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aspx thread: User Interface Software
Message #1 by Terrence Joubert <Terrence@v...> on Mon, 29 Jul 2002 15:41:58 +0400
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Hi,
At my company, we have a team of developers that traditionally developed
distributed applications for Windows using VB 6, PowerBuilder 6/7/8, and
Visual C++ 6.
With ASP .NET, we realize that we can actually design web-based user
interfaces for the components of our applications. We are not professional
web designers and we are currently weighing our options of whether to hire a
web designer or purchase web design software that can generate professional
web user interfaces.
I am researching for such software. Currently, I am looking at Macromedia
Dreamweaver MX. It looks cool, but I still have a lot more to test with it.
I will welcome suggestions for some more such software products from anyone
- especially one that integrates well with Visual Studio .NET.
Thanks
Terrence J. Joubert
Software Engineer
VCS, PO BOX 1000
Victoria, Mahe
Seychelles
Message #2 by Feduke Cntr Charles R <FedukeCR@m...> on Mon, 29 Jul 2002 08:30:12 -0400
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Terrence,
> With ASP .NET, we realize that we can actually design web-based user
> interfaces for the components of our applications.
Ouch. The false goal of web enablement - taking that which could be secure
and cracking the foundations of safety for the stateless protocol everyone
wants to downgrade to.
I will make the assumption that you are developing an application that sits
on a corporate LAN behind a firewall. That, or you're planning on running
an instance of IIS on every box your application runs on?
> We are not professional
> web designers and we are currently weighing our options of whether to hire
a
> web designer or purchase web design software that can generate
professional
> web user interfaces.
If its got to be a web application, then its got to be done right. If
you're not professional web developers, then professional web development
software probably won't meet your needs. The best tool for working with
ASP.NET is Visual Studio .NET itself - and with code behind your web
developer can write the front ends you need while your team develops the
business logic that runs behind the interface. In fact, if you're good, you
can write the logic to accept multiple front-ends (ASP.NET web pages, web
services, and Windows Forms for example).
A WYSIWYG editor is great for personal home pages or small business stuff,
but it doesn't have the crisp feel of something professional. Its my
opinion that a professional web developer could be the best purchase you
could make in regards to your project's appearance.
- Chuck
-----Original Message-----
From: Terrence Joubert [mailto:Terrence@v...]
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 7:42 AM
To: ASP+
Subject: [aspx] User Interface Software
Hi,
At my company, we have a team of developers that traditionally developed
distributed applications for Windows using VB 6, PowerBuilder 6/7/8, and
Visual C++ 6.
With ASP .NET, we realize that we can actually design web-based user
interfaces for the components of our applications. We are not professional
web designers and we are currently weighing our options of whether to hire a
web designer or purchase web design software that can generate professional
web user interfaces.
I am researching for such software. Currently, I am looking at Macromedia
Dreamweaver MX. It looks cool, but I still have a lot more to test with it.
I will welcome suggestions for some more such software products from anyone
- especially one that integrates well with Visual Studio .NET.
Thanks
Terrence J. Joubert
Software Engineer
VCS, PO BOX 1000
Victoria, Mahe
Seychelles
Message #3 by Terrence Joubert <Terrence@v...> on Mon, 29 Jul 2002 16:26:47 +0400
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Chuck,
I do not think you get me right. The components that we have for our
applications are based on COM and they have Windows User Interfaces.
What we want is a Web User Interface and perhaps another built on the
Microsoft Mobile Internet Toolkit so that we can target a market segment of
customers with 'virtual organizations'. We are already researching on COM
Interop to make that happen. The actual coding and data handling for the
user interface can be done by us - we are not web professionals, but we do
have web experience and we do understand the concepts of security and
performance, but we need someone or something that can make it 'look cool'
by having the proper layouts and implementing the proper graphics and
multimedia.
For now, Dreamweaver MX is the best candidate I've come across, I am still
looking...
