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aspx_beginners thread: VS.Net ADO.Net Controls
Message #1 by "jude the obscure" <jude@j...> on Mon, 11 Feb 2002 20:22:45 -0600
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Though most of my ADO stuff is currently hand-coded, I thought the new
VS.Net(VB) IDE might offer some short cuts worth looking into. My
question:
Is it possible to use the VB.Net Data controls in an .aspx project
WITHOUT having to do any manual coding?
Stated another way, is some manual coding always required even if one
uses the proper Data controls when doing an .aspx project.
The 3-4 books I've bought on .Net programming all (disappointingly) shy
away from talking about putting together an .aspx project from within
the IDE, or if they use the IDE, they still hand-cdoe and avoid the
controls.
Thanks!
jk
(I may duplicate this message in the ADO.Net forum.)
Message #2 by "Curtner, Lynn" <lynn.curtner@p...> on Tue, 12 Feb 2002 08:11:43 -0600
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Yeah, what do these old-timer asp guys have against the IDE? Everyone seems
so proud of being able to do everything in Notepad. For me, using the IDE seems
like the only sensible course of action...
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> From: jude the obscure[SMTP:jude@j...]
> Reply To: aspx_beginners
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 8:22 PM
> To: aspx_beginners
> Subject: [aspx_beginners] VS.Net ADO.Net Controls
>
> Though most of my ADO stuff is currently hand-coded, I thought the new VS.Net(VB) IDE might offer some short cuts worth looking
into. My question:
>
> Is it possible to use the VB.Net Data controls in an .aspx project WITHOUT having to do any manual coding?
>
> Stated another way, is some manual coding always required even if one uses the proper Data controls when doing an .aspx
project.
>
> The 3-4 books I've bought on .Net programming all (disappointingly) shy away from talking about putting together an .aspx
project from within the IDE, or if they use the IDE, they still hand-cdoe and avoid the controls.
>
> Thanks!
>
> jk
>
> (I may duplicate this message in the ADO.Net forum.)
>
Message #3 by "Kyle" <Kyle@T...> on Tue, 12 Feb 2002 13:05:01 -0500
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The IDE is great but it has limitations for code generation. I use the
IDE as much as possible but when wanting to customize the code it is
often necessary to move it out of the Windows Form Designer area so once
it is customized it won't be overwrite by the designer. There are some
programs that can't be written with designer generated code. At that
point I'm hand coding but I still like the IDE as my editor. More than
being against the IDE and proud of notepad, I think it's a matter of
being proud of understanding the code.
_____________________________________________
Kyle Dunn
Chief Information Officer
Funeral Services, Inc.
xxx-xxx-xxxx x 309
Kyle@F...
-----Original Message-----
From: Curtner, Lynn [mailto:lynn.curtner@p...]
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 9:12 AM
To: aspx_beginners
Subject: [aspx_beginners] RE: VS.Net ADO.Net Controls
Yeah, what do these old-timer asp guys have against the IDE? Everyone
seems
so proud of being able to do everything in Notepad. For me, using the
IDE seems
like the only sensible course of action...
> ----------
> From: jude the obscure[SMTP:jude@j...]
> Reply To: aspx_beginners
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 8:22 PM
> To: aspx_beginners
> Subject: [aspx_beginners] VS.Net ADO.Net Controls
>
> Though most of my ADO stuff is currently hand-coded, I thought the new
VS.Net(VB) IDE might offer some short cuts worth looking into. My
question:
>
> Is it possible to use the VB.Net Data controls in an .aspx project
WITHOUT having to do any manual coding?
>
> Stated another way, is some manual coding always required even if one
uses the proper Data controls when doing an .aspx project.
>
> The 3-4 books I've bought on .Net programming all (disappointingly)
shy away from talking about putting together an .aspx project from
within the IDE, or if they use the IDE, they still hand-cdoe and avoid
the controls.
>
> Thanks!
>
> jk
>
> (I may duplicate this message in the ADO.Net forum.)
$subst('Email.Unsub').
>
$subst('Email.Unsub').
Message #4 by "Curtner, Lynn" <lynn.curtner@p...> on Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:42:33 -0600
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Kyle,
You're right. My apologies...
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> From: Kyle[SMTP:Kyle@T...]
