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aspx thread: I want to start .net
Message #1 by abdul sami <abdul_sami_20@y...> on Sat, 2 Jun 2001 06:15:05 -0700 (PDT)
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I am new to .net and I want to know how to retrieve
data in the simplest form using desinging environment
(i.e through dataset etc.).
If someone tells me I will be able to develop a
simple application in aspx.
Thanks & Regards
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Message #2 by "Mel C Solomon" <melsolomon@e...> on Sun, 3 Jun 2001 16:07:06 -0800
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Arrggggsss!I don't want to assumed you already hav e the .Net SDK w/c is
need for .Net application (if you have it, why don't you start reading
before posting annoying questions like this!)...if not, then download it..
...www.asp.net
The SDK contains the materials including fantastic QuickStart tutorials
that will help you. Just follow the links posted in asp.net and holllah!
tons of .Net materials!!!
Tips: Try to spend some time reading/searching pls....
mel :-)
ASP+ wrote:
>I am new to .net and I want to know how to retrieve
>data in the simplest form using desinging environment
>(i.e through dataset etc.).
>
>If someone tells me I will be able to develop a
>simple application in aspx.
>
>
>Thanks & Regards
>
>
Message #3 by "Mitch Denny" <mitch.denny@w...> on Sun, 3 Jun 2001 21:40:50 +1000
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Mel,
People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. I remember a
number beginner questions posted by you as recently as three
months ago. Give these new starters a chance and give them
the benefit of your experience, if you don't want to do that
leave the message alone and let someone else answer it.
To the original poster: As Mel correctly mentioned, there are
a number of resources available to you. There are the ASP.NET
Quick starts which should be installed on your local machine
at the following address:
http://localhost/QuickStart/
If that doesn't work, point your browser at the following
publically available version:
http://www.gotdotnet.com/QuickStart/
These are a good lead into the ASP.NET technology and the
http://www.gotdotnet.com web-site is a good jumping point
to other online resources.
However, most people using working with the Microsoft
.NET Framework SDK or the Microsoft Visual Studio.NET
are hand coding solutions. There are not alot of examples
out there that demonstrate using the IDE exclusively to
develop a solution.
Anyway, I hope this gives you some starter information.
----------------------------------------
- Mitch Denny
- http://www.warbyte.com
- mitch.denny@w...
- +61 (414) 610-141
-
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mel C Solomon [mailto:melsolomon@e...]
> Sent: Monday, 4 June 2001 10:07
> To: ASP+
> Subject: [aspx] Re: I want to start .net
>
>
> Arrggggsss!I don't want to assumed you already hav e the .Net SDK w/c is
> need for .Net application (if you have it, why don't you start reading
> before posting annoying questions like this!)...if not, then
> download it..
> ...www.asp.net
> The SDK contains the materials including fantastic QuickStart tutorials
> that will help you. Just follow the links posted in asp.net and holllah!
> tons of .Net materials!!!
>
> Tips: Try to spend some time reading/searching pls....
>
>
> mel :-)
>
>
> ASP+ wrote:
>
> >I am new to .net and I want to know how to retrieve
> >data in the simplest form using desinging environment
> >(i.e through dataset etc.).
> >
> >If someone tells me I will be able to develop a
> >simple application in aspx.
> >
> >
> >Thanks & Regards
Message #4 by "Peter Ehli" <peteehli@a...> on Sun, 3 Jun 2001 10:19:44 -0700
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This is how I stated with .NET and using the VS7 IDE - I sent in 12.00 to MS
for the beta1 CD which includes everything you need plus SQL server 2000 120
day demo. Then I bought "C# Programming the Public Beta. Just install the
beta and read the book and your way ahead of the crowd in you understanding
of topics like assemblies, namspaces ect. and the book is a great overview
of the IDE and how to use it.
- Pete Ehli -
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mitch Denny" <mitch.denny@w...>
To: "ASP+" <aspx@p...>
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 4:40 AM
Subject: [aspx] Re: I want to start .net
> Mel,
>
> People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. I remember a
> number beginner questions posted by you as recently as three
> months ago. Give these new starters a chance and give them
> the benefit of your experience, if you don't want to do that
> leave the message alone and let someone else answer it.
>
> To the original poster: As Mel correctly mentioned, there are
> a number of resources available to you. There are the ASP.NET
> Quick starts which should be installed on your local machine
> at the following address:
>
> http://localhost/QuickStart/
>
> If that doesn't work, point your browser at the following
> publically available version:
>
> http://www.gotdotnet.com/QuickStart/
>
> These are a good lead into the ASP.NET technology and the
> http://www.gotdotnet.com web-site is a good jumping point
> to other online resources.
>
> However, most people using working with the Microsoft
> .NET Framework SDK or the Microsoft Visual Studio.NET
> are hand coding solutions. There are not alot of examples
> out there that demonstrate using the IDE exclusively to
> develop a solution.
>
> Anyway, I hope this gives you some starter information.
>
> ----------------------------------------
> - Mitch Denny
> - http://www.warbyte.com
> - mitch.denny@w...
> - +61 (414) 610-141
> -
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mel C Solomon [mailto:melsolomon@e...]
> > Sent: Monday, 4 June 2001 10:07
> > To: ASP+
> > Subject: [aspx] Re: I want to start .net
> >
> >
> > Arrggggsss!I don't want to assumed you already hav e the .Net SDK w/c
is
> > need for .Net application (if you have it, why don't you start reading
> > before posting annoying questions like this!)...if not, then
> > download it..
> > ...www.asp.net
> > The SDK contains the materials including fantastic QuickStart tutorials
> > that will help you. Just follow the links posted in asp.net and holllah!
> > tons of .Net materials!!!
> >
> > Tips: Try to spend some time reading/searching pls....
> >
> >
> > mel :-)
> >
> >
> > ASP+ wrote:
> >
> > >I am new to .net and I want to know how to retrieve
> > >data in the simplest form using desinging environment
> > >(i.e through dataset etc.).
> > >
> > >If someone tells me I will be able to develop a
> > >simple application in aspx.
> > >
> > >
> > >Thanks & Regards
Message #5 by "Daniel Anderson" <dcanderson@u...> on Sun, 3 Jun 2001 15:15:15 -0600
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While this IS a great way to get started, don't get "locked in" to how you
believe .NET works. I say this for several reasons. First, the book you're
referring to uses the PDC preview version of .NET, since that is all that
was available at the time. Second, be prepared for big changes in Beta 2.
There are *EXTENSIVE* changes to the namespaces which will require quite a
bit of search and replace, and in some cases a total re-work of code, in
order to make your code work.
Third, you will have to reformat your machine to install beta 2 if you have
a prior version installed. DO NOT TAKE THIS STATEMENT LIGHTLY.
Uninstalling your current version to make the upgrade WILL NOT WORK.
