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asptoday_discuss thread: RE: Protect Back/Forward
Message #1 by "N. Rajavelu" <nrajavelu@q...> on Fri, 14 Dec 2001 11:57:56 +0530
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Can we control the browser navigations like back, forward? how?
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Newman [mailto:pc@r...]
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 5:11 AM
To: ASPToday Discuss
Subject: [asptoday_discuss] RE: asp programming methodologies
Thanks Mark,
I am eager to move onto to learning asp.net and getting into the object
oriented approach therein.
Unfortunately the client I am working for right now, wants just ASP.
With ASP it doesn't seem easy to use a single page approach -- that I think
is fairly common with Coldfusion. In this approach a single, say index.cfm,
page is hit every time by the user and content is loaded in according to
what variables are passed into the page. The content is loaded with
CFINCLUDE statements. This works well, because CFINCLUDES are not executed
before all other code in Coldfusion as they are in ASP. The problem with ASP
in this area, is that #include s all get run on every page. A Coldfusion
page may have 30 CFINCLUDEs, but only actually execute 1. In ASP, all 30
would run no matter what -- making less than stellar performance for this
sort technique.
So I am using #include s in my ASP application -- but rather than a single
page approach with tons of them, I am using multiple pages-- 1 per each
major block of content. Can't see any other approach, but it's cool.
Anyway, just food for thoughts ...
Am looking forward to ASP.NET though -- let us know it goes for you.
Dan
> Hi Daniel,
>
> I'm not familiar with Cold Fusion although I have used a product called
> Tango which I think is not dissimilar, and have been well used to the
> technique of include files!
>
> Writing applications in .net is a very different mindset to
> Coldfusion/Tango. The architecture of the entire environment is fully
object
> orientated. As a result it's possible to create "controls" (like included
> bits of HTML) that can do more - for example, attaching code and
behaviours
> and thus building up an ASP page (or a whole site) from "snippets" of code
> wrapped into classes. This could include common functionality and/or
> presentation.
>
> The Wrox book "Beginning ASP.Net Using C#" touches on the subject in a
later
> chapter, I'm quite new to it myself but will be trying out the techniques
> over the next few weeks. So while I can point you at some of the ideas, I
> can't advise further yet except to say that I found tha above book very
> helpful to get started.
>
> Best Regards,
> Mark
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Daniel Newman [mailto:pc@r...]
> Sent: 12 December 2001 23:27
> To: ASPToday Discuss
> Subject: [asptoday_discuss] asp programming methodologies
>
>
> I am an experienced Coldfusion programmer, new to ASP. I often used a
> method called FUSEBOX programming which simply used a switch statement and
> INCLUDES to architect a site.
>
> In Coldfusion a CFINCLUDE statement does not get executed before all other
> scripts as does an asp #include. This means that files can be
> programatically included making it easy to separate out functionality and
> layout in multiple files.
>
> I am looking for some system that might be equivalent as I learn ASP. How
> do people architect sites with lots of different pages. Is there no way to
> center a site around the default.asp page, inserting content as needed by
> the logic flow of the application? Where can I find some strategies?
>
> THX!!!
>
>
Message #2 by "Louis T Kklauder Jr" <lklauder@w...> on Fri, 14 Dec 2001 11:54:38 -0500
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I needed to do that, and someone pointed me to Microsoft's hta program.
It renders html the same way that IE does but does not offer the user
any of the tool bar items except minimize, full_screen, and close. It
worked very nicely for me.
Lou Klauder
-----Original Message-----
From: N. Rajavelu [mailto:nrajavelu@q...]
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 1:28 AM
To: ASPToday Discuss
Subject: [asptoday_discuss] RE: Protect Back/Forward
Can we control the browser navigations like back, forward? how?
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Newman [mailto:pc@r...]
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 5:11 AM
To: ASPToday Discuss
Subject: [asptoday_discuss] RE: asp programming methodologies
Thanks Mark,
I am eager to move onto to learning asp.net and getting into the object
oriented approach therein.
