Hi:

I'm using the Beta 2 version of Visual Studio.NET.

I can create files that use Codebehind and multiple file w/ classes w/in 
my namespace.

I run the debug >> start and it displays the page just fine. I can even 
access the public methods from all the classes in all the files.

I notice that there's a "Bin" directory and that 2 files are in it, one is 
a dll.

I understand that the first time an app is run that it supposedly creates 
the dll and then after that the dll is run . . .

BUT

When I port the files to my real Web server (not my development machine) 
which is running the latest version of the .NET framework, the application 
doesn't work.

If I just create simple files w/ an .aspx extension they're fine. As soon 
as I try anything fancy, like Codebehind it can't load the form class.

Also, even for the files that work, I never see a dll or a bin directory.

So, DO I NEED THE Visual Studio.net IDE to develop advanced ASP.NET pages?
Any idea what my problem is? 
Someone said I was compiling in a beta and trying to run it on a 
production framework. That was causing the problem.

?????

I don't know the answer to your question but this seems like a situation
where you might want to download webmatrix from asp.net and check it out
-- it's free from microsoft.


-----Original Message-----
From: marl@s... [mailto:marl@s...] 
Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 11:20 PM
To: ASP.NET
Subject: [aspx] Is the IDE Mandatory for Codebehind (please read)


Hi:

I'm using the Beta 2 version of Visual Studio.NET.

I can create files that use Codebehind and multiple file w/ classes w/in

my namespace.

I run the debug >> start and it displays the page just fine. I can even 
access the public methods from all the classes in all the files.

I notice that there's a "Bin" directory and that 2 files are in it, one
is 
a dll.

I understand that the first time an app is run that it supposedly
creates 
the dll and then after that the dll is run . . .

BUT

When I port the files to my real Web server (not my development machine)

which is running the latest version of the .NET framework, the
application 
doesn't work.

If I just create simple files w/ an .aspx extension they're fine. As
soon 
as I try anything fancy, like Codebehind it can't load the form class.

Also, even for the files that work, I never see a dll or a bin
directory.

So, DO I NEED THE Visual Studio.net IDE to develop advanced ASP.NET
pages? Any idea what my problem is? 
Someone said I was compiling in a beta and trying to run it on a 
production framework. That was causing the problem.

?????

Your web server (IIS) may need your virtual directory set up as an
application instead of just a regular web-accessible folder. Do you have
sufficient permissions to make changes on the IIS hosting box?

-Ryan

-----Original Message-----
From: marl@s... [mailto:marl@s...] 
Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 11:20 PM
To: ASP.NET
Subject: [aspx] Is the IDE Mandatory for Codebehind (please read)

Hi:

I'm using the Beta 2 version of Visual Studio.NET.

I can create files that use Codebehind and multiple file w/ classes w/in 
my namespace.

I run the debug >> start and it displays the page just fine. I can even 
access the public methods from all the classes in all the files.

I notice that there's a "Bin" directory and that 2 files are in it, one is 
a dll.

I understand that the first time an app is run that it supposedly creates 
the dll and then after that the dll is run . . .

BUT

When I port the files to my real Web server (not my development machine) 
which is running the latest version of the .NET framework, the application 
doesn't work.

If I just create simple files w/ an .aspx extension they're fine. As soon 
as I try anything fancy, like Codebehind it can't load the form class.

Also, even for the files that work, I never see a dll or a bin directory.

So, DO I NEED THE Visual Studio.net IDE to develop advanced ASP.NET pages?
Any idea what my problem is? 
Someone said I was compiling in a beta and trying to run it on a 
production framework. That was causing the problem.

?????

Thanks Ryan:
Yea I have full control of the IIS and the sites are set up as 
applications.
I think I'm dealing with "precompile" from a beta version of Visual Studio 
NET
> Your web server (IIS) may need your virtual directory set up as an
application instead of just a regular web-accessible folder. Do you have
sufficient permissions to make changes on the IIS hosting box?

-Ryan

-----Original Message-----
From: marl@s... [mailto:marl@s...] 
Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 11:20 PM
To: ASP.NET
Subject: [aspx] Is the IDE Mandatory for Codebehind (please read)

Hi:

I'm using the Beta 2 version of Visual Studio.NET.

I can create files that use Codebehind and multiple file w/ classes w/in 
my namespace.

I run the debug >> start and it displays the page just fine. I can even 
access the public methods from all the classes in all the files.

I notice that there's a "Bin" directory and that 2 files are in it, one is 
a dll.

I understand that the first time an app is run that it supposedly creates 
the dll and then after that the dll is run . . .