I do agree that the book gives you a good start on understanding the
fundamentals of .NET, but the coming changes are quite significant and may
cause quite a bit of grief for people who are finally getting a handle on
.NET.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Ehli" <peteehli@a...>
To: "ASP+" <aspx@p...>
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 11:19 AM
Subject: [aspx] Re: I want to start .net
> This is how I stated with .NET and using the VS7 IDE - I sent in 12.00 to
MS
> for the beta1 CD which includes everything you need plus SQL server 2000
120
> day demo. Then I bought "C# Programming the Public Beta. Just install the
> beta and read the book and your way ahead of the crowd in you
understanding
> of topics like assemblies, namspaces ect. and the book is a great overview
> of the IDE and how to use it.
> - Pete Ehli -
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mitch Denny" <mitch.denny@w...>
> To: "ASP+" <aspx@p...>
> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 4:40 AM
> Subject: [aspx] Re: I want to start .net
>
>
> > Mel,
> >
> > People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. I remember a
> > number beginner questions posted by you as recently as three
> > months ago. Give these new starters a chance and give them
> > the benefit of your experience, if you don't want to do that
> > leave the message alone and let someone else answer it.
> >
> > To the original poster: As Mel correctly mentioned, there are
> > a number of resources available to you. There are the ASP.NET
> > Quick starts which should be installed on your local machine
> > at the following address:
> >
> > http://localhost/QuickStart/
> >
> > If that doesn't work, point your browser at the following
> > publically available version:
> >
> > http://www.gotdotnet.com/QuickStart/
> >
> > These are a good lead into the ASP.NET technology and the
> > http://www.gotdotnet.com web-site is a good jumping point
> > to other online resources.
> >
> > However, most people using working with the Microsoft
> > .NET Framework SDK or the Microsoft Visual Studio.NET
> > are hand coding solutions. There are not alot of examples
> > out there that demonstrate using the IDE exclusively to
> > develop a solution.
> >
> > Anyway, I hope this gives you some starter information.
> >
> > ----------------------------------------
> > - Mitch Denny
> > - http://www.warbyte.com
> > - mitch.denny@w...
> > - +61 (414) 610-141
> > -
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Mel C Solomon [mailto:melsolomon@e...]
> > > Sent: Monday, 4 June 2001 10:07
> > > To: ASP+
> > > Subject: [aspx] Re: I want to start .net
> > >
> > >
> > > Arrggggsss!I don't want to assumed you already hav e the .Net SDK w/c
> is
> > > need for .Net application (if you have it, why don't you start reading
> > > before posting annoying questions like this!)...if not, then
> > > download it..
> > > ...www.asp.net
> > > The SDK contains the materials including fantastic QuickStart
tutorials
> > > that will help you. Just follow the links posted in asp.net and
holllah!
> > > tons of .Net materials!!!
> > >
> > > Tips: Try to spend some time reading/searching pls....
> > >
> > >
> > > mel :-)
> > >
> > >
> > > ASP+ wrote:
> > >
> > > >I am new to .net and I want to know how to retrieve
> > > >data in the simplest form using desinging environment
> > > >(i.e through dataset etc.).
> > > >
> > > >If someone tells me I will be able to develop a
> > > >simple application in aspx.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Thanks & Regards
Message #6 by "Peter Ehli" <peteehli@a...> on Sun, 3 Jun 2001 17:21:49 -0700
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I read somewhere that the code created in beta 1 would be
transferable to Beta 2 with no problem - if it isn't it will not be a big
deal for me to redo what I have already done in beta 1 because only through
repetition can one truly learn new concepts. Also I don't get locked into
anything in the IT world because everything and especially MS products are
in constant flux. The key to being a successful programmer is the ability to
consume new concepts today at an exponential rate only to throw everything
you have learned out the door tomorrow in favor of your companies newly
implemented language or platform. This is skill that not all people possess.
Watch and see how many old ASP programmer will try to glom onto VB script.
As far as formatting ones machine - if you can't read the documentation
before you install any beta you get what you deserve. Being a successful
programmer means you should have at your disposal a mix bag of skill sets -
and installing and uninstalling OS's, drivers, software ect. is just one set
of skills needed. The way to acquiring these skill sets is to jump in and
try. Too many people who post to listserves want their hand held every step
of the way. One post I read recently on a different listserver wanted to
know how to maximize and minimize a window using JavaScript and it was a C#
mailing list. Someone replied with a couple of URL for him to check out, and
the person reposted and ask if they would code it for them. This person was
so lazy he could not go the site, do the research, and write the code!
Also IMO anything stated as fact for a future beta release from
someone on a listserve who is not on the core VS7 development team as
software engineer I take with a more than a few grains of salt. If you
didn't help design it don't post statements as being factual. If you have
read this on a MS site as fact please provide URL's to support your
statements - if it's your opinion then please state it as such with IMO. IMO
the changes from beta 1 to 2 should be very significant - but to what degree
is anyone's guess - except the people who wrote the code.
- Pete Ehli -
----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel Anderson" <dcanderson@u...>
To: "ASP+" <aspx@p...>
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 2:15 PM
Subject: [aspx] Re: I want to start .net
> While this IS a great way to get started, don't get "locked in" to how you
> believe .NET works. I say this for several reasons. First, the book
you're
> referring to uses the PDC preview version of .NET, since that is all that
> was available at the time. Second, be prepared for big changes in Beta 2.
> There are *EXTENSIVE* changes to the namespaces which will require quite a
> bit of search and replace, and in some cases a total re-work of code, in
> order to make your code work.
> Third, you will have to reformat your machine to install beta 2 if you
have
> a prior version installed. DO NOT TAKE THIS STATEMENT LIGHTLY.
> Uninstalling your current version to make the upgrade WILL NOT WORK.
> I do agree that the book gives you a good start on understanding the
> fundamentals of .NET, but the coming changes are quite significant and may
> cause quite a bit of grief for people who are finally getting a handle on
> .NET.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Ehli" <peteehli@a...>
> To: "ASP+" <aspx@p...>
> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 11:19 AM
> Subject: [aspx] Re: I want to start .net
>
>
> > This is how I stated with .NET and using the VS7 IDE - I sent in 12.00
to
> MS
> > for the beta1 CD which includes everything you need plus SQL server 2000
> 120
> > day demo. Then I bought "C# Programming the Public Beta. Just install
the
> > beta and read the book and your way ahead of the crowd in you
> understanding
> > of topics like assemblies, namspaces ect. and the book is a great
overview
> > of the IDE and how to use it.
> > - Pete Ehli -
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mitch Denny" <mitch.denny@w...>
> > To: "ASP+" <aspx@p...>
> > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 4:40 AM
> > Subject: [aspx] Re: I want to start .net
> >
> >
> > > Mel,
> > >
> > > People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. I remember a
> > > number beginner questions posted by you as recently as three
> > > months ago. Give these new starters a chance and give them
> > > the benefit of your experience, if you don't want to do that
> > > leave the message alone and let someone else answer it.