Unfortunately the client I am working for right now, wants just ASP.
With ASP it doesn't seem easy to use a single page approach -- that I
think
is fairly common with Coldfusion. In this approach a single, say
index.cfm,
page is hit every time by the user and content is loaded in according to
what variables are passed into the page. The content is loaded with
CFINCLUDE statements. This works well, because CFINCLUDES are not
executed
before all other code in Coldfusion as they are in ASP. The problem with
ASP
in this area, is that #include s all get run on every page. A Coldfusion
page may have 30 CFINCLUDEs, but only actually execute 1. In ASP, all 30
would run no matter what -- making less than stellar performance for
this
sort technique.
So I am using #include s in my ASP application -- but rather than a
single
page approach with tons of them, I am using multiple pages-- 1 per each
major block of content. Can't see any other approach, but it's cool.
Anyway, just food for thoughts ...
Am looking forward to ASP.NET though -- let us know it goes for you.
Dan
> Hi Daniel,
>
> I'm not familiar with Cold Fusion although I have used a product
called
> Tango which I think is not dissimilar, and have been well used to the
> technique of include files!
>
> Writing applications in .net is a very different mindset to
> Coldfusion/Tango. The architecture of the entire environment is fully
object
> orientated. As a result it's possible to create "controls" (like
included
> bits of HTML) that can do more - for example, attaching code and
behaviours
> and thus building up an ASP page (or a whole site) from "snippets" of
code
> wrapped into classes. This could include common functionality and/or
> presentation.
>
> The Wrox book "Beginning ASP.Net Using C#" touches on the subject in a
later
> chapter, I'm quite new to it myself but will be trying out the
techniques
> over the next few weeks. So while I can point you at some of the
ideas, I
> can't advise further yet except to say that I found tha above book
very
> helpful to get started.
>
> Best Regards,
> Mark
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Daniel Newman [mailto:pc@r...]
> Sent: 12 December 2001 23:27
> To: ASPToday Discuss
> Subject: [asptoday_discuss] asp programming methodologies
>
>
> I am an experienced Coldfusion programmer, new to ASP. I often used a
> method called FUSEBOX programming which simply used a switch statement
and
> INCLUDES to architect a site.
>
> In Coldfusion a CFINCLUDE statement does not get executed before all
other
> scripts as does an asp #include. This means that files can be
> programatically included making it easy to separate out functionality
and
> layout in multiple files.
>
> I am looking for some system that might be equivalent as I learn ASP.
How
> do people architect sites with lots of different pages. Is there no
way to
> center a site around the default.asp page, inserting content as needed
by
> the logic flow of the application? Where can I find some strategies?
>
> THX!!!
>
>
Message #3 by "Patrick" <patrick00@n...> on Sat, 15 Dec 2001 08:36:56 -0000
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Which HTA program was it and where is the download page?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Louis T Kklauder Jr" <lklauder@w...>
To: "ASPToday Discuss" <asptoday_discuss@p...>
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 4:54 PM
Subject: [asptoday_discuss] RE: Protect Back/Forward
> I needed to do that, and someone pointed me to Microsoft's hta program.
> It renders html the same way that IE does but does not offer the user
> any of the tool bar items except minimize, full_screen, and close. It
> worked very nicely for me.
>
> Lou Klauder
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: N. Rajavelu [mailto:nrajavelu@q...]
> Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 1:28 AM
> To: ASPToday Discuss
> Subject: [asptoday_discuss] RE: Protect Back/Forward
>
> Can we control the browser navigations like back, forward? how?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Newman [mailto:pc@r...]
> Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 5:11 AM
> To: ASPToday Discuss
> Subject: [asptoday_discuss] RE: asp programming methodologies
>
>
> Thanks Mark,
>
> I am eager to move onto to learning asp.net and getting into the object
> oriented approach therein.