Sometimes being developers we have a tendency to look at things from a
development point of view. However, in the process of decision making, I
have to analyze the most cost-effective approach to project management and
simply hiring somebody to design layouts and style sheets is not a good
decision - especially not with the current economic conditions.
Thanks Chuck.
Terrence J. Joubert
Software Engineer
VCS, PO BOX 1000
Victoria, Mahe
Seychelles
-----Original Message-----
From: Feduke Cntr Charles R [mailto:FedukeCR@m...]
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 4:30 PM
To: ASP+
Subject: [aspx] RE: User Interface Software
Terrence,
> With ASP .NET, we realize that we can actually design web-based user
> interfaces for the components of our applications.
Ouch. The false goal of web enablement - taking that which could be secure
and cracking the foundations of safety for the stateless protocol everyone
wants to downgrade to.
I will make the assumption that you are developing an application that sits
on a corporate LAN behind a firewall. That, or you're planning on running
an instance of IIS on every box your application runs on?
> We are not professional
> web designers and we are currently weighing our options of whether to hire
a
> web designer or purchase web design software that can generate
professional
> web user interfaces.
If its got to be a web application, then its got to be done right. If
you're not professional web developers, then professional web development
software probably won't meet your needs. The best tool for working with
ASP.NET is Visual Studio .NET itself - and with code behind your web
developer can write the front ends you need while your team develops the
business logic that runs behind the interface. In fact, if you're good, you
can write the logic to accept multiple front-ends (ASP.NET web pages, web
services, and Windows Forms for example).
A WYSIWYG editor is great for personal home pages or small business stuff,
but it doesn't have the crisp feel of something professional. Its my
opinion that a professional web developer could be the best purchase you
could make in regards to your project's appearance.
- Chuck
-----Original Message-----
From: Terrence Joubert [mailto:Terrence@v...]
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 7:42 AM
To: ASP+
Subject: [aspx] User Interface Software
Hi,
At my company, we have a team of developers that traditionally developed
distributed applications for Windows using VB 6, PowerBuilder 6/7/8, and
Visual C++ 6.
With ASP .NET, we realize that we can actually design web-based user
interfaces for the components of our applications. We are not professional
web designers and we are currently weighing our options of whether to hire a
web designer or purchase web design software that can generate professional
web user interfaces.
I am researching for such software. Currently, I am looking at Macromedia
Dreamweaver MX. It looks cool, but I still have a lot more to test with it.
I will welcome suggestions for some more such software products from anyone
- especially one that integrates well with Visual Studio .NET.
Thanks
Terrence J. Joubert
Software Engineer
VCS, PO BOX 1000
Victoria, Mahe
Seychelles
Message #4 by Feduke Cntr Charles R <FedukeCR@m...> on Mon, 29 Jul 2002 09:34:45 -0400
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Terrence,
> performance, but we need someone or something that can make it 'look cool'
> by having the proper layouts and implementing the proper graphics and
> multimedia.
I still think you're looking for a someone. :)
> For now, Dreamweaver MX is the best candidate I've come across, I am still
> looking...
Then you've probably found the best professional web development software.
Its still not going to make the best design decisions for you, like which
colors work well and what fonts help the most with the layout of the page.
Just like you don't let an engine mechanic at a garage paint your car -
that's a job for professional car painters - you don't let developers make
web front ends.
> development point of view. However, in the process of decision making, I
> have to analyze the most cost-effective approach to project management and
> simply hiring somebody to design layouts and style sheets is not a good
Maybe having developers make the web interface now in Dreamweaver MX, and if
the project is a hit and generates enough revenue, hire someone to
reconstruct the interface later. Probably not the most cost-effective, but
the most realistic for your situation.
> especially not with the current economic conditions.
Nothing quite like innovation stifling economy, is there? :)
Putting my "you've got to have the right person for the job" mentality
aside, and an answer to your original question, its probably easiest to use
Visual Studio .NET to develop ASP.NET frontends. This is because of the
number of XML-like tags that you find in ASP.NET (similiar to JSP). You
could always make the design in another product, and then bring the HTML
source code over and add/alter the tags as appropriate, but this is
nightmarish if not implemented correctly (design templates come to mind).