> > >
> > > To the original poster: As Mel correctly mentioned, there are
> > > a number of resources available to you. There are the ASP.NET
> > > Quick starts which should be installed on your local machine
> > > at the following address:
> > >
> > > http://localhost/QuickStart/
> > >
> > > If that doesn't work, point your browser at the following
> > > publically available version:
> > >
> > > http://www.gotdotnet.com/QuickStart/
> > >
> > > These are a good lead into the ASP.NET technology and the
> > > http://www.gotdotnet.com web-site is a good jumping point
> > > to other online resources.
> > >
> > > However, most people using working with the Microsoft
> > > .NET Framework SDK or the Microsoft Visual Studio.NET
> > > are hand coding solutions. There are not alot of examples
> > > out there that demonstrate using the IDE exclusively to
> > > develop a solution.
> > >
> > > Anyway, I hope this gives you some starter information.
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------
> > > - Mitch Denny
> > > - http://www.warbyte.com
> > > - mitch.denny@w...
> > > - +61 (414) 610-141
> > > -
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Mel C Solomon [mailto:melsolomon@e...]
> > > > Sent: Monday, 4 June 2001 10:07
> > > > To: ASP+
> > > > Subject: [aspx] Re: I want to start .net
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Arrggggsss!I don't want to assumed you already hav e the .Net SDK
w/c
> > is
> > > > need for .Net application (if you have it, why don't you start
reading
> > > > before posting annoying questions like this!)...if not, then
> > > > download it..
> > > > ...www.asp.net
> > > > The SDK contains the materials including fantastic QuickStart
> tutorials
> > > > that will help you. Just follow the links posted in asp.net and
> holllah!
> > > > tons of .Net materials!!!
> > > >
> > > > Tips: Try to spend some time reading/searching pls....
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > mel :-)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ASP+ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >I am new to .net and I want to know how to retrieve
> > > > >data in the simplest form using desinging environment
> > > > >(i.e through dataset etc.).
> > > > >
> > > > >If someone tells me I will be able to develop a
> > > > >simple application in aspx.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Thanks & Regards
Message #7 by "Mel C Solomon" <melsolomon@e...> on Mon, 4 Jun 2001 11:44:32 -0800
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>Mel,
>
>People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. I remember a
>number beginner questions posted by you as recently as three
>months ago. Give these new starters a chance and give them
>the benefit of your experience, if you don't want to do that
>leave the message alone and let someone else answer it.
For Mitch Denny:
In line with my stupid behavior...well sorry for that....actually it's not
really what i want to convey its just my english is bad! So i'm stack of
using words that first comes to my mind without thinking what it might
mean....anyway I should study english more...before posting in this great
list...and next time be more "careful".
And I aprreciate your comment Mitch ....It will serves as a good lesson. I
will not forget it.
Thanks for just-in-time reminder!
To The original poster: Please visit http://learncsharp.cjb.net
it contains examples and articles abt .Net w/c targets beginners like us.
The authors comments and documentations is really great and plain
english.It really really help me so I recommned it.I'm sure you'll
appreciate it too. While www.csharpindex.com provide good search engine abt
.Net.
Mel
Stay Cool :-)
Happy Coding!
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PCMCIA = People Can't Memorize Completely Insane Acronyms
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Message #8 by "Daniel Anderson" <dcanderson@u...> on Mon, 4 Jun 2001 08:23:44 -0600
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Peter,
There are those of us who have direct knowledge of what is coming in
post-beta 1 builds even though we do not work for Microsoft. Our NDAs
obviously prevent us from discussing details, but there are a number of
people who have been receiving intermediate builds of .NET and have gone
through the pain and agony of broken builds. Every product has beta testers
who have access to intermediate builds, including book authors, partner
software vendors, and companies identified as being good candidates for
"test-bedding" software. There ARE (I KNOW FOR A FACT) significant changes
in Beta 2, and simply uninstalling Beta 1 will not work.
And if you take what people tell you in a listserve with a grain of salt,
why do you even bother participating? Based on your statement, those of us
in the listserve don't have any factual basis for our statements anyway. On
that note, do you include yourself as being someone whose opinion can be
taken with a grain of salt? Does there need to be some qualification for
people who post here?
Furthermore, just because someone is in a listserve does not mean they are
not knowledgable. In fact, a great number of highly regarded developers,
from Don Box to Dan Appleman and others, either lurk or participate in these
lists because it gives them a chance to see what is going on in the
community. And there are always things to be learned from reading the
posts. How often have you found the answer to something you have had a
problem with as the result of reading a listserve? Despite the fact that I
have been working with .NET since the PDC preview and am currently wrapping
up a book on it, I still find the listserves a very valuable source of
information. In fact, I currently participate in over 20 .NET-related
listserves now. I can always learn from other people, because I will never
know everything.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Ehli" <peteehli@a...>
To: "ASP+" <aspx@p...>
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 6:21 PM
Subject: [aspx] Re: I want to start .net
> I read somewhere that the code created in beta 1 would be
> transferable to Beta 2 with no problem - if it isn't it will not be a big
> deal for me to redo what I have already done in beta 1 because only
through
> repetition can one truly learn new concepts. Also I don't get locked into
> anything in the IT world because everything and especially MS products are
> in constant flux. The key to being a successful programmer is the ability
to
> consume new concepts today at an exponential rate only to throw everything
> you have learned out the door tomorrow in favor of your companies newly
> implemented language or platform. This is skill that not all people
possess.
> Watch and see how many old ASP programmer will try to glom onto VB script.
> As far as formatting ones machine - if you can't read the documentation
> before you install any beta you get what you deserve. Being a successful
> programmer means you should have at your disposal a mix bag of skill
sets -
> and installing and uninstalling OS's, drivers, software ect. is just one
set
> of skills needed. The way to acquiring these skill sets is to jump in and
> try. Too many people who post to listserves want their hand held every
step
> of the way. One post I read recently on a different listserver wanted to
> know how to maximize and minimize a window using JavaScript and it was a
C#
> mailing list. Someone replied with a couple of URL for him to check out,
and
> the person reposted and ask if they would code it for them. This person
was
> so lazy he could not go the site, do the research, and write the code!
> Also IMO anything stated as fact for a future beta release from
> someone on a listserve who is not on the core VS7 development team as
> software engineer I take with a more than a few grains of salt. If you
> didn't help design it don't post statements as being factual. If you have
> read this on a MS site as fact please provide URL's to support your
> statements - if it's your opinion then please state it as such with IMO.
IMO
> the changes from beta 1 to 2 should be very significant - but to what
degree
> is anyone's guess - except the people who wrote the code.