>
> Unfortunately the client I am working for right now, wants just ASP.
>
> With ASP it doesn't seem easy to use a single page approach -- that I
> think
> is fairly common with Coldfusion. In this approach a single, say
> index.cfm,
> page is hit every time by the user and content is loaded in according to
> what variables are passed into the page. The content is loaded with
> CFINCLUDE statements. This works well, because CFINCLUDES are not
> executed
> before all other code in Coldfusion as they are in ASP. The problem with
> ASP
> in this area, is that #include s all get run on every page. A Coldfusion
> page may have 30 CFINCLUDEs, but only actually execute 1. In ASP, all 30
> would run no matter what -- making less than stellar performance for
> this
> sort technique.
>
> So I am using #include s in my ASP application -- but rather than a
> single
> page approach with tons of them, I am using multiple pages-- 1 per each
> major block of content. Can't see any other approach, but it's cool.
>
> Anyway, just food for thoughts ...
>
> Am looking forward to ASP.NET though -- let us know it goes for you.
>
> Dan
>
>
> > Hi Daniel,
> >
> > I'm not familiar with Cold Fusion although I have used a product
> called
> > Tango which I think is not dissimilar, and have been well used to the
> > technique of include files!
> >
> > Writing applications in .net is a very different mindset to
> > Coldfusion/Tango. The architecture of the entire environment is fully
> object
> > orientated. As a result it's possible to create "controls" (like
> included
> > bits of HTML) that can do more - for example, attaching code and
> behaviours
> > and thus building up an ASP page (or a whole site) from "snippets" of
> code
> > wrapped into classes. This could include common functionality and/or
> > presentation.
> >
> > The Wrox book "Beginning ASP.Net Using C#" touches on the subject in a
> later
> > chapter, I'm quite new to it myself but will be trying out the
> techniques
> > over the next few weeks. So while I can point you at some of the
> ideas, I
> > can't advise further yet except to say that I found tha above book
> very
> > helpful to get started.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> > Mark
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Daniel Newman [mailto:pc@r...]
> > Sent: 12 December 2001 23:27
> > To: ASPToday Discuss
> > Subject: [asptoday_discuss] asp programming methodologies
> >
> >
> > I am an experienced Coldfusion programmer, new to ASP. I often used a
> > method called FUSEBOX programming which simply used a switch statement
> and
> > INCLUDES to architect a site.
> >
> > In Coldfusion a CFINCLUDE statement does not get executed before all
> other
> > scripts as does an asp #include. This means that files can be
> > programatically included making it easy to separate out functionality
> and
> > layout in multiple files.
> >
> > I am looking for some system that might be equivalent as I learn ASP.
> How
> > do people architect sites with lots of different pages. Is there no
> way to
> > center a site around the default.asp page, inserting content as needed
> by
> > the logic flow of the application? Where can I find some strategies?
> >
> > THX!!!
> >
> >
>
>
Message #4 by "Louis T Kklauder Jr" <lklauder@w...> on Sat, 15 Dec 2001 09:40:37 -0500
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If you search in the MSDN Library for "hta", the article at the top of
the list of references found is titled "Writing HTML Applications for
Internet Explorer 5.0" by Scott Roberts. It has a good explanation. I
imagine you can also find it on the Microsoft web site.
Lou Klauder
-----Original Message-----
From: Patrick [mailto:patrick00@n...]
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 3:37 AM
To: ASPToday Discuss
Subject: [asptoday_discuss] RE: Protect Back/Forward
Which HTA program was it and where is the download page?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Louis T Kklauder Jr" <lklauder@w...>
To: "ASPToday Discuss" <asptoday_discuss@p...>
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 4:54 PM
Subject: [asptoday_discuss] RE: Protect Back/Forward
> I needed to do that, and someone pointed me to Microsoft's hta
program.
> It renders html the same way that IE does but does not offer the user
> any of the tool bar items except minimize, full_screen, and close. It
> worked very nicely for me.