> Reply To: aspx_beginners
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 12:05 PM
> To: aspx_beginners
> Subject: [aspx_beginners] RE: VS.Net ADO.Net Controls
>
> The IDE is great but it has limitations for code generation. I use the
> IDE as much as possible but when wanting to customize the code it is
> often necessary to move it out of the Windows Form Designer area so once
> it is customized it won't be overwrite by the designer. There are some
> programs that can't be written with designer generated code. At that
> point I'm hand coding but I still like the IDE as my editor. More than
> being against the IDE and proud of notepad, I think it's a matter of
> being proud of understanding the code.
>
> _____________________________________________
>
> Kyle Dunn
> Chief Information Officer
> Funeral Services, Inc.
> xxx-xxx-xxxx x 309
> Kyle@F...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Curtner, Lynn [mailto:lynn.curtner@p...]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 9:12 AM
> To: aspx_beginners
> Subject: [aspx_beginners] RE: VS.Net ADO.Net Controls
>
>
> Yeah, what do these old-timer asp guys have against the IDE? Everyone
> seems
> so proud of being able to do everything in Notepad. For me, using the
> IDE seems
> like the only sensible course of action...
>
> > ----------
> > From: jude the obscure[SMTP:jude@j...]
> > Reply To: aspx_beginners
> > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 8:22 PM
> > To: aspx_beginners
> > Subject: [aspx_beginners] VS.Net ADO.Net Controls
> >
> > Though most of my ADO stuff is currently hand-coded, I thought the new
> VS.Net(VB) IDE might offer some short cuts worth looking into. My
> question:
> >
> > Is it possible to use the VB.Net Data controls in an .aspx project
> WITHOUT having to do any manual coding?
> >
> > Stated another way, is some manual coding always required even if one
> uses the proper Data controls when doing an .aspx project.
> >
> > The 3-4 books I've bought on .Net programming all (disappointingly)
> shy away from talking about putting together an .aspx project from
> within the IDE, or if they use the IDE, they still hand-cdoe and avoid
> the controls.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > jk
> >
> > (I may duplicate this message in the ADO.Net forum.)
> $subst('Email.Unsub').
> >
>
> $subst('Email.Unsub').
>
>
Message #5 by mbreeve@r... on Wed, 13 Feb 2002 10:51:09
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Kyle:
I got to the stage you mention, i.e. I need to use the IDE for editing and
building, but I don't want to let the designer overwrite my recently hand-
edited HTML and Javascript code (which I did originally get from the
designer). Unfortunately, this does keep happening.
What do you mean by "move it out the Windows Form Designer area"? I expect
there is some VS.NET menu selection, or something like that, just staring
me in the face. At the moment, I just can't see it...
>
> > ----------
> > From: Kyle[SMTP:Kyle@T...]
> > Reply To: aspx_beginners
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 12:05 PM
> > To: aspx_beginners
> > Subject: [aspx_beginners] RE: VS.Net ADO.Net Controls
> >
> > The IDE is great but it has limitations for code generation. I use the
> > IDE as much as possible but when wanting to customize the code it is
> > often necessary to move it out of the Windows Form Designer area so
once
> > it is customized it won't be overwrite by the designer. There are some
> > programs that can't be written with designer generated code. At that
> > point I'm hand coding but I still like the IDE as my editor. More than
> > being against the IDE and proud of notepad, I think it's a matter of
> > being proud of understanding the code.
> >
> > _____________________________________________
> >
> > Kyle Dunn
> > Chief Information Officer
> > Funeral Services, Inc.
> > xxx-xxx-xxxx x 309
> > Kyle@F...
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Curtner, Lynn [mailto:lynn.curtner@p...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 9:12 AM
> > To: aspx_beginners
> > Subject: [aspx_beginners] RE: VS.Net ADO.Net Controls
> >
> >
> > Yeah, what do these old-timer asp guys have against the IDE? Everyone
> > seems
> > so proud of being able to do everything in Notepad. For me, using the
> > IDE seems
> > like the only sensible course of action...
> >
> > > ----------
> > > From: jude the obscure[SMTP:jude@j...]
> > > Reply To: aspx_beginners
> > > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 8:22 PM
> > > To: aspx_beginners
> > > Subject: [aspx_beginners] VS.Net ADO.Net Controls
> > >
> > > Though most of my ADO stuff is currently hand-coded, I thought the
new
> > VS.Net(VB) IDE might offer some short cuts worth looking into. My
> > question:
> > >
> > > Is it possible to use the VB.Net Data controls in an .aspx project
> > WITHOUT having to do any manual coding?