BUT

When I port the files to my real Web server (not my development machine) 
which is running the latest version of the .NET framework, the application 
doesn't work.

If I just create simple files w/ an .aspx extension they're fine. As soon 
as I try anything fancy, like Codebehind it can't load the form class.

Also, even for the files that work, I never see a dll or a bin directory.

So, DO I NEED THE Visual Studio.net IDE to develop advanced ASP.NET pages?
Any idea what my problem is? 
Someone said I was compiling in a beta and trying to run it on a 
production framework. That was causing the problem.

?????

> I don't know the answer to your question but this seems like a situation
where you might want to download webmatrix from asp.net and check it out
-- it's free from microsoft.

thank you, Thank you. THANK YOU!!
YES!! That's what I needed. I had to reinstall the .NET Framework but it 
works. 
I don't see that it maintains projects or precompiles applications.
Do you know how I can use multiple files (like a file SvrFunctions.cs) all 
w/in a given namespace with WebMatrix?

Again, THANKS!

-----Original Message-----
From: marl@s... [mailto:marl@s...] 
Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 11:20 PM
To: ASP.NET
Subject: [aspx] Is the IDE Mandatory for Codebehind (please read)


Hi:

I'm using the Beta 2 version of Visual Studio.NET.

I can create files that use Codebehind and multiple file w/ classes w/in

my namespace.

I run the debug >> start and it displays the page just fine. I can even 
access the public methods from all the classes in all the files.

I notice that there's a "Bin" directory and that 2 files are in it, one
is 
a dll.

I understand that the first time an app is run that it supposedly
creates 
the dll and then after that the dll is run . . .

BUT

When I port the files to my real Web server (not my development machine)

which is running the latest version of the .NET framework, the
application 
doesn't work.

If I just create simple files w/ an .aspx extension they're fine. As
soon 
as I try anything fancy, like Codebehind it can't load the form class.

Also, even for the files that work, I never see a dll or a bin
directory.

So, DO I NEED THE Visual Studio.net IDE to develop advanced ASP.NET
pages? Any idea what my problem is? 
Someone said I was compiling in a beta and trying to run it on a 
production framework. That was causing the problem.

?????

I don't use webmatrix personally but you might be able to get answers on
asp.net, maybe in the forums section. The source code for the forum on
asp.net is freely available and is an ongoing webmatrix C# project. I've
viewed the forum source and it looks to me like a very well written
object oriented app. I'd say webmatrix is a good tool for serious
development if you can't get your hands on vs.net.


-----Original Message-----
From: marl@s... [mailto:marl@s...] 
Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 5:15 PM
To: ASP.NET
Subject: [aspx] RE: Is the IDE Mandatory for Codebehind (please read)


> I don't know the answer to your question but this seems like a 
> situation
where you might want to download webmatrix from asp.net and check it out
-- it's free from microsoft.

thank you, Thank you. THANK YOU!!
YES!! That's what I needed. I had to reinstall the .NET Framework but it

works. 
I don't see that it maintains projects or precompiles applications. Do
you know how I can use multiple files (like a file SvrFunctions.cs) all 
w/in a given namespace with WebMatrix?

Again, THANKS!

-----Original Message-----
From: marl@s... [mailto:marl@s...] 
Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 11:20 PM
To: ASP.NET
Subject: [aspx] Is the IDE Mandatory for Codebehind (please read)


Hi:

I'm using the Beta 2 version of Visual Studio.NET.

I can create files that use Codebehind and multiple file w/ classes w/in

my namespace.

I run the debug >> start and it displays the page just fine. I can even 
access the public methods from all the classes in all the files.

I notice that there's a "Bin" directory and that 2 files are in it, one
is 
a dll.

I understand that the first time an app is run that it supposedly
creates 
the dll and then after that the dll is run . . .

BUT

When I port the files to my real Web server (not my development machine)

which is running the latest version of the .NET framework, the
application 
doesn't work.

If I just create simple files w/ an .aspx extension they're fine. As
soon 
as I try anything fancy, like Codebehind it can't load the form class.

Also, even for the files that work, I never see a dll or a bin
directory.

So, DO I NEED THE Visual Studio.net IDE to develop advanced ASP.NET
pages? Any idea what my problem is? 
Someone said I was compiling in a beta and trying to run it on a 
production framework. That was causing the problem.

