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aspx_beginners thread: Web Matrix vs Dreamweaver??


Message #1 by "david potter" <djpotte@p...> on Wed, 29 Jan 2003 22:15:36
Anyone have any suggestions which program is better to create ASP.NET 
applications with?  Web Matrix or Dreamweaver or even FrontPage?

thanks

dave
Message #2 by "Alex Smotritsky" <alex.smotritsky@v...> on Wed, 29 Jan 2003 17:15:32 -0500
Web matrix because microsoft built it for the job.


-----Original Message-----
From: david potter [mailto:djpotte@p...] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 10:16 PM
To: aspx_beginners
Subject: [aspx_beginners] Web Matrix vs Dreamweaver??


Anyone have any suggestions which program is better to create ASP.NET 
applications with?  Web Matrix or Dreamweaver or even FrontPage?

thanks

dave

Message #3 by "Charles E. Brown" <chabrown@b...> on Wed, 29 Jan 2003 17:25:53 -0500
Dave:

Hands down, Dreamweaver is the better way to go.

Web Matrix has good ASPX capabilities within limits. Dreamweaver offers
a fuller and more flexible environment.

In my new book, Beginning Dreamweaver MX (Wrox), I discuss ASP.NET in an
appendix. 

The best piece of advice is to get the book and download the 30 day free
trial of DWMX to work through all of its features. Then try Web Matrix.
I can almost guarantee you will like DWMX better.

Charles E. Brown
Author: Fireworks MX From Zero to Hero
        Beginning Dreamweaver MX
Contributor: The Macromedia Studio MX Bible


-----Original Message-----
From: david potter [mailto:djpotte@p...] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 10:16 PM
To: aspx_beginners
Subject: [aspx_beginners] Web Matrix vs Dreamweaver??

Anyone have any suggestions which program is better to create ASP.NET 
applications with?  Web Matrix or Dreamweaver or even FrontPage?

thanks

dave


Message #4 by Julian Voelcker <asp@t...> on Wed, 29 Jan 2003 23:58:13 GMT
On Wed, 29 Jan 2003 22:15:36, David potter wrote:
> Anyone have any suggestions which program is better to create ASP.NET 
> applications with?  Web Matrix or Dreamweaver or even FrontPage?

Forget FrontPage, it is way behind the rest.

DWMX is OK, but try to avoid using their server behaviours - you end up 
with a lot of unnecessary code and when they go wrong it harder to debug 
someone else's code than code that you have written yourself.

Web Matrix is very good as a freeby and is probably the best place to 
start.

Once you get into ASP.net try to get hold of Visual Studio so that you 
can start to take advantage of code behind, user controls and then 
ultimately rolling your own server controls.

ASP.net is all about OOP, code reuse, etc and you don't really get to 
touch that with DWMX and Web Matrix.

Cheers,

Julian Voelcker
The Virtual World (UK) Limited
Cirencester, United Kingdom


Message #5 by "Charles E. Brown" <chabrown@b...> on Wed, 29 Jan 2003 19:08:52 -0500
This thread, as a whole, really states the answer: There is no one tool
that is the right tool for all situations!

Each of the tools mentioned in this thread has its place depending on
what needs to be accomplished. Let's also add each person's style of
work.

This is why software manufacturers make evaluation copies available. The
best piece of advice I can give Dave is to evaluate all and decide which
is the best suited for him and the job at hand.

Charles E. Brown
Author: Fireworks MX From Zero to Hero
        Beginning Dreamweaver MX
Contributor: The Macromedia Studio MX Bible


-----Original Message-----
From: Julian Voelcker [mailto:asp@t...] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 6:58 PM
To: aspx_beginners
Subject: [aspx_beginners] Re: Web Matrix vs Dreamweaver??

On Wed, 29 Jan 2003 22:15:36, David potter wrote:
> Anyone have any suggestions which program is better to create ASP.NET 
> applications with?  Web Matrix or Dreamweaver or even FrontPage?

Forget FrontPage, it is way behind the rest.

DWMX is OK, but try to avoid using their server behaviours - you end up 
with a lot of unnecessary code and when they go wrong it harder to debug

someone else's code than code that you have written yourself.

Web Matrix is very good as a freeby and is probably the best place to 
start.

Once you get into ASP.net try to get hold of Visual Studio so that you 
can start to take advantage of code behind, user controls and then 
ultimately rolling your own server controls.

ASP.net is all about OOP, code reuse, etc and you don't really get to 
touch that with DWMX and Web Matrix.

Cheers,

Julian Voelcker
The Virtual World (UK) Limited
Cirencester, United Kingdom





Message #6 by Julian Voelcker <asp@t...> on Thu, 30 Jan 2003 09:24:16 GMT
Charles,

I hope I haven't offended you by criticising Dreamweaver.  Don't get me 
wrong it is an excellent program, but I wouldn't recommend as a starting 
point it for someone who wants to learn ASP.net properly.

On Wed, 29 Jan 2003 19:08:52 -0500, Charles E. Brown wrote:
> This is why software manufacturers make evaluation copies available. The
> best piece of advice I can give Dave is to evaluate all and decide which
> is the best suited for him and the job at hand.

True, but not always possible - he may not have the time and also may not 
know enough about ASP.net to be able to do an effective evaluation.

I suspect that is why he posted the message in the first place on this 
aspx_beginner mailing list.

Cheers,

Julian Voelcker
The Virtual World (UK) Limited
Cirencester, United Kingdom



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