I'm sure this is what you've planned - in this case you're going to want the
product with the best reviews which appears to be Dreamweaver MX. If you're
looking for what products -NOT- to use, it almost goes without saying to
stay away from FrontPage, Word, or whatever environment produces that crappy
*.cfm (ColdFusion) stuff.
- Chuck
-----Original Message-----
From: Terrence Joubert [mailto:Terrence@v...]
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 8:27 AM
To: ASP+
Subject: [aspx] RE: User Interface Software
Chuck,
I do not think you get me right. The components that we have for our
applications are based on COM and they have Windows User Interfaces.
What we want is a Web User Interface and perhaps another built on the
Microsoft Mobile Internet Toolkit so that we can target a market segment of
customers with 'virtual organizations'. We are already researching on COM
Interop to make that happen. The actual coding and data handling for the
user interface can be done by us - we are not web professionals, but we do
have web experience and we do understand the concepts of security and
performance, but we need someone or something that can make it 'look cool'
by having the proper layouts and implementing the proper graphics and
multimedia.
For now, Dreamweaver MX is the best candidate I've come across, I am still
looking...
Sometimes being developers we have a tendency to look at things from a
development point of view. However, in the process of decision making, I
have to analyze the most cost-effective approach to project management and
simply hiring somebody to design layouts and style sheets is not a good
decision - especially not with the current economic conditions.
Thanks Chuck.
Terrence J. Joubert
Software Engineer
VCS, PO BOX 1000
Victoria, Mahe
Seychelles
-----Original Message-----
From: Feduke Cntr Charles R [mailto:FedukeCR@m...]
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 4:30 PM
To: ASP+
Subject: [aspx] RE: User Interface Software
Terrence,
> With ASP .NET, we realize that we can actually design web-based user
> interfaces for the components of our applications.
Ouch. The false goal of web enablement - taking that which could be secure
and cracking the foundations of safety for the stateless protocol everyone
wants to downgrade to.
I will make the assumption that you are developing an application that sits
on a corporate LAN behind a firewall. That, or you're planning on running
an instance of IIS on every box your application runs on?
> We are not professional
> web designers and we are currently weighing our options of whether to hire
a
> web designer or purchase web design software that can generate
professional
> web user interfaces.
If its got to be a web application, then its got to be done right. If
you're not professional web developers, then professional web development
software probably won't meet your needs. The best tool for working with
ASP.NET is Visual Studio .NET itself - and with code behind your web
developer can write the front ends you need while your team develops the
business logic that runs behind the interface. In fact, if you're good, you
can write the logic to accept multiple front-ends (ASP.NET web pages, web
services, and Windows Forms for example).
A WYSIWYG editor is great for personal home pages or small business stuff,
but it doesn't have the crisp feel of something professional. Its my
opinion that a professional web developer could be the best purchase you
could make in regards to your project's appearance.
- Chuck
-----Original Message-----
From: Terrence Joubert [mailto:Terrence@v...]
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 7:42 AM
To: ASP+
Subject: [aspx] User Interface Software
Hi,
At my company, we have a team of developers that traditionally developed
distributed applications for Windows using VB 6, PowerBuilder 6/7/8, and
Visual C++ 6.
With ASP .NET, we realize that we can actually design web-based user
interfaces for the components of our applications. We are not professional
web designers and we are currently weighing our options of whether to hire a
web designer or purchase web design software that can generate professional
web user interfaces.
I am researching for such software. Currently, I am looking at Macromedia
Dreamweaver MX. It looks cool, but I still have a lot more to test with it.
I will welcome suggestions for some more such software products from anyone
- especially one that integrates well with Visual Studio .NET.
Thanks
Terrence J. Joubert
Software Engineer
VCS, PO BOX 1000
Victoria, Mahe
Seychelles
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