?????

use codebehind attribute in aspx to specify where that file has been placed
in directory

Regards
Rohit Arora
Intersolutions (P) Ltd
B - 21, Sector 58,
Noida - 201301
Tel : 91-2585703/04/05 Extn: 229


-----Original Message-----
From: marl@s... [mailto:marl@s...]
Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 5:15 PM
To: ASP.NET
Subject: [aspx] RE: Is the IDE Mandatory for Codebehind (please read)


> I don't know the answer to your question but this seems like a situation
where you might want to download webmatrix from asp.net and check it out
-- it's free from microsoft.

thank you, Thank you. THANK YOU!!
YES!! That's what I needed. I had to reinstall the .NET Framework but it
works.
I don't see that it maintains projects or precompiles applications.
Do you know how I can use multiple files (like a file SvrFunctions.cs) all
w/in a given namespace with WebMatrix?

Again, THANKS!

-----Original Message-----
From: marl@s... [mailto:marl@s...]
Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 11:20 PM
To: ASP.NET
Subject: [aspx] Is the IDE Mandatory for Codebehind (please read)


Hi:

I'm using the Beta 2 version of Visual Studio.NET.

I can create files that use Codebehind and multiple file w/ classes w/in

my namespace.

I run the debug >> start and it displays the page just fine. I can even
access the public methods from all the classes in all the files.

I notice that there's a "Bin" directory and that 2 files are in it, one
is
a dll.

I understand that the first time an app is run that it supposedly
creates
the dll and then after that the dll is run . . .

BUT

When I port the files to my real Web server (not my development machine)

which is running the latest version of the .NET framework, the
application
doesn't work.

If I just create simple files w/ an .aspx extension they're fine. As
soon
as I try anything fancy, like Codebehind it can't load the form class.

Also, even for the files that work, I never see a dll or a bin
directory.

So, DO I NEED THE Visual Studio.net IDE to develop advanced ASP.NET
pages? Any idea what my problem is?
Someone said I was compiling in a beta and trying to run it on a
production framework. That was causing the problem.

?????

In response to some of your questions:

a) I suspect that your beta version of VS.Net is targetting a beta version
of the framework, so your .dlls won't work if you copy them to a
"production" webserver that is running the released version of the .Net
Framework (not Beta 2 of the Framework). You need to get VS.Net 2002 (the
released version) to target the current released Framework. If you install
ASP.Net v1.1 you'll need to get VS.Net 2003

b) You can still use Code Behind - if you don't manually compile the
application, then you need to copy the .cs or .vb files onto the server
along with your .aspx pages -or- you can manually compile your .cs and .vb
files using the command line compilers. The VB.Net compiler is called
vbc.exe. I can't remember the C# compiler name off the top of my head. Both
(using the /t:library switch) allow you to create a .dll from your class
files (.cs or .vb), which you place in the /bin directory of your web app

Cheers
Ken

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: <marl@s...>
Subject: [aspx] RE: Is the IDE Mandatory for Codebehind (please read)


: > I don't know the answer to your question but this seems like a situation
: where you might want to download webmatrix from asp.net and check it out
: -- it's free from microsoft.
:
: thank you, Thank you. THANK YOU!!
: YES!! That's what I needed. I had to reinstall the .NET Framework but it
: works.
: I don't see that it maintains projects or precompiles applications.
: Do you know how I can use multiple files (like a file SvrFunctions.cs) all
: w/in a given namespace with WebMatrix?
:
: Again, THANKS!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

So does that means Ken that development framework and production framework
has to be same. What about a legacy application I mean to say which was
developed in Beta versions. For eg: You have a server which host 2 aspx
sites, one was developed in Beta version and the other using final release.
Is there any way to deploy both of them on same server having just one
framework or you have to put it on diffrent machines having respective
framework or u can/can u install both framework on same machine and specify
ur application to use this version of framework ?

Regards
Rohit Arora
Intersolutions (P) Ltd
B - 21, Sector 58,
Noida - 201301
Tel : 91-2585703/04/05 Extn: 229


-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:ken@a...]
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 11:37 AM
To: ASP.NET
Subject: [aspx] RE: Is the IDE Mandatory for Codebehind (please read)


In response to some of your questions:

a) I suspect that your beta version of VS.Net is targetting a beta version
of the framework, so your .dlls won't work if you copy them to a
"production" webserver that is running the released version of the .Net
Framework (not Beta 2 of the Framework). You need to get VS.Net 2002 (the
released version) to target the current released Framework. If you install
ASP.Net v1.1 you'll need to get VS.Net 2003

b) You can still use Code Behind - if you don't manually compile the
application, then you need to copy the .cs or .vb files onto the server
along with your .aspx pages -or- you can manually compile your .cs and .vb
files using the command line compilers. The VB.Net compiler is called
vbc.exe. I can't remember the C# compiler name off the top of my head. Both
(using the /t:library switch) allow you to create a .dll from your class
files (.cs or .vb), which you place in the /bin directory of your web app