> > >
> > > Stated another way, is some manual coding always required even if one
> > uses the proper Data controls when doing an .aspx project.
> > >
> > > The 3-4 books I've bought on .Net programming all (disappointingly)
> > shy away from talking about putting together an .aspx project from
> > within the IDE, or if they use the IDE, they still hand-cdoe and avoid
> > the controls.
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > > jk
> > >
> > > (I may duplicate this message in the ADO.Net forum.)
> > $subst('Email.Unsub').
> > >
> >
> > $subst('Email.Unsub').
> >
> >
Message #6 by mbreeve@r... on Wed, 13 Feb 2002 10:54:59
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Sorry, I forgot to add my name in the last one...
Kyle:
I got to the stage you mention, i.e. I need to use the IDE for editing and
building, but I don't want to let the designer overwrite my recently hand-
edited HTML and Javascript code (which I did originally get from the
designer). Unfortunately, this does keep happening.
What do you mean by "move it out the Windows Form Designer area"? I expect
there is some VS.NET menu selection, or something like that, just staring
me in the face. At the moment, I just can't see it...
Martin Reeve
> >
> > > ----------
> > > From: Kyle[SMTP:Kyle@T...]
> > > Reply To: aspx_beginners
> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 12:05 PM
> > > To: aspx_beginners
> > > Subject: [aspx_beginners] RE: VS.Net ADO.Net Controls
> > >
> > > The IDE is great but it has limitations for code generation. I use
the
> > > IDE as much as possible but when wanting to customize the code it is
> > > often necessary to move it out of the Windows Form Designer area so
> once
> > > it is customized it won't be overwrite by the designer. There are
some
> > > programs that can't be written with designer generated code. At that
> > > point I'm hand coding but I still like the IDE as my editor. More
than
> > > being against the IDE and proud of notepad, I think it's a matter of
> > > being proud of understanding the code.
> > >
> > > _____________________________________________
> > >
> > > Kyle Dunn
> > > Chief Information Officer
> > > Funeral Services, Inc.
> > > xxx-xxx-xxxx x 309
> > > Kyle@F...
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Curtner, Lynn [mailto:lynn.curtner@p...]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 9:12 AM
> > > To: aspx_beginners
> > > Subject: [aspx_beginners] RE: VS.Net ADO.Net Controls
> > >
> > >
> > > Yeah, what do these old-timer asp guys have against the IDE?
Everyone
> > > seems
> > > so proud of being able to do everything in Notepad. For me, using
the
> > > IDE seems
> > > like the only sensible course of action...
> > >
> > > > ----------
> > > > From: jude the obscure[SMTP:jude@j...]
> > > > Reply To: aspx_beginners
> > > > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 8:22 PM
> > > > To: aspx_beginners
> > > > Subject: [aspx_beginners] VS.Net ADO.Net Controls
> > > >
> > > > Though most of my ADO stuff is currently hand-coded, I thought the
> new
> > > VS.Net(VB) IDE might offer some short cuts worth looking into. My
> > > question:
> > > >
> > > > Is it possible to use the VB.Net Data controls in an .aspx project
> > > WITHOUT having to do any manual coding?
> > > >
> > > > Stated another way, is some manual coding always required even if
one
> > > uses the proper Data controls when doing an .aspx project.
> > > >
> > > > The 3-4 books I've bought on .Net programming all (disappointingly)
> > > shy away from talking about putting together an .aspx project from
> > > within the IDE, or if they use the IDE, they still hand-cdoe and
avoid
> > > the controls.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks!
> > > >
> > > > jk
> > > >
> > > > (I may duplicate this message in the ADO.Net forum.)
> > > $subst('Email.Unsub').
> > > >
> > >
> > > $subst('Email.Unsub').
> > >
> > >
Message #7 by "Kyle" <Kyle@T...> on Wed, 13 Feb 2002 07:15:21 -0500
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Sorry, no special menu item for this. The only example I can give you
applies to Windows Forms because I am working on a windows desktop
application at the moment, not a web application. But I suspect you
might be able to translate the concept to your application so here goes
...