>
> - Pete Ehli -
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Daniel Anderson" <dcanderson@u...>
> To: "ASP+" <aspx@p...>
> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 2:15 PM
> Subject: [aspx] Re: I want to start .net
>
>
> > While this IS a great way to get started, don't get "locked in" to how
you
> > believe .NET works. I say this for several reasons. First, the book
> you're
> > referring to uses the PDC preview version of .NET, since that is all
that
> > was available at the time. Second, be prepared for big changes in Beta
2.
> > There are *EXTENSIVE* changes to the namespaces which will require quite
a
> > bit of search and replace, and in some cases a total re-work of code, in
> > order to make your code work.
> > Third, you will have to reformat your machine to install beta 2 if you
> have
> > a prior version installed. DO NOT TAKE THIS STATEMENT LIGHTLY.
> > Uninstalling your current version to make the upgrade WILL NOT WORK.
> > I do agree that the book gives you a good start on understanding the
> > fundamentals of .NET, but the coming changes are quite significant and
may
> > cause quite a bit of grief for people who are finally getting a handle
on
> > .NET.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Peter Ehli" <peteehli@a...>
> > To: "ASP+" <aspx@p...>
> > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 11:19 AM
> > Subject: [aspx] Re: I want to start .net
> >
> >
> > > This is how I stated with .NET and using the VS7 IDE - I sent in 12.00
> to
> > MS
> > > for the beta1 CD which includes everything you need plus SQL server
2000
> > 120
> > > day demo. Then I bought "C# Programming the Public Beta. Just install
> the
> > > beta and read the book and your way ahead of the crowd in you
> > understanding
> > > of topics like assemblies, namspaces ect. and the book is a great
> overview
> > > of the IDE and how to use it.
> > > - Pete Ehli -
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Mitch Denny" <mitch.denny@w...>
> > > To: "ASP+" <aspx@p...>
> > > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 4:40 AM
> > > Subject: [aspx] Re: I want to start .net
> > >
> > >
> > > > Mel,
> > > >
> > > > People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. I remember a
> > > > number beginner questions posted by you as recently as three
> > > > months ago. Give these new starters a chance and give them
> > > > the benefit of your experience, if you don't want to do that
> > > > leave the message alone and let someone else answer it.
> > > >
> > > > To the original poster: As Mel correctly mentioned, there are
> > > > a number of resources available to you. There are the ASP.NET
> > > > Quick starts which should be installed on your local machine
> > > > at the following address:
> > > >
> > > > http://localhost/QuickStart/
> > > >
> > > > If that doesn't work, point your browser at the following
> > > > publically available version:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.gotdotnet.com/QuickStart/
> > > >
> > > > These are a good lead into the ASP.NET technology and the
> > > > http://www.gotdotnet.com web-site is a good jumping point
> > > > to other online resources.
> > > >
> > > > However, most people using working with the Microsoft
> > > > .NET Framework SDK or the Microsoft Visual Studio.NET
> > > > are hand coding solutions. There are not alot of examples
> > > > out there that demonstrate using the IDE exclusively to
> > > > develop a solution.
> > > >
> > > > Anyway, I hope this gives you some starter information.
> > > >
> > > > ----------------------------------------
> > > > - Mitch Denny
> > > > - http://www.warbyte.com
> > > > - mitch.denny@w...
> > > > - +61 (414) 610-141
> > > > -
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Mel C Solomon [mailto:melsolomon@e...]
> > > > > Sent: Monday, 4 June 2001 10:07
> > > > > To: ASP+
> > > > > Subject: [aspx] Re: I want to start .net
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Arrggggsss!I don't want to assumed you already hav e the .Net SDK
> w/c
> > > is
> > > > > need for .Net application (if you have it, why don't you start
> reading
> > > > > before posting annoying questions like this!)...if not, then
> > > > > download it..
> > > > > ...www.asp.net
> > > > > The SDK contains the materials including fantastic QuickStart
> > tutorials
> > > > > that will help you. Just follow the links posted in asp.net and
> > holllah!
> > > > > tons of .Net materials!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > Tips: Try to spend some time reading/searching pls....
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > mel :-)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ASP+ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >I am new to .net and I want to know how to retrieve
> > > > > >data in the simplest form using desinging environment
> > > > > >(i.e through dataset etc.).
> > > > > >
> > > > > >If someone tells me I will be able to develop a
> > > > > >simple application in aspx.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Thanks & Regards
Message #9 by "Peter Ehli" <peteehli@a...> on Tue, 5 Jun 2001 10:14:45 -0700
|
|
Daniel - various points well taken and I do appreciate your input and
"straitening me out on a few facts" so to speak. I guess I need to lighten
up and try to give people the benefit of the doubt. Basically Dan to me an
IMO goes a long way or just the statement "I am privy to various builds for
evaluation and all I can say is there are major changes coming in regards to
beta 2" or "I have inside knowledge that you are going to have to reformat
your machine yada yada yada" :-)
Listserves are a great source of information and what makes them
interesting is you really don't know who you are corresponding with or who
is reading your posts. Listserves from my experience can also be a source of
contention and controversy. These types of posts can be insightful and
informative while others are a huge waste of sever space. An example would
be the java based Tomcat webserver listserve I subscribed to, some people
who posted to that list really hated people who used windows to do their
development and I had to unsubscribe when windows based viruses where
repeatedly being posted. I guess that's one way to get people to start using
Linux! Heck I love the C# listserves and MS newsgroups compared to the java
ones I used to subscribe to. It's great, now I don't have to feel ashamed I
use windows.
Good luck on the book and if it's a Wrox title the odds that it's a good
one are high. Myself I am waiting for a book on C# and ASP.NET exclusively -
no VB. I have nothing against VB I just don't know it. Thanks again Dan, and
I probably unlike some people am anxiously awaiting to format my machine for
beat 2.
- Pete Ehli -
----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel Anderson" <dcanderson@u...>
To: "ASP+" <aspx@p...>
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 7:23 AM
Subject: [aspx] Re: I want to start .net
> Peter,
> There are those of us who have direct knowledge of what is coming in
> post-beta 1 builds even though we do not work for Microsoft. Our NDAs
> obviously prevent us from discussing details, but there are a number of
> people who have been receiving intermediate builds of .NET and have gone
> through the pain and agony of broken builds. Every product has beta
testers
> who have access to intermediate builds, including book authors, partner
> software vendors, and companies identified as being good candidates for
> "test-bedding" software. There ARE (I KNOW FOR A FACT) significant
changes
> in Beta 2, and simply uninstalling Beta 1 will not work.
> And if you take what people tell you in a listserve with a grain of salt,
> why do you even bother participating? Based on your statement, those of
us
> in the listserve don't have any factual basis for our statements anyway.
On
> that note, do you include yourself as being someone whose opinion can be
> taken with a grain of salt? Does there need to be some qualification for
> people who post here?
