I am an experienced Coldfusion programmer, new to ASP. I often used a 

method called FUSEBOX programming which simply used a switch statement and 

INCLUDES to architect a site.



In Coldfusion a CFINCLUDE statement does not get executed before all other 

scripts as does an asp #include. This means that files can be 

programatically included making it easy to separate out functionality and 

layout in multiple files.



I am looking for some system that might be equivalent as I learn ASP. How 

do people architect sites with lots of different pages. Is there no way to 

center a site around the default.asp page, inserting content as needed by 

the logic flow of the application? Where can I find some strategies?



THX!!!

Hi Daniel,



I'm not familiar with Cold Fusion although I have used a product called

Tango which I think is not dissimilar, and have been well used to the

technique of include files!



Writing applications in .net is a very different mindset to

Coldfusion/Tango. The architecture of the entire environment is fully object

orientated. As a result it's possible to create "controls" (like included

bits of HTML) that can do more - for example, attaching code and behaviours

and thus building up an ASP page (or a whole site) from "snippets" of code

wrapped into classes. This could include common functionality and/or

presentation.



The Wrox book "Beginning ASP.Net Using C#" touches on the subject in a later

chapter, I'm quite new to it myself but will be trying out the techniques

over the next few weeks. So while I can point you at some of the ideas, I

can't advise further yet except to say that I found tha above book very

helpful to get started.



Best Regards,

Mark



-----Original Message-----

From: Daniel Newman [mailto:pc@r...]

Sent: 12 December 2001 23:27

To: ASPToday Discuss

Subject: [asptoday_discuss] asp programming methodologies





I am an experienced Coldfusion programmer, new to ASP. I often used a

method called FUSEBOX programming which simply used a switch statement and

INCLUDES to architect a site.



In Coldfusion a CFINCLUDE statement does not get executed before all other

scripts as does an asp #include. This means that files can be

programatically included making it easy to separate out functionality and

layout in multiple files.



I am looking for some system that might be equivalent as I learn ASP. How

do people architect sites with lots of different pages. Is there no way to

center a site around the default.asp page, inserting content as needed by

the logic flow of the application? Where can I find some strategies?



THX!!!

Thanks Mark,



I am eager to move onto to learning asp.net and getting into the object

oriented approach therein.



Unfortunately the client I am working for right now, wants just ASP.



With ASP it doesn't seem easy to use a single page approach -- that I think

is fairly common with Coldfusion. In this approach a single, say index.cfm,

page is hit every time by the user and content is loaded in according to

what variables are passed into the page. The content is loaded with

CFINCLUDE statements. This works well, because CFINCLUDES are not executed

before all other code in Coldfusion as they are in ASP. The problem with ASP

in this area, is that #include s all get run on every page. A Coldfusion

page may have 30 CFINCLUDEs, but only actually execute 1. In ASP, all 30

would run no matter what -- making less than stellar performance for this

sort technique.



So I am using #include s in my ASP application -- but rather than a single

page approach with tons of them, I am using multiple pages-- 1 per each

major block of content. Can't see any other approach, but it's cool.



Anyway, just food for thoughts ...



Am looking forward to ASP.NET though -- let us know it goes for you.



Dan





> Hi Daniel,

>

> I'm not familiar with Cold Fusion although I have used a product called

> Tango which I think is not dissimilar, and have been well used to the

> technique of include files!

>

> Writing applications in .net is a very different mindset to

> Coldfusion/Tango. The architecture of the entire environment is fully

object

> orientated. As a result it's possible to create "controls" (like included

> bits of HTML) that can do more - for example, attaching code and

behaviours

> and thus building up an ASP page (or a whole site) from "snippets" of code

> wrapped into classes. This could include common functionality and/or

> presentation.

>

> The Wrox book "Beginning ASP.Net Using C#" touches on the subject in a

later

> chapter, I'm quite new to it myself but will be trying out the techniques

> over the next few weeks. So while I can point you at some of the ideas, I

> can't advise further yet except to say that I found tha above book very

> helpful to get started.

>

> Best Regards,

> Mark

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Daniel Newman [mailto:pc@r...]

> Sent: 12 December 2001 23:27

> To: ASPToday Discuss

> Subject: [asptoday_discuss] asp programming methodologies

>

>

> I am an experienced Coldfusion programmer, new to ASP. I often used a

> method called FUSEBOX programming which simply used a switch statement and

> INCLUDES to architect a site.

>

> In Coldfusion a CFINCLUDE statement does not get executed before all other

> scripts as does an asp #include. This means that files can be

> programatically included making it easy to separate out functionality and

> layout in multiple files.

>

> I am looking for some system that might be equivalent as I learn ASP. How

> do people architect sites with lots of different pages. Is there no way to

> center a site around the default.asp page, inserting content as needed by

> the logic flow of the application? Where can I find some strategies?

>

> THX!!!

>

>

You should investigate the Server.Execute and Server.Transfer statements. 

They allow you to conditionally process code located in other ASP pages. 

In most cases, they are preferable to using the #include directive. Also, 

you should take advantage of the VBScript Class...End Class statement to 

help modularize your code.



> I am an experienced Coldfusion programmer, new to ASP. I often used a 

> method called FUSEBOX programming which simply used a switch statement 

and 

> INCLUDES to architect a site.

> 

> In Coldfusion a CFINCLUDE statement does not get executed before all 

other 

> scripts as does an asp #include. This means that files can be 

> programatically included making it easy to separate out functionality 

and 

> layout in multiple files.

> 

> I am looking for some system that might be equivalent as I learn ASP. 

How 

> do people architect sites with lots of different pages. Is there no way 

to 

> center a site around the default.asp page, inserting content as needed 

by 

> the logic flow of the application? Where can I find some strategies?

> 

> THX!!!

Now we're talking ... thanks for these tips -- this is the kind of stuff

that I was looking for and had yet to find ...



thanks much I will look into both of these areas!



Dan





> You should investigate the Server.Execute and Server.Transfer statements.

> They allow you to conditionally process code located in other ASP pages.

> In most cases, they are preferable to using the #include directive. Also,

> you should take advantage of the VBScript Class...End Class statement to

> help modularize your code.

>

> > I am an experienced Coldfusion programmer, new to ASP. I often used a

> > method called FUSEBOX programming which simply used a switch statement

> and

> > INCLUDES to architect a site.

> >

> > In Coldfusion a CFINCLUDE statement does not get executed before all

> other

> > scripts as does an asp #include. This means that files can be

> > programatically included making it easy to separate out functionality

> and

> > layout in multiple files.

> >

> > I am looking for some system that might be equivalent as I learn ASP.

> How

> > do people architect sites with lots of different pages. Is there no way

> to

> > center a site around the default.asp page, inserting content as needed

> by

> > the logic flow of the application? Where can I find some strategies?

> >

> > THX!!!

>