>
> Lou Klauder
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: N. Rajavelu [mailto:nrajavelu@q...]
> Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 1:28 AM
> To: ASPToday Discuss
> Subject: [asptoday_discuss] RE: Protect Back/Forward
>
> Can we control the browser navigations like back, forward? how?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Newman [mailto:pc@r...]
> Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 5:11 AM
> To: ASPToday Discuss
> Subject: [asptoday_discuss] RE: asp programming methodologies
>
>
> Thanks Mark,
>
> I am eager to move onto to learning asp.net and getting into the
object
> oriented approach therein.
>
> Unfortunately the client I am working for right now, wants just ASP.
>
> With ASP it doesn't seem easy to use a single page approach -- that I
> think
> is fairly common with Coldfusion. In this approach a single, say
> index.cfm,
> page is hit every time by the user and content is loaded in according
to
> what variables are passed into the page. The content is loaded with
> CFINCLUDE statements. This works well, because CFINCLUDES are not
> executed
> before all other code in Coldfusion as they are in ASP. The problem
with
> ASP
> in this area, is that #include s all get run on every page. A
Coldfusion
> page may have 30 CFINCLUDEs, but only actually execute 1. In ASP, all
30
> would run no matter what -- making less than stellar performance for
> this
> sort technique.
>
> So I am using #include s in my ASP application -- but rather than a
> single
> page approach with tons of them, I am using multiple pages-- 1 per
each
> major block of content. Can't see any other approach, but it's cool.
>
> Anyway, just food for thoughts ...
>
> Am looking forward to ASP.NET though -- let us know it goes for you.
>
> Dan
>
>
> > Hi Daniel,
> >
> > I'm not familiar with Cold Fusion although I have used a product
> called
> > Tango which I think is not dissimilar, and have been well used to
the
> > technique of include files!
> >
> > Writing applications in .net is a very different mindset to
> > Coldfusion/Tango. The architecture of the entire environment is
fully
> object
> > orientated. As a result it's possible to create "controls" (like
> included
> > bits of HTML) that can do more - for example, attaching code and
> behaviours
> > and thus building up an ASP page (or a whole site) from "snippets"
of
> code
> > wrapped into classes. This could include common functionality and/or
> > presentation.
> >
> > The Wrox book "Beginning ASP.Net Using C#" touches on the subject in
a
> later
> > chapter, I'm quite new to it myself but will be trying out the
> techniques
> > over the next few weeks. So while I can point you at some of the
> ideas, I
> > can't advise further yet except to say that I found tha above book
> very
> > helpful to get started.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> > Mark
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Daniel Newman [mailto:pc@r...]
> > Sent: 12 December 2001 23:27
> > To: ASPToday Discuss
> > Subject: [asptoday_discuss] asp programming methodologies
> >
> >
> > I am an experienced Coldfusion programmer, new to ASP. I often used
a
> > method called FUSEBOX programming which simply used a switch
statement
> and
> > INCLUDES to architect a site.
> >
> > In Coldfusion a CFINCLUDE statement does not get executed before all
> other
> > scripts as does an asp #include. This means that files can be
> > programatically included making it easy to separate out
functionality
> and
> > layout in multiple files.
> >
> > I am looking for some system that might be equivalent as I learn
ASP.
> How
> > do people architect sites with lots of different pages. Is there no
> way to
> > center a site around the default.asp page, inserting content as
needed
> by
> > the logic flow of the application? Where can I find some strategies?
> >
> > THX!!!
> >
> >
>
>
Message #5 by "N. Rajavelu" <nrajavelu@q...> on Sun, 16 Dec 2001 12:31:45 +0530
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Hi Louis,
thanks a lot this is the one i reqd, but tell me in my case the html gets
generated though asp, then how should we mention the HTA application tag and
intial page of my web site. I am very new to this web development. pls guid
me
-----Original Message-----
From: Louis T Kklauder Jr [mailto:lklauder@w...]