>
> Furthermore, just because someone is in a listserve does not mean they are
> not knowledgable. In fact, a great number of highly regarded developers,
> from Don Box to Dan Appleman and others, either lurk or participate in
these
> lists because it gives them a chance to see what is going on in the
> community. And there are always things to be learned from reading the
> posts. How often have you found the answer to something you have had a
> problem with as the result of reading a listserve? Despite the fact that
I
> have been working with .NET since the PDC preview and am currently
wrapping
> up a book on it, I still find the listserves a very valuable source of
> information. In fact, I currently participate in over 20 .NET-related
> listserves now. I can always learn from other people, because I will
never
> know everything.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Ehli" <peteehli@a...>
> To: "ASP+" <aspx@p...>
> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 6:21 PM
> Subject: [aspx] Re: I want to start .net
>
>
> > I read somewhere that the code created in beta 1 would be
> > transferable to Beta 2 with no problem - if it isn't it will not be a
big
> > deal for me to redo what I have already done in beta 1 because only
> through
> > repetition can one truly learn new concepts. Also I don't get locked
into
> > anything in the IT world because everything and especially MS products
are
> > in constant flux. The key to being a successful programmer is the
ability
> to
> > consume new concepts today at an exponential rate only to throw
everything
> > you have learned out the door tomorrow in favor of your companies newly
> > implemented language or platform. This is skill that not all people
> possess.
> > Watch and see how many old ASP programmer will try to glom onto VB
script.
> > As far as formatting ones machine - if you can't read the documentation
> > before you install any beta you get what you deserve. Being a successful
> > programmer means you should have at your disposal a mix bag of skill
> sets -
> > and installing and uninstalling OS's, drivers, software ect. is just one
> set
> > of skills needed. The way to acquiring these skill sets is to jump in
and
> > try. Too many people who post to listserves want their hand held every
> step
> > of the way. One post I read recently on a different listserver wanted to
> > know how to maximize and minimize a window using JavaScript and it was a
> C#
> > mailing list. Someone replied with a couple of URL for him to check out,
> and
> > the person reposted and ask if they would code it for them. This person
> was
> > so lazy he could not go the site, do the research, and write the code!
> > Also IMO anything stated as fact for a future beta release from
> > someone on a listserve who is not on the core VS7 development team as
> > software engineer I take with a more than a few grains of salt. If you
> > didn't help design it don't post statements as being factual. If you
have
> > read this on a MS site as fact please provide URL's to support your
> > statements - if it's your opinion then please state it as such with IMO.
> IMO
> > the changes from beta 1 to 2 should be very significant - but to what
> degree
> > is anyone's guess - except the people who wrote the code.
> >
> > - Pete Ehli -
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Daniel Anderson" <dcanderson@u...>
> > To: "ASP+" <aspx@p...>
> > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 2:15 PM
> > Subject: [aspx] Re: I want to start .net
> >
> >
> > > While this IS a great way to get started, don't get "locked in" to how
> you
> > > believe .NET works. I say this for several reasons. First, the book
> > you're
> > > referring to uses the PDC preview version of .NET, since that is all
> that
> > > was available at the time. Second, be prepared for big changes in
Beta
> 2.
> > > There are *EXTENSIVE* changes to the namespaces which will require
quite
> a
> > > bit of search and replace, and in some cases a total re-work of code,
in
> > > order to make your code work.
> > > Third, you will have to reformat your machine to install beta 2 if you
> > have
> > > a prior version installed. DO NOT TAKE THIS STATEMENT LIGHTLY.
> > > Uninstalling your current version to make the upgrade WILL NOT WORK.
> > > I do agree that the book gives you a good start on understanding the
> > > fundamentals of .NET, but the coming changes are quite significant and
> may
> > > cause quite a bit of grief for people who are finally getting a handle
> on
> > > .NET.
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Peter Ehli" <peteehli@a...>
> > > To: "ASP+" <aspx@p...>
> > > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 11:19 AM
> > > Subject: [aspx] Re: I want to start .net
> > >
> > >
> > > > This is how I stated with .NET and using the VS7 IDE - I sent in
12.00
> > to
> > > MS
> > > > for the beta1 CD which includes everything you need plus SQL server
> 2000
> > > 120
> > > > day demo. Then I bought "C# Programming the Public Beta. Just
install
> > the
> > > > beta and read the book and your way ahead of the crowd in you
> > > understanding
> > > > of topics like assemblies, namspaces ect. and the book is a great
> > overview
> > > > of the IDE and how to use it.
> > > > - Pete Ehli -
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Mitch Denny" <mitch.denny@w...>
> > > > To: "ASP+" <aspx@p...>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 4:40 AM
> > > > Subject: [aspx] Re: I want to start .net
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Mel,
> > > > >
> > > > > People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. I remember a
> > > > > number beginner questions posted by you as recently as three
> > > > > months ago. Give these new starters a chance and give them
> > > > > the benefit of your experience, if you don't want to do that
> > > > > leave the message alone and let someone else answer it.
> > > > >
> > > > > To the original poster: As Mel correctly mentioned, there are
> > > > > a number of resources available to you. There are the ASP.NET
> > > > > Quick starts which should be installed on your local machine
> > > > > at the following address:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://localhost/QuickStart/
> > > > >
> > > > > If that doesn't work, point your browser at the following
> > > > > publically available version:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.gotdotnet.com/QuickStart/
> > > > >
> > > > > These are a good lead into the ASP.NET technology and the
> > > > > http://www.gotdotnet.com web-site is a good jumping point
> > > > > to other online resources.
> > > > >
> > > > > However, most people using working with the Microsoft
> > > > > .NET Framework SDK or the Microsoft Visual Studio.NET
> > > > > are hand coding solutions. There are not alot of examples
> > > > > out there that demonstrate using the IDE exclusively to
> > > > > develop a solution.
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyway, I hope this gives you some starter information.
> > > > >
> > > > > ----------------------------------------
> > > > > - Mitch Denny
> > > > > - http://www.warbyte.com
> > > > > - mitch.denny@w...
> > > > > - +61 (414) 610-141
> > > > > -
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Mel C Solomon [mailto:melsolomon@e...]
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, 4 June 2001 10:07
> > > > > > To: ASP+
> > > > > > Subject: [aspx] Re: I want to start .net
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Arrggggsss!I don't want to assumed you already hav e the .Net
SDK
> > w/c
> > > > is
> > > > > > need for .Net application (if you have it, why don't you start
> > reading
> > > > > > before posting annoying questions like this!)...if not, then
> > > > > > download it..
> > > > > > ...www.asp.net
> > > > > > The SDK contains the materials including fantastic QuickStart
> > > tutorials
> > > > > > that will help you. Just follow the links posted in asp.net and
> > > holllah!
> > > > > > tons of .Net materials!!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tips: Try to spend some time reading/searching pls....