In a Windows Form there is a method that the forms generator uses to
write code. This occurs in the code behind page. It's called
InitializeComponent(). Everything in this method is generated by the
forms designer and when you toggle between code view and design view the
code in this method is rewritten by the forms generator. If you look in
the constructor that substantiates the class you will find the
InitializeComponent() method is called. The comments inserted by the
IDE that follow that method call say:
//
// TODO: Add any constructor code after InitializeComponent call
//
This is where you insert code to add public objects and other custom
code. This area works well for initializing code. The next area I use
is the On Form Load event for working with objects that have been
instantiated in the class constructor. This is where I currently might
fill a custom dataset. I know this example doesn't apply directly to
your challenge but hoped it might help illustrate that you must now get
a feel for the areas that are overwritten in your ASP.NET app and find
the space immediately following.
_____________________________________________
Kyle Dunn
Chief Information Officer
Funeral Services, Inc.
xxx-xxx-xxxx x 309
Kyle@F...
-----Original Message-----
From: mbreeve@r... [mailto:mbreeve@r...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 5:51 AM
To: aspx_beginners
Subject: [aspx_beginners] RE: VS.Net ADO.Net Controls
Kyle:
I got to the stage you mention, i.e. I need to use the IDE for editing
and
building, but I don't want to let the designer overwrite my recently
hand-
edited HTML and Javascript code (which I did originally get from the
designer). Unfortunately, this does keep happening.
What do you mean by "move it out the Windows Form Designer area"? I
expect
there is some VS.NET menu selection, or something like that, just
staring
me in the face. At the moment, I just can't see it...
>
> > ----------
> > From: Kyle[SMTP:Kyle@T...]
> > Reply To: aspx_beginners
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 12:05 PM
> > To: aspx_beginners
> > Subject: [aspx_beginners] RE: VS.Net ADO.Net Controls
> >
> > The IDE is great but it has limitations for code generation. I use
the
> > IDE as much as possible but when wanting to customize the code it is
> > often necessary to move it out of the Windows Form Designer area so
once
> > it is customized it won't be overwrite by the designer. There are
some
> > programs that can't be written with designer generated code. At
that
> > point I'm hand coding but I still like the IDE as my editor. More
than
> > being against the IDE and proud of notepad, I think it's a matter of
> > being proud of understanding the code.
> >
> > _____________________________________________
> >
> > Kyle Dunn
> > Chief Information Officer
> > Funeral Services, Inc.
> > xxx-xxx-xxxx x 309
> > Kyle@F...
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Curtner, Lynn [mailto:lynn.curtner@p...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 9:12 AM
> > To: aspx_beginners
> > Subject: [aspx_beginners] RE: VS.Net ADO.Net Controls
> >
> >
> > Yeah, what do these old-timer asp guys have against the IDE?
Everyone
> > seems
> > so proud of being able to do everything in Notepad. For me, using
the
> > IDE seems
> > like the only sensible course of action...
> >
> > > ----------
> > > From: jude the obscure[SMTP:jude@j...]
> > > Reply To: aspx_beginners
> > > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 8:22 PM
> > > To: aspx_beginners
> > > Subject: [aspx_beginners] VS.Net ADO.Net Controls
> > >
> > > Though most of my ADO stuff is currently hand-coded, I thought the
new
> > VS.Net(VB) IDE might offer some short cuts worth looking into. My
> > question:
> > >
> > > Is it possible to use the VB.Net Data controls in an .aspx project
> > WITHOUT having to do any manual coding?
> > >
> > > Stated another way, is some manual coding always required even if
one
> > uses the proper Data controls when doing an .aspx project.
> > >
> > > The 3-4 books I've bought on .Net programming all
(disappointingly)
> > shy away from talking about putting together an .aspx project from
> > within the IDE, or if they use the IDE, they still hand-cdoe and
avoid
> > the controls.
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > > jk
> > >
> > > (I may duplicate this message in the ADO.Net forum.)
> > $subst('Email.Unsub').
> > >
> >
> > $subst('Email.Unsub').
> >
$subst('Email.Unsub').
> >
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Message #8 by "Olav Benum" <wrox@b...> on Wed, 13 Feb 2002 15:05:37
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> Though most of my ADO stuff is currently hand-coded, I thought the new
> VS.Net(VB) IDE might offer some short cuts worth looking into. My
> question:
>
> Is it possible to use the VB.Net Data controls in an .aspx project
> WITHOUT having to do any manual coding?
You need to fill it manually, othervise you can do everything
Visually.
Get a design-view. Drop a datadapter ( view - toolbox) or drag-drop a
table
from the server explorer.
Right-click data-adapter, configure it.
On the top menu do data - generate dataset.
Drop a grid and bind it to the dataset.
Hope it helps
Olav
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