Cheers
Ken

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: <marl@s...>
Subject: [aspx] RE: Is the IDE Mandatory for Codebehind (please read)


: > I don't know the answer to your question but this seems like a situation
: where you might want to download webmatrix from asp.net and check it out
: -- it's free from microsoft.
:
: thank you, Thank you. THANK YOU!!
: YES!! That's what I needed. I had to reinstall the .NET Framework but it
: works.
: I don't see that it maintains projects or precompiles applications.
: Do you know how I can use multiple files (like a file SvrFunctions.cs) all
: w/in a given namespace with WebMatrix?
:
: Again, THANKS!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> use codebehind attribute in aspx to specify where that file has been 
placed
in directory

Thanks. Codebehind= only works with a precompiling RAD tool like Visual 
Studio .NET. I did use Src= which worked fine. It turns out that w/out 
VS.NET (or equivalent) I had to use the command line to compile my 
SvrClasses dll, drop it into a "bin" directory on the root. Then the code 
behind page recognized the classes in my SvrClasses.cs file.

Regards
Rohit Arora
Intersolutions (P) Ltd
B - 21, Sector 58,
Noida - 201301
Tel : 91-2585703/04/05 Extn: 229


-----Original Message-----
From: marl@s... [mailto:marl@s...]
Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 5:15 PM
To: ASP.NET
Subject: [aspx] RE: Is the IDE Mandatory for Codebehind (please read)


> I don't know the answer to your question but this seems like a situation
where you might want to download webmatrix from asp.net and check it out
-- it's free from microsoft.

thank you, Thank you. THANK YOU!!
YES!! That's what I needed. I had to reinstall the .NET Framework but it
works.
I don't see that it maintains projects or precompiles applications.
Do you know how I can use multiple files (like a file SvrFunctions.cs) all
w/in a given namespace with WebMatrix?

Again, THANKS!

-----Original Message-----
From: marl@s... [mailto:marl@s...]
Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 11:20 PM
To: ASP.NET
Subject: [aspx] Is the IDE Mandatory for Codebehind (please read)


Hi:

I'm using the Beta 2 version of Visual Studio.NET.

I can create files that use Codebehind and multiple file w/ classes w/in

my namespace.

I run the debug >> start and it displays the page just fine. I can even
access the public methods from all the classes in all the files.

I notice that there's a "Bin" directory and that 2 files are in it, one
is
a dll.

I understand that the first time an app is run that it supposedly
creates
the dll and then after that the dll is run . . .

BUT

When I port the files to my real Web server (not my development machine)

which is running the latest version of the .NET framework, the
application
doesn't work.

If I just create simple files w/ an .aspx extension they're fine. As
soon
as I try anything fancy, like Codebehind it can't load the form class.

Also, even for the files that work, I never see a dll or a bin
directory.

So, DO I NEED THE Visual Studio.net IDE to develop advanced ASP.NET
pages? Any idea what my problem is?
Someone said I was compiling in a beta and trying to run it on a
production framework. That was causing the problem.

?????

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: "Rohit Arora" <rohit_arora@i...>
Subject: [aspx] RE: Is the IDE Mandatory for Codebehind (please read)


: So does that means Ken that development framework and production framework
: has to be same. What about a legacy application I mean to say which was
: developed in Beta versions. For eg: You have a server which host 2 aspx
: sites, one was developed in Beta version and the other using final
release.
: Is there any way to deploy both of them on same server having just one
: framework or you have to put it on diffrent machines having respective
: framework or u can/can u install both framework on same machine and
specify
: ur application to use this version of framework
?~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You can install multiple versions of the Framework (not sure about Beta
versions), and they will work as outlined on this page:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/netframework/productinfo/versioncomparison/default
.asp

Also, more information on upgrading applications to future versions of the
Framework is here:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnnetdep/ht
ml/sidexsidenet.asp

Cheers
Ken

Yea, you're right. I wish I could afford VS.NET (or really MSDN Universal) 
but I can't right now. 
Programmers don't seem to be in demand anymore.

I found that if I compiled my .cs files using command line csc, I can 
compile all my *.cs files into one dll. I'm not positive that's optimal 
but it works.