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > mel :-)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ASP+ wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >I am new to .net and I want to know how to retrieve
> > > > > > >data in the simplest form using desinging environment
> > > > > > >(i.e through dataset etc.).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >If someone tells me I will be able to develop a
> > > > > > >simple application in aspx.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Thanks & Regards
Message #10 by "Samuel Engelman" <samuel_engelman@p...> on Tue, 5 Jun 2001 13:29:00 -0400
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|
Regarding reformating your machine, I installed an interim build of Bet
a 2
(which I got from MS) after uninstalling Beta 1. My machine crashed and
I
had to reimage the system.
- Sam
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| | "Peter Ehli" |
| | <peteehli@a...> |
| | |
| | |
| | Tuesday June 5, 2001 01:14 PM |
| | Please respond to "ASP+" |
| | |
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> |
| cc:
|
| Subject: [aspx] Re: I want to start .net
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>--------------------------------------------------------------------
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Daniel - various points well taken and I do appreciate your input a
nd
"straitening me out on a few facts" so to speak. I guess I need to ligh
ten
up and try to give people the benefit of the doubt. Basically Dan to me
an
IMO goes a long way or just the statement "I am privy to various builds
for
evaluation and all I can say is there are major changes coming in regar
ds
to
beta 2" or "I have inside knowledge that you are going to have to refor
mat
your machine yada yada yada" :-)
Listserves are a great source of information and what makes them
interesting is you really don't know who you are corresponding with or
who
is reading your posts. Listserves from my experience can also be a sour
ce
of
contention and controversy. These types of posts can be insightful and
informative while others are a huge waste of sever space. An example wo
uld
be the java based Tomcat webserver listserve I subscribed to, some peop
le
who posted to that list really hated people who used windows to do thei
r
development and I had to unsubscribe when windows based viruses where
repeatedly being posted. I guess that's one way to get people to start
using
Linux! Heck I love the C# listserves and MS newsgroups compared to the
java
ones I used to subscribe to. It's great, now I don't have to feel asham
ed I
use windows.
Good luck on the book and if it's a Wrox title the odds that it's a
good
one are high. Myself I am waiting for a book on C# and ASP.NET exclusiv
ely
-
no VB. I have nothing against VB I just don't know it. Thanks again Dan
,
and
I probably unlike some people am anxiously awaiting to format my machin
e
for
beat 2.
- Pete Ehli -
----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel Anderson" <dcanderson@u...>
To: "ASP+" <aspx@p...>
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 7:23 AM
Subject: [aspx] Re: I want to start .net
> Peter,
> There are those of us who have direct knowledge of what is coming in
> post-beta 1 builds even though we do not work for Microsoft. Our NDA
s
> obviously prevent us from discussing details, but there are a number
of
> people who have been receiving intermediate builds of .NET and have g
one
> through the pain and agony of broken builds. Every product has beta
testers
> who have access to intermediate builds, including book authors, partn
er
> software vendors, and companies identified as being good candidates f
or
> "test-bedding" software. There ARE (I KNOW FOR A FACT) significant
changes
> in Beta 2, and simply uninstalling Beta 1 will not work.
> And if you take what people tell you in a listserve with a grain of s
alt,
> why do you even bother participating? Based on your statement, those
of
us
> in the listserve don't have any factual basis for our statements anyw
ay.
On
> that note, do you include yourself as being someone whose opinion can
be
> taken with a grain of salt? Does there need to be some qualification
for
> people who post here?
>
> Furthermore, just because someone is in a listserve does not mean the
y
are
> not knowledgable. In fact, a great number of highly regarded develop
ers,
> from Don Box to Dan Appleman and others, either lurk or participate i
n
these
> lists because it gives them a chance to see what is going on in the
> community. And there are always things to be learned from reading th
e
> posts. How often have you found the answer to something you have had
a
> problem with as the result of reading a listserve? Despite the fact
that
I
> have been working with .NET since the PDC preview and am currently
wrapping
> up a book on it, I still find the listserves a very valuable source o
f
> information. In fact, I currently participate in over 20 .NET-relate
d
> listserves now. I can always learn from other people, because I will
never
> know everything.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Ehli" <peteehli@a...>
> To: "ASP+" <aspx@p...>
> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 6:21 PM
> Subject: [aspx] Re: I want to start .net
>
>
> > I read somewhere that the code created in beta 1 would be
> > transferable to Beta 2 with no problem - if it isn't it will not be
a
big
> > deal for me to redo what I have already done in beta 1 because only
> through
> > repetition can one truly learn new concepts. Also I don't get locke
d
into
> > anything in the IT world because everything and especially MS produ
cts
are
> > in constant flux. The key to being a successful programmer is the
ability
> to
> > consume new concepts today at an exponential rate only to throw
everything
> > you have learned out the door tomorrow in favor of your companies n
ewly
> > implemented language or platform. This is skill that not all people
> possess.
> > Watch and see how many old ASP programmer will try to glom onto VB
script.
> > As far as formatting ones machine - if you can't read the documenta
tion
> > before you install any beta you get what you deserve. Being a
successful
> > programmer means you should have at your disposal a mix bag of skil
l
> sets -
> > and installing and uninstalling OS's, drivers, software ect. is jus
t
one
> set
> > of skills needed. The way to acquiring these skill sets is to jump
in
and
> > try. Too many people who post to listserves want their hand held ev
ery
> step
> > of the way. One post I read recently on a different listserver want
ed
to
> > know how to maximize and minimize a window using JavaScript and it
was
a
> C#
> > mailing list. Someone replied with a couple of URL for him to check
out,
> and
> > the person reposted and ask if they would code it for them. This pe
rson
> was
> > so lazy he could not go the site, do the research, and write the co
de!
> > Also IMO anything stated as fact for a future beta release
from
> > someone on a listserve who is not on the core VS7 development team
as
> > software engineer I take with a more than a few grains of salt. If
you
> > didn't help design it don't post statements as being factual. If yo
u
have
> > read this on a MS site as fact please provide URL's to support your
> > statements - if it's your opinion then please state it as such with
IMO.
> IMO
> > the changes from beta 1 to 2 should be very significant - but to wh
at
> degree
> > is anyone's guess - except the people who wrote the code.
> >
> > - Pete Ehli -
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Daniel Anderson" <dcanderson@u...>
> > To: "ASP+" <aspx@p...>
> > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 2:15 PM
> > Subject: [aspx] Re: I want to start .net
> >
> >
> > > While this IS a great way to get started, don't get "locked in" t
o
how
> you
> > > believe .NET works. I say this for several reasons. First, the
book
> > you're
> > > referring to uses the PDC preview version of .NET, since that is
all
> that
> > > was available at the time. Second, be prepared for big changes i
n
Beta
> 2.