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 10:25 PM
To: ASPToday Discuss
Subject: [asptoday_discuss] RE: Protect Back/Forward
I needed to do that, and someone pointed me to Microsoft's hta program.
It renders html the same way that IE does but does not offer the user
any of the tool bar items except minimize, full_screen, and close. It
worked very nicely for me.
Lou Klauder
-----Original Message-----
From: N. Rajavelu [mailto:nrajavelu@q...]
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 1:28 AM
To: ASPToday Discuss
Subject: [asptoday_discuss] RE: Protect Back/Forward
Can we control the browser navigations like back, forward? how?
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Newman [mailto:pc@r...]
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 5:11 AM
To: ASPToday Discuss
Subject: [asptoday_discuss] RE: asp programming methodologies
Thanks Mark,
I am eager to move onto to learning asp.net and getting into the object
oriented approach therein.
Unfortunately the client I am working for right now, wants just ASP.
With ASP it doesn't seem easy to use a single page approach -- that I
think
is fairly common with Coldfusion. In this approach a single, say
index.cfm,
page is hit every time by the user and content is loaded in according to
what variables are passed into the page. The content is loaded with
CFINCLUDE statements. This works well, because CFINCLUDES are not
executed
before all other code in Coldfusion as they are in ASP. The problem with
ASP
in this area, is that #include s all get run on every page. A Coldfusion
page may have 30 CFINCLUDEs, but only actually execute 1. In ASP, all 30
would run no matter what -- making less than stellar performance for
this
sort technique.
So I am using #include s in my ASP application -- but rather than a
single
page approach with tons of them, I am using multiple pages-- 1 per each
major block of content. Can't see any other approach, but it's cool.
Anyway, just food for thoughts ...
Am looking forward to ASP.NET though -- let us know it goes for you.
Dan
> Hi Daniel,
>
> I'm not familiar with Cold Fusion although I have used a product
called
> Tango which I think is not dissimilar, and have been well used to the
> technique of include files!
>
> Writing applications in .net is a very different mindset to
> Coldfusion/Tango. The architecture of the entire environment is fully
object
> orientated. As a result it's possible to create "controls" (like
included
> bits of HTML) that can do more - for example, attaching code and
behaviours
> and thus building up an ASP page (or a whole site) from "snippets" of
code
> wrapped into classes. This could include common functionality and/or
> presentation.
>
> The Wrox book "Beginning ASP.Net Using C#" touches on the subject in a
later
> chapter, I'm quite new to it myself but will be trying out the
techniques
> over the next few weeks. So while I can point you at some of the
ideas, I
> can't advise further yet except to say that I found tha above book
very
> helpful to get started.
>
> Best Regards,
> Mark
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Daniel Newman [mailto:pc@r...]
> Sent: 12 December 2001 23:27
> To: ASPToday Discuss
> Subject: [asptoday_discuss] asp programming methodologies
>
>
> I am an experienced Coldfusion programmer, new to ASP. I often used a
> method called FUSEBOX programming which simply used a switch statement
and
> INCLUDES to architect a site.
>
> In Coldfusion a CFINCLUDE statement does not get executed before all
other
> scripts as does an asp #include. This means that files can be
> programatically included making it easy to separate out functionality
and
> layout in multiple files.
>
> I am looking for some system that might be equivalent as I learn ASP.
How
> do people architect sites with lots of different pages. Is there no
way to
> center a site around the default.asp page, inserting content as needed
by
> the logic flow of the application? Where can I find some strategies?
>
> THX!!!
>
>
Message #6 by "Louis T Kklauder Jr" <lklauder@w...> on Sun, 16 Dec 2001 09:05:18 -0500
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Check the Microsoft Developer Network Web site and search for hta or
Internet Explorer Application for examples.
Lou Klauder
-----Original Message-----
From: N. Rajavelu [mailto:nrajavelu@q...]