Thanks for your response.
> In response to some of your questions:

a) I suspect that your beta version of VS.Net is targetting a beta version
of the framework, so your .dlls won't work if you copy them to a
"production" webserver that is running the released version of the .Net
Framework (not Beta 2 of the Framework). You need to get VS.Net 2002 (the
released version) to target the current released Framework. If you install
ASP.Net v1.1 you'll need to get VS.Net 2003

b) You can still use Code Behind - if you don't manually compile the
application, then you need to copy the .cs or .vb files onto the server
along with your .aspx pages -or- you can manually compile your .cs and .vb
files using the command line compilers. The VB.Net compiler is called
vbc.exe. I can't remember the C# compiler name off the top of my head. Both
(using the /t:library switch) allow you to create a .dll from your class
files (.cs or .vb), which you place in the /bin directory of your web app

Cheers
Ken

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: <marl@s...>
Subject: [aspx] RE: Is the IDE Mandatory for Codebehind (please read)


: > I don't know the answer to your question but this seems like a 
situation
: where you might want to download webmatrix from asp.net and check it out
: -- it's free from microsoft.
:
: thank you, Thank you. THANK YOU!!
: YES!! That's what I needed. I had to reinstall the .NET Framework but it
: works.
: I don't see that it maintains projects or precompiles applications.
: Do you know how I can use multiple files (like a file SvrFunctions.cs) 
all
: w/in a given namespace with WebMatrix?
:
: Again, THANKS!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: "Rohit Arora" <rohit_arora@i...>
Subject: [aspx] RE: Is the IDE Mandatory for Codebehind (please read)

It looks like you can install both but I'm sure you'll make a mess. I'd 
say your best bet is to recompile the applications in a current version of 
VS.NET.

My main concern is, you write apps in C# and then deploy them. Does the 
client's framework version have to be the same as the developer's 
framework even if neither is a beta? If so, that pretty much renders 
commercial software apps. in .NET useless.

: So does that means Ken that development framework and production 
framework
: has to be same. What about a legacy application I mean to say which was
: developed in Beta versions. For eg: You have a server which host 2 aspx
: sites, one was developed in Beta version and the other using final
release.
: Is there any way to deploy both of them on same server having just one
: framework or you have to put it on diffrent machines having respective
: framework or u can/can u install both framework on same machine and
specify
: ur application to use this version of framework
?~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You can install multiple versions of the Framework (not sure about Beta
versions), and they will work as outlined on this page:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/netframework/productinfo/versioncomparison/defaul
t
.asp

Also, more information on upgrading applications to future versions of the
Framework is here:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-
us/dnnetdep/ht
ml/sidexsidenet.asp

Cheers
Ken

: My main concern is, you write apps in C# and then deploy them. Does the
: client's framework version have to be the same as the developer's
: framework even if neither is a beta? If so, that pretty much renders
: commercial software apps. in .NET useless.

You'll need to ship the .Net redistributable with your WinForms app.
-or-
(as per one of the links I posted) you need to write your application to use
a mininum standard (eg write your code so that it only uses features in .Net
v1)

In any case, what if your client doesn't have the Framework at all? You'll
need to ship a Framework redistributable. Furture versions of Windows will
ship with at least one Framework as part of the OS.

This is similar to how VB worked before - you needed the appropriate VB
runtime on the client's machine. It's also how desktop Java apps work - you
need an appropriate JVM on the client's machine.

Cheers
Ken


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: <marl@s...>
To: "ASP.NET" <aspx@p...>
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 11:59 PM
Subject: [aspx] RE: Is the IDE Mandatory for Codebehind (please read)


: > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: From: "Rohit Arora" <rohit_arora@i...>
: Subject: [aspx] RE: Is the IDE Mandatory for Codebehind (please read)
:
: It looks like you can install both but I'm sure you'll make a mess. I'd
: say your best bet is to recompile the applications in a current version of
: VS.NET.
:
: My main concern is, you write apps in C# and then deploy them. Does the
: client's framework version have to be the same as the developer's
: framework even if neither is a beta? If so, that pretty much renders
: commercial software apps. in .NET useless.
:
: : So does that means Ken that development framework and production
: framework
: : has to be same. What about a legacy application I mean to say which was
: : developed in Beta versions. For eg: You have a server which host 2 aspx
: : sites, one was developed in Beta version and the other using final
: release.
: : Is there any way to deploy both of them on same server having just one
: : framework or you have to put it on diffrent machines having respective
: : framework or u can/can u install both framework on same machine and
: specify
: : ur application to use this version of framework
: ?~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
:
: You can install multiple versions of the Framework (not sure about Beta
: versions), and they will work as outlined on this page:
:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/netframework/productinfo/versioncomparison/defaul
: t
: .asp
:
: Also, more information on upgrading applications to future versions of the
: Framework is here:
: http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-
: us/dnnetdep/ht
: ml/sidexsidenet.asp
:
: Cheers
: Ken
: