouldn't recommend this approach, it just
: encourages bad coding like yours, LOL
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Message #15 by "Daniel O'Dorisio" <daniel@o...> on Wed, 14 Nov 2001 07:39:22 -0500
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sure it wasnt possessed:-)j/k
ive got my fingers crossed!!
D
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"O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message
news:119738@a..._web_howto...
>
> John (and everyone else),
> I apologize for the last e-mail, it had nothing to do with this list and I
> should not have sent it. Won't happen again.
>
> On a lighter note-
> Remeber the SP2 Thread I started? Response.Redirect quit working...
> Had to reboot IIS yesterday and had the same problem,
>
> I went and checked Cache ISAPI applications. Fixed it...
>
> so, now (crossed fingers) I'm going to try and install SP2 again and see
> what happens.
>
> elliott
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alex Shiell, ITS, EC, SE [mailto:alex.shiell@s...]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 6:14 AM
> To: ASP Web HowTo
> Subject: [asp_web_howto] RE: On Posting WAS Re: Response object error
> 'ASP 0156 : 80004005'
>
>
> Give it a rest lads! We're meant to be helping each other here
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]
> Sent: 14 November 2001 11:02
> To: ASP Web HowTo
> Subject: [asp_web_howto] RE: On Posting WAS Re: Response object error
> 'ASP 0156 : 80004005'
>
>
> SELECT * from tblB--S---
> WHERE txtExperiance LIKE '
> 25 Years Programming experiance,
> 2 Degrees in computer science, and
> 8 Years in Vietnam and in other service'
>
> Results of above query posted below...
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JOHN P. PARLATO [mailto:jparlato@m...]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 10:34 PM
> To: ASP Web HowTo
> Subject: [asp_web_howto] RE: On Posting WAS Re: Response object error
> 'ASP 0156 : 80004005'
>
>
> Well, your the only one yapping now - I'll speak whenever I have something
> to say. Thats why I spent 8 years
> in Vietnam and in other service to make sure I had I right to speak.. If
you
> don't like it, I can't help you.
> You may note however, your the only one yapping now.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]
> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 8:39 AM
> To: ASP Web HowTo
> Subject: [asp_web_howto] RE: On Posting WAS Re: Response object error
> 'ASP 0156 : 80004005'
>
>
> John,
> Take a chill pill....
>
> I find it interesting that the only person who has a problem with the post
> is you. Phil and Ken have both provided numerous replies, helping quite a
> few people. With the "25 Years Experience and 2 Degrees of Computer
Science"
> that you evidently have, I'm sure you'd agree that there is such a thing a
> "Bad Coding". To call coding bad, followed with a LOL seems to me (and
> probably most people that read this) like an encouragement to fix bad
coding
> practice.
>
> As far as Hypocritical goes....
> you citizen someone for being critical...
>
> I think the "Moment that you took" to let "us know what you think about
> people like us" was wasted. I for one am tired of hearing about this. I
> (and I dare say quite a few others) don't really care what you think about
> people like us. We enjoy what we do, and try to help others. If I see bad
> coding, I'll call it bad. If someone gets offended, then so be it. The
> comment wasn't intended to be rude, and I doubt anyone except you say it
as
> such.
>
> in short-
> Not only to we have a choice to respond. You have a choice to post. If you
> can't handle some constructive criticism, go buy a book.
>
>
>
>
> Elliott PHD Psychology
> just kidding.... (about the Psychology part- well the PHD part too)
> :)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JOHN P. PARLATO [mailto:jparlato@m...]
> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 12:05 AM
> To: ASP Web HowTo
> Subject: [asp_web_howto] RE: On Posting WAS Re: Response object error
> 'ASP 0156 : 80004005'
>
>
> You have a choice to answer a question or not. If you find that you must
> begin or end that response, with a snipe,
> I consider it to be a bit hypocritical to on the one hand offer to help,
and
> on the other take a shot. Simply provide the help or don't .... nuf said.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:ken@a...]
> Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 7:38 AM
> To: ASP Web HowTo
> Subject: [asp_web_howto] On Posting WAS Re: Response object error 'ASP
> 0156 : 80004005'
>
>
> John,
>
> Personally I don't consider Phil's post to be insulting, or critical. He
> wrote two dozen helpful lines, followed by a single comment right at the
> end, which was suffixed LOL.
>
> Perhaps your anger would be better directed at me, since I posted
something
> far harsher in response to Pat's post. However, whilst (as you say
> correctly) none of us is/are perfect:
>
> a) This list is moderated - if the moderators think we go too far, then
they
> will let us know - trust me on this :-)
>
> b) These is such a thing as "bad code" - telling someone that their code
is
> bad is both critical, and can be helpful. Posting your code here means it
is
> going to be criticised - hopefully constructively. I believe that is what
> Phil's criticism was. Phil provided a solution to help the poster improve
> their code, and explained *why* the poster should structure their code
that
> way. What we don't need is gratuitous criticism that doesn't help the
> original poster improve their code. I agree with you - we don't need
> gratitous criticism.
>
> c) Somethings are a matter of intepretation - something that might come
> across as offensive to you might never have been intended as such by the
> original poster. Going off your rocker without clarifying intent with the
> original poster is possibly going to start an ugly flame war.
>
> I know that I sound very harsh at times. This is usually caused by the
fact
> that I answer many posts, on many lists, very quickly (and thus very
> bluntly). This bluntness is sometimes taken as "arrogance", or
> "dismissiveness" etc, which I never intend. Usually I intend to present
> helpful advice to get the poster started, but in as brief a manner as
> possible. Additionally, my effort in reply is based on the efforts that
the
> original poster has made (see my opinion here
> www.adopenstatic.com/personal/help.asp) - little effort on the part of the
> original poster indicates to me a lack of respect for my time (why is my
> time answering/researching someone else's problem less valuable than
> theirs?)
>
> I'm sorry that you consider posts such as Phil's or mine as "critical" or
> "insulting", but I don't believe that we ever intend that. The alternative
> is that we don't answer these questions at all...and that I think would
make
> for a poorer list. (Though I'm happy to be corrected on this).
>
> Cheers
> Ken
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> From: "JOHN P. PARLATO" <jparlato@m...>
> Subject: [asp_web_howto] Re: Response object error 'ASP 0156 : 80004005'
>
>
> : I'd just like to take a moment to tell you what I think of people like
> you,
> : that like to be critical and insulting to people
> : looking for help. I think your code, if viewed by people with 25 +
years
> of
> : programming and 2 degrees in computer science, could be just as severely
> : criticized. Perhaps you should be less prideful, and learn that if you
> : choose answer someone's questions here, it doesn't give you any right to
> be
> : harsh and unkind. I'd love to review your code, and your life and
compare
> : it to perfection. Unless your name is Jesus, and you've been dead and
> : risen, I don't really think you need to be so proud.
> :
> :
> : -----Original Message-----
> : From: phil griffiths [mailto:pgtips@m...]
> : Subject: [asp_web_howto] Re: Response object error 'ASP 0156 : 80004005'
> :
> :
> : You need to move the ASP code which does the redirect to before the
> : opening <html> tag. This is because a redirect is done by sending a
> : redirect HTTP header to the client, but if you have already sent HTML to
> : the client (which you have because you've put the ASP after the HTML)
its
> : not possible to go back and amend the header coz its already been sent.
> :
> : Another solution is to turn buffering on so nothing is sent to the
client
> : until you tell it to. But I wouldn't recommend this approach, it just
> : encourages bad coding like yours, LOL
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Message #16 by "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> on Wed, 14 Nov 2001 07:52:42 -0500
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I'm going to wait until Friday to do it... It took a call (charged to Boeing
of course) to MS Primer Support to figure that out, I really don't have the
energy to do it again today.
