its funny just how primitive we can be in times of change...



the point is life goes things get better and things get faster more hardcore

and we need to keep developing untill we self destruct, ok, so you dont want

to keep changing?

but i think its fantastic, keeps us on our toes and reminds us how obsolete

our jobs are becoming....



mike



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"Aaron Montgomery" <Aaron.Montgomery@C...> wrote in message

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>

> Just a few observations, please don't take it wrong.

>

> Front Page isn't a tool that many web developers truly use.  It's gotten

> better over the years true, but to many people got upset with how it

handled

> their code and made changes it thought was better.  Most of which usually

> crashed in Netscape too.  In the case of JavaScript, VBScript, CSS, and

> dHTML in general, yes there are a number of editors out there that do a

> 'pretty good job' of handling them.  I've found that no matter how good

the

> editor is though, unless you honestly know what's going on, you don't make

> anything better than 'pretty good' web sites.

>

> Take it a step further with UltraDev, a product that I tried for a few

> months on the behest of die hard Macromedia fan.  I didn't really like how

> it handled the pages, and I don't think it produces solid code, but it is

> good enough that a Web Designer can make basic Dynamic ASP pages, they

> cannot however create scalable distributed applications.

>

> Which really leads us to, what is the point?  WAP and XML might not have

> taken off to the point that was so readily promised, but given the recent

> decline in DotCom Craze(TM) as I like to call it, they are doing well, and

> they will end up having a strong market presence.  As these trends grow,

and

> people start to move away from the B2C hype of the internet, companies are

> going to start getting a foothold on using the Internet for strong B2B

> ideas, where the real money is for the Internet.  As such, they are going

to

> want Web Developers to get away from Flashy sites and start to produce

real

> web applications.  That is where ASP.NET starts to come in.

>

> ASP has gone through various improvements over the years, and with Version

3

> was capable of doing some pretty amazing things, however it wasn't fully

to

> the point that it needed to be.  This .NET Framework helps with a lot of

the

> basic annoyances of ASP such as Form Validation and State Control.  These

> are pieces that I had to re-write every time I changed jobs or contracts.

> Yes they are fairly easy to create, but it takes some time to do, and

> investors like to get the most out of their time.

>

> There is also the improvement of moving the pages away from what amounted

to

> scripts to fully qualified Objects, with language support for strong types

> and early binding which helps to reduce the error load, especially when

you

> take full advantage of code-behind classes.  I've also run some tests, and

> even with just the PDC bits, the pages do run faster than normal ASP

pages,

> so you are getting a speed increase and better performance just by using

the

> Framework.

>

> I guess to end this quickly, the point is Scalable Distributed

Applications.

> The .NET Framework as a whole is about creating these, and ASP.NET is the

> presentation layer.

>

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Kev Gallagher [mailto:kgallagher@s...]

> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 10:07 AM

> To: ASP+

> Subject: [aspx] What is the point ??

>

>

> I'm sure everyone will be interested to know the answer to this because

> it's a really simple question .

>

> What exactly is the advantage that is SO big , that I can't live without

> and threfore have to re-write all my ASP code to this new style .

>

> I really like ASP+ ( sorry ASP.NET and we didn't see that coming now , did

> we ??) , but an awful lot of it seems to be towards keeping web developers

> in jobs . Eh ?

>

> First came HTML and JavaScript , then Front Page .

> So we made CSS and then Front Page '98 began to handle that too .

> So we made dHTML and it never got it's just deserts because of Flash (

> which I am not against - just hear me out ) .

> Then ASP was the next big thing , no editor could replace the Web

> Developer and his Coding skills with ASP .

> Then came Dreamweaver Ultradev .

> Within 2 months of learning Web Design my girlfriend was producing dynamic

> asp pages .

>

> Then we proclaimed that XML and WAP was the wave of the future .

>

> WAP hasn't taken off and I have just converted my 4 large websites to XML

> at the start of the year .

>

> Then 2 months ago I had to convert all my XSLT stylesheets to the NEW

> microsoft parser .

>

> I only finished that last month and now I am expected to re-write all the

> ASP code to ASP+ ( sorry ASP.NET ) ?

>

> Can someone tell me what is the point ?

>

> If someone can tell me I will change , I was convinced with ASP within 10

> minutes . But I've been reading this for a month now and just don't see

> it.

>

> Please help ...

>

>

>