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 2:02 AM
To: ASPToday Discuss
Subject: [asptoday_discuss] RE: Protect Back/Forward
Hi Louis,
thanks a lot this is the one i reqd, but tell me in my case the html
gets
generated though asp, then how should we mention the HTA application tag
and
intial page of my web site. I am very new to this web development. pls
guid
me
-----Original Message-----
From: Louis T Kklauder Jr [mailto:lklauder@w...]
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 10:25 PM
To: ASPToday Discuss
Subject: [asptoday_discuss] RE: Protect Back/Forward
I needed to do that, and someone pointed me to Microsoft's hta program.
It renders html the same way that IE does but does not offer the user
any of the tool bar items except minimize, full_screen, and close. It
worked very nicely for me.
Lou Klauder
-----Original Message-----
From: N. Rajavelu [mailto:nrajavelu@q...]
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 1:28 AM
To: ASPToday Discuss
Subject: [asptoday_discuss] RE: Protect Back/Forward
Can we control the browser navigations like back, forward? how?
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Newman [mailto:pc@r...]
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 5:11 AM
To: ASPToday Discuss
Subject: [asptoday_discuss] RE: asp programming methodologies
Thanks Mark,
I am eager to move onto to learning asp.net and getting into the object
oriented approach therein.
Unfortunately the client I am working for right now, wants just ASP.
With ASP it doesn't seem easy to use a single page approach -- that I
think
is fairly common with Coldfusion. In this approach a single, say
index.cfm,
page is hit every time by the user and content is loaded in according to
what variables are passed into the page. The content is loaded with
CFINCLUDE statements. This works well, because CFINCLUDES are not
executed
before all other code in Coldfusion as they are in ASP. The problem with
ASP
in this area, is that #include s all get run on every page. A Coldfusion
page may have 30 CFINCLUDEs, but only actually execute 1. In ASP, all 30
would run no matter what -- making less than stellar performance for
this
sort technique.
So I am using #include s in my ASP application -- but rather than a
single
page approach with tons of them, I am using multiple pages-- 1 per each
major block of content. Can't see any other approach, but it's cool.
Anyway, just food for thoughts ...
Am looking forward to ASP.NET though -- let us know it goes for you.
Dan
> Hi Daniel,
>
> I'm not familiar with Cold Fusion although I have used a product
called
> Tango which I think is not dissimilar, and have been well used to the
> technique of include files!
>
> Writing applications in .net is a very different mindset to
> Coldfusion/Tango. The architecture of the entire environment is fully
object
> orientated. As a result it's possible to create "controls" (like
included
> bits of HTML) that can do more - for example, attaching code and
behaviours
> and thus building up an ASP page (or a whole site) from "snippets" of
code
> wrapped into classes. This could include common functionality and/or
> presentation.
>
> The Wrox book "Beginning ASP.Net Using C#" touches on the subject in a
later
> chapter, I'm quite new to it myself but will be trying out the
techniques
> over the next few weeks. So while I can point you at some of the
ideas, I
> can't advise further yet except to say that I found tha above book
very
> helpful to get started.
>
> Best Regards,
> Mark
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Daniel Newman [mailto:pc@r...]
> Sent: 12 December 2001 23:27
> To: ASPToday Discuss
> Subject: [asptoday_discuss] asp programming methodologies
>
>
> I am an experienced Coldfusion programmer, new to ASP. I often used a
> method called FUSEBOX programming which simply used a switch statement
and
> INCLUDES to architect a site.
>
> In Coldfusion a CFINCLUDE statement does not get executed before all
other
> scripts as does an asp #include. This means that files can be
> programatically included making it easy to separate out functionality
and
> layout in multiple files.
>
> I am looking for some system that might be equivalent as I learn ASP.
How
> do people architect sites with lots of different pages. Is there no
way to
> center a site around the default.asp page, inserting content as needed
by
> the logic flow of the application? Where can I find some strategies?
>
> THX!!!
>
>
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