But thanks for the fingers crossed.
:-)
-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel O'Dorisio [mailto:daniel@o...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 7:39 AM
To: ASP Web HowTo
Subject: [asp_web_howto] Re: On Posting WAS Re: Response object error
'ASP 0156 : 80004005'
sure it wasnt possessed:-)j/k
ive got my fingers crossed!!
D
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"O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message
news:119738@a..._web_howto...
>
> John (and everyone else),
> I apologize for the last e-mail, it had nothing to do with this list and I
> should not have sent it. Won't happen again.
>
> On a lighter note-
> Remeber the SP2 Thread I started? Response.Redirect quit working...
> Had to reboot IIS yesterday and had the same problem,
>
> I went and checked Cache ISAPI applications. Fixed it...
>
> so, now (crossed fingers) I'm going to try and install SP2 again and see
> what happens.
>
> elliott
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alex Shiell, ITS, EC, SE [mailto:alex.shiell@s...]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 6:14 AM
> To: ASP Web HowTo
> Subject: [asp_web_howto] RE: On Posting WAS Re: Response object error
> 'ASP 0156 : 80004005'
>
>
> Give it a rest lads! We're meant to be helping each other here
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]
> Sent: 14 November 2001 11:02
> To: ASP Web HowTo
> Subject: [asp_web_howto] RE: On Posting WAS Re: Response object error
> 'ASP 0156 : 80004005'
>
>
> SELECT * from tblB--S---
> WHERE txtExperiance LIKE '
> 25 Years Programming experiance,
> 2 Degrees in computer science, and
> 8 Years in Vietnam and in other service'
>
> Results of above query posted below...
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JOHN P. PARLATO [mailto:jparlato@m...]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 10:34 PM
> To: ASP Web HowTo
> Subject: [asp_web_howto] RE: On Posting WAS Re: Response object error
> 'ASP 0156 : 80004005'
>
>
> Well, your the only one yapping now - I'll speak whenever I have something
> to say. Thats why I spent 8 years
> in Vietnam and in other service to make sure I had I right to speak.. If
you
> don't like it, I can't help you.
> You may note however, your the only one yapping now.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]
> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 8:39 AM
> To: ASP Web HowTo
> Subject: [asp_web_howto] RE: On Posting WAS Re: Response object error
> 'ASP 0156 : 80004005'
>
>
> John,
> Take a chill pill....
>
> I find it interesting that the only person who has a problem with the post
> is you. Phil and Ken have both provided numerous replies, helping quite a
> few people. With the "25 Years Experience and 2 Degrees of Computer
Science"
> that you evidently have, I'm sure you'd agree that there is such a thing a
> "Bad Coding". To call coding bad, followed with a LOL seems to me (and
> probably most people that read this) like an encouragement to fix bad
coding
> practice.
>
> As far as Hypocritical goes....
> you citizen someone for being critical...
>
> I think the "Moment that you took" to let "us know what you think about
> people like us" was wasted. I for one am tired of hearing about this. I
> (and I dare say quite a few others) don't really care what you think about
> people like us. We enjoy what we do, and try to help others. If I see bad
> coding, I'll call it bad. If someone gets offended, then so be it. The
> comment wasn't intended to be rude, and I doubt anyone except you say it
as
> such.
>
> in short-
> Not only to we have a choice to respond. You have a choice to post. If you
> can't handle some constructive criticism, go buy a book.
>
>
>
>
> Elliott PHD Psychology
> just kidding.... (about the Psychology part- well the PHD part too)
> :)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JOHN P. PARLATO [mailto:jparlato@m...]
> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 12:05 AM
> To: ASP Web HowTo
> Subject: [asp_web_howto] RE: On Posting WAS Re: Response object error
> 'ASP 0156 : 80004005'
>
>
> You have a choice to answer a question or not. If you find that you must
> begin or end that response, with a snipe,
> I consider it to be a bit hypocritical to on the one hand offer to help,
and
> on the other take a shot. Simply provide the help or don't .... nuf said.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:ken@a...]
> Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 7:38 AM
> To: ASP Web HowTo
> Subject: [asp_web_howto] On Posting WAS Re: Response object error 'ASP
> 0156 : 80004005'
>
>
> John,
>
> Personally I don't consider Phil's post to be insulting, or critical. He
> wrote two dozen helpful lines, followed by a single comment right at the
> end, which was suffixed LOL.
>
> Perhaps your anger would be better directed at me, since I posted
something
> far harsher in response to Pat's post. However, whilst (as you say
> correctly) none of us is/are perfect:
>
> a) This list is moderated - if the moderators think we go too far, then
they
> will let us know - trust me on this :-)
>
> b) These is such a thing as "bad code" - telling someone that their code
is
> bad is both critical, and can be helpful. Posting your code here means it
is
> going to be criticised - hopefully constructively. I believe that is what
> Phil's criticism was. Phil provided a solution to help the poster improve
> their code, and explained *why* the poster should structure their code
that
> way. What we don't need is gratuitous criticism that doesn't help the
> original poster improve their code. I agree with you - we don't need
> gratitous criticism.
>
> c) Somethings are a matter of intepretation - something that might come
> across as offensive to you might never have been intended as such by the
> original poster. Going off your rocker without clarifying intent with the
> original poster is possibly going to start an ugly flame war.
>
> I know that I sound very harsh at times. This is usually caused by the
fact
> that I answer many posts, on many lists, very quickly (and thus very
> bluntly). This bluntness is sometimes taken as "arrogance", or
> "dismissiveness" etc, which I never intend. Usually I intend to present
> helpful advice to get the poster started, but in as brief a manner as
> possible. Additionally, my effort in reply is based on the efforts that
the
> original poster has made (see my opinion here
> www.adopenstatic.com/personal/help.asp) - little effort on the part of the
> original poster indicates to me a lack of respect for my time (why is my
> time answering/researching someone else's problem less valuable than
> theirs?)
>
> I'm sorry that you consider posts such as Phil's or mine as "critical" or
> "insulting", but I don't believe that we ever intend that. The alternative
> is that we don't answer these questions at all...and that I think would
make
> for a poorer list. (Though I'm happy to be corrected on this).
>
> Cheers
> Ken
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> From: "JOHN P. PARLATO" <jparlato@m...>
> Subject: [asp_web_howto] Re: Response object error 'ASP 0156 : 80004005'
>
>
> : I'd just like to take a moment to tell you what I think of people like
> you,
> : that like to be critical and insulting to people
> : looking for help. I think your code, if viewed by people with 25 +
years
> of
> : programming and 2 degrees in computer science, could be just as severely
> : criticized. Perhaps you should be less prideful, and learn that if you
> : choose answer someone's questions here, it doesn't give you any right to
> be
> : harsh and unkind. I'd love to review your code, and your life and
compare
> : it to perfection. Unless your name is Jesus, and you've been dead and
> : risen, I don't really think you need to be so proud.
> :
> :
> : -----Original Message-----
> : From: phil griffiths [mailto:pgtips@m...]
> : Subject: [asp_web_howto] Re: Response object error 'ASP 0156 : 80004005'
> :
> :
> : You need to move the ASP code which does the redirect to before the
> : opening <html> tag. This is because a redirect is done by sending a
> : redirect HTTP header to the client, but if you have already sent HTML to
> : the client (which you have because you've put the ASP after the HTML)
its
> : not possible to go back and amend the header coz its already been sent.
> :
> : Another solution is to turn buffering on so nothing is sent to the
client
> : until you tell it to. But I wouldn't recommend this approach, it just
> : encourages bad coding like yours, LOL
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