> > > There are *EXTENSIVE* changes to the namespaces which will requir
e
quite
> a
> > > bit of search and replace, and in some cases a total re-work of c
ode,
in
> > > order to make your code work.
> > > Third, you will have to reformat your machine to install beta 2 i
f
you
> > have
> > > a prior version installed. DO NOT TAKE THIS STATEMENT LIGHTLY.
> > > Uninstalling your current version to make the upgrade WILL NOT WO
RK.
> > > I do agree that the book gives you a good start on understanding
the
> > > fundamentals of .NET, but the coming changes are quite significan
t
and
> may
> > > cause quite a bit of grief for people who are finally getting a
handle
> on
> > > .NET.
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Peter Ehli" <peteehli@a...>
> > > To: "ASP+" <aspx@p...>
> > > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 11:19 AM
> > > Subject: [aspx] Re: I want to start .net
> > >
> > >
> > > > This is how I stated with .NET and using the VS7 IDE - I sent i
n
12.00
> > to
> > > MS
> > > > for the beta1 CD which includes everything you need plus SQL se
rver
> 2000
> > > 120
> > > > day demo. Then I bought "C# Programming the Public Beta. Just
install
> > the
> > > > beta and read the book and your way ahead of the crowd in you
> > > understanding
> > > > of topics like assemblies, namspaces ect. and the book is a gre
at
> > overview
> > > > of the IDE and how to use it.
> > > > - Pete Ehli -
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Mitch Denny" <mitch.denny@w...>
> > > > To: "ASP+" <aspx@p...>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 4:40 AM
> > > > Subject: [aspx] Re: I want to start .net
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Mel,
> > > > >
> > > > > People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. I remember a
> > > > > number beginner questions posted by you as recently as three
> > > > > months ago. Give these new starters a chance and give them
> > > > > the benefit of your experience, if you don't want to do that
> > > > > leave the message alone and let someone else answer it.
> > > > >
> > > > > To the original poster: As Mel correctly mentioned, there are
> > > > > a number of resources available to you. There are the ASP.NET
> > > > > Quick starts which should be installed on your local machine
> > > > > at the following address:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://localhost/QuickStart/
> > > > >
> > > > > If that doesn't work, point your browser at the following
> > > > > publically available version:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.gotdotnet.com/QuickStart/
> > > > >
> > > > > These are a good lead into the ASP.NET technology and the
> > > > > http://www.gotdotnet.com web-site is a good jumping point
> > > > > to other online resources.
> > > > >
> > > > > However, most people using working with the Microsoft
> > > > > .NET Framework SDK or the Microsoft Visual Studio.NET
> > > > > are hand coding solutions. There are not alot of examples
> > > > > out there that demonstrate using the IDE exclusively to
> > > > > develop a solution.
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyway, I hope this gives you some starter information.
> > > > >
> > > > > ----------------------------------------
> > > > > - Mitch Denny
> > > > > - http://www.warbyte.com
> > > > > - mitch.denny@w...
> > > > > - +61 (414) 610-141
> > > > > -
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Mel C Solomon [mailto:melsolomon@e...]
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, 4 June 2001 10:07
> > > > > > To: ASP+
> > > > > > Subject: [aspx] Re: I want to start .net
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Arrggggsss!I don't want to assumed you already hav e the .
Net
SDK
> > w/c
> > > > is
> > > > > > need for .Net application (if you have it, why don't you st
art
> > reading
> > > > > > before posting annoying questions like this!)...if not, the
n
> > > > > > download it..
> > > > > > ...www.asp.net
> > > > > > The SDK contains the materials including fantastic QuickSta
rt
> > > tutorials
> > > > > > that will help you. Just follow the links posted in asp.net
and
> > > holllah!
> > > > > > tons of .Net materials!!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tips: Try to spend some time reading/searching pls....
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > mel :-)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ASP+ wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >I am new to .net and I want to know how to retrieve
> > > > > > >data in the simplest form using desinging environment
> > > > > > >(i.e through dataset etc.).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >If someone tells me I will be able to develop a
> > > > > > >simple application in aspx.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Thanks & Regards
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Message #11 by "Daniel Walker" <danielw@w...> on Tue, 5 Jun 2001 19:05:17
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Great! Group hug, guys :)?
Full moderation is quite a task to undertake, and it's sometimes a tough
call to decide whether to even let a message through or not. We've been a
bit short-staffed at P2P these last few weeks for a number of unforseeable
reasons, but we're back up to strength and Wrox have got four full-time
moderators on call to cover all our 170-odd lists and 24400+ susbcribers.
Had this been the case last week, I suspect I might have moved Abdul's
original post onto our aspx_beginners list and settled it all with him off-
list and in private at the time - after all, the beginners list has 718
subscribers, even as I write, so he'd have got an answer and pleanty of
poiters there. As it was, there was just the two of us on last week
covering anything from enterprise Java beans to Corba and Coldfusion and
I'll grant - standards might have slipped.
However, normal service will now resume, and we'll have the time to keep
the focus straight. Point taken, though, fellas: we'll do our best to keep
things on-topic. I'm now doing a night shift, to moderate through all your
points of view and any questions from 6pm to 1am UK time. We'll trake it in
turns throughout the week to do this, so that - Friday's excepted - it
won't matter if you're in Reading UK, or Redmont Washinbgton, the most
you'll need to wait is six hours before your message gets moderated. With
enough hands on the tiller, you can keep things on track and on topic. It's
just that when illness and hoidays cuts your staff down, things might get a
bit crufty. You can rest assured, however: you'll never be asked if you're
a "sexual woman" on any of our listservers - no matter how short staffed we
get ;)!
For my tuppence, I think one of the things that possibly marks Microsoft
out in distinction from Sun Microsystems, is that they grok the power of
listservers and how to use them: a personal reply from someone like Scott
Guthrie or Omri Gazzit carries a lot of weight. The cluetrain Manfesto is
right: the ability for even the largest corporation to make its senior
architects available to explain and justify their products can guarantee
those products a future.
As an asside, I'll gladly reformat my hard drive to be rid of the Beta 1,
as long as the beta 2 don't keep crashing my browser the way the Beta 1
always did: I need my browser to do this job::)!
Thanks, chaps, this actually turned into quite a useful thread, didn't it?
Daniel Walker
Wrox Press
> Daniel - various points well taken and I do appreciate your input and
> "straitening me out on a few facts" so to speak. I guess I need to lighten
> up and try to give people the benefit of the doubt. Basically Dan to me an
> IMO goes a long way or just the statement "I am privy to various builds for
> evaluation and all I can say is there are major changes coming in regards to
> beta 2" or "I have inside knowledge that you are going to have to reformat
> your machine yada yada yada" :-)
>
> Listserves are a great source of information and what makes them
> interesting is you really don't know who you are corresponding with or who
> is reading your posts. Listserves from my experience can also be a source of
> contention and controversy. These types of posts can be insightful and
> informative while others are a huge waste of sever space. An example would
> be the java based Tomcat webserver listserve I subscribed to, some people
> who posted to that list really hated people who used windows to do their
> development and I had to unsubscribe when windows based viruses where
> repeatedly being posted. I guess that's one way to get people to start using
> Linux! Heck I love the C# listserves and MS newsgroups compared to the java
> ones I used to subscribe to. It's great, now I don't have to feel ashamed I
> use windows.
>
> Good luck on the book and if it's a Wrox title the odds that it's a good
> one are high. Myself I am waiting for a book on C# and ASP.NET exclusively -
> no VB. I have nothing against VB I just don't know it. Thanks again Dan, and
> I probably unlike some people am anxiously awaiting to format my machine for
> beat 2.
>
> - Pete Ehli -
>
Message #12 by "Daniel Anderson" <dcanderson@u...> on Tue, 5 Jun 2001 12:43:52 -0600
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Peter,
The book I'm working on is not for Wrox (alas, they never expressed
interest, although several other publishers did), but I CAN point you to a
pure C# book out there by Eric Gunnerson from APress titled "A Programmer's
Introduction to C#", which is just one of several from APress that does a
good job of working with all levels of experience.
hth
Dan Anderson
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Ehli" <peteehli@a...>
To: "ASP+" <aspx@p...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 11:14 AM
Subject: [aspx] Re: I want to start .net
> Daniel - various points well taken and I do appreciate your input and
> "straitening me out on a few facts" so to speak. I guess I need to lighten
> up and try to give people the benefit of the doubt. Basically Dan to me an
> IMO goes a long way or just the statement "I am privy to various builds
for
> evaluation and all I can say is there are major changes coming in regards
to
> beta 2" or "I have inside knowledge that you are going to have to reformat
> your machine yada yada yada" :-)
>
> Listserves are a great source of information and what makes them
> interesting is you really don't know who you are corresponding with or who
> is reading your posts. Listserves from my experience can also be a source
of
> contention and controversy. These types of posts can be insightful and
> informative while others are a huge waste of sever space. An example would
> be the java based Tomcat webserver listserve I subscribed to, some people
> who posted to that list really hated people who used windows to do their
> development and I had to unsubscribe when windows based viruses where
> repeatedly being posted. I guess that's one way to get people to start
using
> Linux! Heck I love the C# listserves and MS newsgroups compared to the
java
> ones I used to subscribe to. It's great, now I don't have to feel ashamed
I
> use windows.
>
> Good luck on the book and if it's a Wrox title the odds that it's a
good
> one are high. Myself I am waiting for a book on C# and ASP.NET
exclusively -
> no VB. I have nothing against VB I just don't know it. Thanks again Dan,
and
> I probably unlike some people am anxiously awaiting to format my machine
for
> beat 2.
>
> - Pete Ehli -
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Daniel Anderson" <dcanderson@u...>
> To: "ASP+" <aspx@p...>
> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 7:23 AM
> Subject: [aspx] Re: I want to start .net
>
>
> > Peter,
> > There are those of us who have direct knowledge of what is coming in
> > post-beta 1 builds even though we do not work for Microsoft. Our NDAs
> > obviously prevent us from discussing details, but there are a number of
> > people who have been receiving intermediate builds of .NET and have gone
> > through the pain and agony of broken builds. Every product has beta
> testers
> > who have access to intermediate builds, including book authors, partner
> > software vendors, and companies identified as being good candidates for
> > "test-bedding" software. There ARE (I KNOW FOR A FACT) significant
> changes
> > in Beta 2, and simply uninstalling Beta 1 will not work.
> > And if you take what people tell you in a listserve with a grain of
salt,
> > why do you even bother participating? Based on your statement, those of
> us
> > in the listserve don't have any factual basis for our statements anyway.
> On
> > that note, do you include yourself as being someone whose opinion can be
> > taken with a grain of salt? Does there need to be some qualification
for
> > people who post here?
> >
> > Furthermore, just because someone is in a listserve does not mean they
are
> > not knowledgable. In fact, a great number of highly regarded
developers,
> > from Don Box to Dan Appleman and others, either lurk or participate in
> these
> > lists because it gives them a chance to see what is going on in the
> > community. And there are always things to be learned from reading the
> > posts. How often have you found the answer to something you have had a
> > problem with as the result of reading a listserve? Despite the fact
that
> I
> > have been working with .NET since the PDC preview and am currently
> wrapping
> > up a book on it, I still find the listserves a very valuable source of
> > information. In fact, I currently participate in over 20 .NET-related
> > listserves now. I can always learn from other people, because I will
> never
> > know everything.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Peter Ehli" <peteehli@a...>
> > To: "ASP+" <aspx@p...>
> > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 6:21 PM
> > Subject: [aspx] Re: I want to start .net
> >
> >
> > > I read somewhere that the code created in beta 1 would be
> > > transferable to Beta 2 with no problem - if it isn't it will not be a
> big
> > > deal for me to redo what I have already done in beta 1 because only
> > through
> > > repetition can one truly learn new concepts. Also I don't get locked
> into
> > > anything in the IT world because everything and especially MS products
> are
> > > in constant flux. The key to being a successful programmer is the
> ability
> > to
> > > consume new concepts today at an exponential rate only to throw
> everything
> > > you have learned out the door tomorrow in favor of your companies
newly
> > > implemented language or platform. This is skill that not all people
> > possess.
> > > Watch and see how many old ASP programmer will try to glom onto VB
> script.
> > > As far as formatting ones machine - if you can't read the
documentation
> > > before you install any beta you get what you deserve. Being a
successful
> > > programmer means you should have at your disposal a mix bag of skill
> > sets -
> > > and installing and uninstalling OS's, drivers, software ect. is just
one
> > set
> > > of skills needed. The way to acquiring these skill sets is to jump in
> and
> > > try. Too many people who post to listserves want their hand held every
> > step
> > > of the way. One post I read recently on a different listserver wanted
to
> > > know how to maximize and minimize a window using JavaScript and it was
a
> > C#
> > > mailing list. Someone replied with a couple of URL for him to check
out,
> > and
> > > the person reposted and ask if they would code it for them. This
person
> > was
> > > so lazy he could not go the site, do the research, and write the code!
> > > Also IMO anything stated as fact for a future beta release
from
> > > someone on a listserve who is not on the core VS7 development team as
> > > software engineer I take with a more than a few grains of salt. If you
> > > didn't help design it don't post statements as being factual. If you
> have
> > > read this on a MS site as fact please provide URL's to support your
> > > statements - if it's your opinion then please state it as such with
IMO.
> > IMO
> > > the changes from beta 1 to 2 should be very significant - but to what
> > degree
> > > is anyone's guess - except the people who wrote the code.
> > >
> > > - Pete Ehli -
> > >
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