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Message #1 by "Daniel" <daniel@o...> on Mon, 18 Feb 2002 07:25:51 -0500
friends and fellow asp coders...



i am using visual interdev since it was given to me.. but i am running into

a problem. it adds the width and height attributes to the images

automatically, that is all fine and dandy until you are using javascript to

change thoes images.. i mean i could write more script and have javascript

change the width andheight attributes to reflect the image.. but i dont

really want to.. anywayz.. i mainly dont like the idea of VID changing my

content on me.. that isnt a good editor.. so do any of yall know how to turn

this "feature" off or if not.. what editors do yall use that you like.. i

have tested homesite, and i think i like it!! but 100 bucks is 100 bucks..

then i also tried HTMLGate 2000 and that is ok.. except for the color

coding.. i dont dig the all blue approach.. but what do you guys use that

works and you like?



thanks

daniel



--

-----------------------------

Daniel O'Dorisio

daniel@o...

www.odorisio-networks.com

-----------------------------





Message #2 by Brent Latham <Brent2@w...> on Mon, 18 Feb 2002 12:53:52 -0000
hello m8,



I use visual interdev as well and its great so stick with it!  However, I

never ever ever ever never ever ever etc etc use the Design tab to build my

page.  I just enter the code using the Source tab and then right click and

select the View source in browser option!



My boss uses the Design tab and its like Frontpage!  Crap!



If you use the Design tab then it will add all sorts of stuff for you

automatically!



I think thats your problem although I have to admit to being extremely

surprised if you are using the design tab and quick view tab!



Cheers

Brent





-----Original Message-----

From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

Sent: 18 February 2002 12:26

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] editor choice





friends and fellow asp coders...



i am using visual interdev since it was given to me.. but i am running into

a problem. it adds the width and height attributes to the images

automatically, that is all fine and dandy until you are using javascript to

change thoes images.. i mean i could write more script and have javascript

change the width andheight attributes to reflect the image.. but i dont

really want to.. anywayz.. i mainly dont like the idea of VID changing my

content on me.. that isnt a good editor.. so do any of yall know how to turn

this "feature" off or if not.. what editors do yall use that you like.. i

have tested homesite, and i think i like it!! but 100 bucks is 100 bucks..

then i also tried HTMLGate 2000 and that is ok.. except for the color

coding.. i dont dig the all blue approach.. but what do you guys use that

works and you like?



thanks

daniel



--

-----------------------------

Daniel O'Dorisio

daniel@o...

www.odorisio-networks.com

-----------------------------










Message #3 by "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> on Mon, 18 Feb 2002 08:38:55 -0500
uh oh....

Brent and Elliott agree...

This is getting scary..



daniel... you commited the cardnal sin.... and you're  very fortunate that

the gods of asp only saw fit to punish you with img height and width

properties.

I've seen far worse punishments....



Interdev is the best I've ever used... unless you use the design view- if

you wanna do that, save yourself some money and buy frontpage...



:o)

Elliott



-----Original Message-----

From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 7:54 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] RE: editor choice





hello m8,



I use visual interdev as well and its great so stick with it!  However, I

never ever ever ever never ever ever etc etc use the Design tab to build my

page.  I just enter the code using the Source tab and then right click and

select the View source in browser option!



My boss uses the Design tab and its like Frontpage!  Crap!



If you use the Design tab then it will add all sorts of stuff for you

automatically!



I think thats your problem although I have to admit to being extremely

surprised if you are using the design tab and quick view tab!



Cheers

Brent





-----Original Message-----

From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

Sent: 18 February 2002 12:26

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] editor choice





friends and fellow asp coders...



i am using visual interdev since it was given to me.. but i am running into

a problem. it adds the width and height attributes to the images

automatically, that is all fine and dandy until you are using javascript to

change thoes images.. i mean i could write more script and have javascript

change the width andheight attributes to reflect the image.. but i dont

really want to.. anywayz.. i mainly dont like the idea of VID changing my

content on me.. that isnt a good editor.. so do any of yall know how to turn

this "feature" off or if not.. what editors do yall use that you like.. i

have tested homesite, and i think i like it!! but 100 bucks is 100 bucks..

then i also tried HTMLGate 2000 and that is ok.. except for the color

coding.. i dont dig the all blue approach.. but what do you guys use that

works and you like?



thanks

daniel



--

-----------------------------

Daniel O'Dorisio

daniel@o...

www.odorisio-networks.com

-----------------------------















Message #4 by "Daniel" <daniel@o...> on Mon, 18 Feb 2002 08:34:23 -0500
i am ashamed you think i use the design tab.. NEVER EVER.. no it actually

places the attributes right as i exit the file.. everytime.. and i just

caused me some headache cause i had a really nice jewelery pages... and then

the project manager looks at it and goes eeewwww.. great thanks visual

interdev.. making me look bad.. lol.. i like visual interdev.. but only

cause im used to the colorcoding.. but i like how homesite automaticall adds

the closing tags if you want.. and places your cursor in the correct spot..

but i gotta get rid of that auto attribute.. anyone know how? i looked in

the options but didnt see anything.



thanks

daniel



--

-----------------------------

Daniel O'Dorisio

daniel@o...

www.odorisio-networks.com

-----------------------------

"Brent Latham" <Brent2@w...> wrote in message

news:147451@a..._forms...

:

: hello m8,

:

: I use visual interdev as well and its great so stick with it!  However, I

: never ever ever ever never ever ever etc etc use the Design tab to build

my

: page.  I just enter the code using the Source tab and then right click and

: select the View source in browser option!

:

: My boss uses the Design tab and its like Frontpage!  Crap!

:

: If you use the Design tab then it will add all sorts of stuff for you

: automatically!

:

: I think thats your problem although I have to admit to being extremely

: surprised if you are using the design tab and quick view tab!

:

: Cheers

: Brent

:

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: Sent: 18 February 2002 12:26

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] editor choice

:

:

: friends and fellow asp coders...

:

: i am using visual interdev since it was given to me.. but i am running

into

: a problem. it adds the width and height attributes to the images

: automatically, that is all fine and dandy until you are using javascript

to

: change thoes images.. i mean i could write more script and have javascript

: change the width andheight attributes to reflect the image.. but i dont

: really want to.. anywayz.. i mainly dont like the idea of VID changing my

: content on me.. that isnt a good editor.. so do any of yall know how to

turn

: this "feature" off or if not.. what editors do yall use that you like.. i

: have tested homesite, and i think i like it!! but 100 bucks is 100 bucks..

: then i also tried HTMLGate 2000 and that is ok.. except for the color

: coding.. i dont dig the all blue approach.. but what do you guys use that

: works and you like?

:

: thanks

: daniel

:

: --

: -----------------------------

: Daniel O'Dorisio

: daniel@o...

: www.odorisio-networks.com

: -----------------------------

:

:

:




:

:





Message #5 by "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> on Mon, 18 Feb 2002 08:45:55 -0500
wow...

I was suprised, because I thought better of you. Thank you for reassuring

me...



I don't recall it ever doing that to me...

Thats difinatly a bad thing, and I don't see any settings for it...







-----Original Message-----

From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 8:34 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





i am ashamed you think i use the design tab.. NEVER EVER.. no it actually

places the attributes right as i exit the file.. everytime.. and i just

caused me some headache cause i had a really nice jewelery pages... and then

the project manager looks at it and goes eeewwww.. great thanks visual

interdev.. making me look bad.. lol.. i like visual interdev.. but only

cause im used to the colorcoding.. but i like how homesite automaticall adds

the closing tags if you want.. and places your cursor in the correct spot..

but i gotta get rid of that auto attribute.. anyone know how? i looked in

the options but didnt see anything.



thanks

daniel



--

-----------------------------

Daniel O'Dorisio

daniel@o...

www.odorisio-networks.com

-----------------------------

"Brent Latham" <Brent2@w...> wrote in message

news:147451@a..._forms...

:

: hello m8,

:

: I use visual interdev as well and its great so stick with it!  However, I

: never ever ever ever never ever ever etc etc use the Design tab to build

my

: page.  I just enter the code using the Source tab and then right click and

: select the View source in browser option!

:

: My boss uses the Design tab and its like Frontpage!  Crap!

:

: If you use the Design tab then it will add all sorts of stuff for you

: automatically!

:

: I think thats your problem although I have to admit to being extremely

: surprised if you are using the design tab and quick view tab!

:

: Cheers

: Brent

:

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: Sent: 18 February 2002 12:26

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] editor choice

:

:

: friends and fellow asp coders...

:

: i am using visual interdev since it was given to me.. but i am running

into

: a problem. it adds the width and height attributes to the images

: automatically, that is all fine and dandy until you are using javascript

to

: change thoes images.. i mean i could write more script and have javascript

: change the width andheight attributes to reflect the image.. but i dont

: really want to.. anywayz.. i mainly dont like the idea of VID changing my

: content on me.. that isnt a good editor.. so do any of yall know how to

turn

: this "feature" off or if not.. what editors do yall use that you like.. i

: have tested homesite, and i think i like it!! but 100 bucks is 100 bucks..

: then i also tried HTMLGate 2000 and that is ok.. except for the color

: coding.. i dont dig the all blue approach.. but what do you guys use that

: works and you like?

:

: thanks

: daniel

:

: --

: -----------------------------

: Daniel O'Dorisio

: daniel@o...

: www.odorisio-networks.com

: -----------------------------

:

:

:




:

:










Message #6 by Brent Latham <Brent2@w...> on Mon, 18 Feb 2002 13:48:36 -0000
hmm...so what your saying is that your entering your lovely code



<IMG Src="images/myimage.gif" border="0">



etc



and then you right click and view it in the browser and it looks superb.



You then close down interdev, walk over to your project manager and say here

is the test URL and suddenly disaster strikes!



You right click on the project managers browser and view source and

suddenly....



<IMG Src="images/myimage.gif" border="0"> now says



<IMG Src="images/myimage.gif" border="0" Width="100" Height="100">





is that it?



Cheers

Brent

-----Original Message-----

From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

Sent: 18 February 2002 13:34

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





i am ashamed you think i use the design tab.. NEVER EVER.. no it actually

places the attributes right as i exit the file.. everytime.. and i just

caused me some headache cause i had a really nice jewelery pages... and then

the project manager looks at it and goes eeewwww.. great thanks visual

interdev.. making me look bad.. lol.. i like visual interdev.. but only

cause im used to the colorcoding.. but i like how homesite automaticall adds

the closing tags if you want.. and places your cursor in the correct spot..

but i gotta get rid of that auto attribute.. anyone know how? i looked in

the options but didnt see anything.



thanks

daniel



--

-----------------------------

Daniel O'Dorisio

daniel@o...

www.odorisio-networks.com

-----------------------------

"Brent Latham" <Brent2@w...> wrote in message

news:147451@a..._forms...

:

: hello m8,

:

: I use visual interdev as well and its great so stick with it!  However, I

: never ever ever ever never ever ever etc etc use the Design tab to build

my

: page.  I just enter the code using the Source tab and then right click and

: select the View source in browser option!

:

: My boss uses the Design tab and its like Frontpage!  Crap!

:

: If you use the Design tab then it will add all sorts of stuff for you

: automatically!

:

: I think thats your problem although I have to admit to being extremely

: surprised if you are using the design tab and quick view tab!

:

: Cheers

: Brent

:

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: Sent: 18 February 2002 12:26

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] editor choice

:

:

: friends and fellow asp coders...

:

: i am using visual interdev since it was given to me.. but i am running

into

: a problem. it adds the width and height attributes to the images

: automatically, that is all fine and dandy until you are using javascript

to

: change thoes images.. i mean i could write more script and have javascript

: change the width andheight attributes to reflect the image.. but i dont

: really want to.. anywayz.. i mainly dont like the idea of VID changing my

: content on me.. that isnt a good editor.. so do any of yall know how to

turn

: this "feature" off or if not.. what editors do yall use that you like.. i

: have tested homesite, and i think i like it!! but 100 bucks is 100 bucks..

: then i also tried HTMLGate 2000 and that is ok.. except for the color

: coding.. i dont dig the all blue approach.. but what do you guys use that

: works and you like?

:

: thanks

: daniel

:

: --

: -----------------------------

: Daniel O'Dorisio

: daniel@o...

: www.odorisio-networks.com

: -----------------------------

:

:

:




:

:










Message #7 by Brent Latham <Brent2@w...> on Mon, 18 Feb 2002 13:50:09 -0000
yeah sure had me worried!



I had visions of seeing Daniel on TV with a frontpage header!



doesn't do it to me either!



Maybe your using some kind of frontpage demon which needs to be exercised!



/Brent



-----Original Message-----

From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

Sent: 18 February 2002 13:46

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





wow...

I was suprised, because I thought better of you. Thank you for reassuring

me...



I don't recall it ever doing that to me...

Thats difinatly a bad thing, and I don't see any settings for it...







-----Original Message-----

From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 8:34 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





i am ashamed you think i use the design tab.. NEVER EVER.. no it actually

places the attributes right as i exit the file.. everytime.. and i just

caused me some headache cause i had a really nice jewelery pages... and then

the project manager looks at it and goes eeewwww.. great thanks visual

interdev.. making me look bad.. lol.. i like visual interdev.. but only

cause im used to the colorcoding.. but i like how homesite automaticall adds

the closing tags if you want.. and places your cursor in the correct spot..

but i gotta get rid of that auto attribute.. anyone know how? i looked in

the options but didnt see anything.



thanks

daniel



--

-----------------------------

Daniel O'Dorisio

daniel@o...

www.odorisio-networks.com

-----------------------------

"Brent Latham" <Brent2@w...> wrote in message

news:147451@a..._forms...

:

: hello m8,

:

: I use visual interdev as well and its great so stick with it!  However, I

: never ever ever ever never ever ever etc etc use the Design tab to build

my

: page.  I just enter the code using the Source tab and then right click and

: select the View source in browser option!

:

: My boss uses the Design tab and its like Frontpage!  Crap!

:

: If you use the Design tab then it will add all sorts of stuff for you

: automatically!

:

: I think thats your problem although I have to admit to being extremely

: surprised if you are using the design tab and quick view tab!

:

: Cheers

: Brent

:

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: Sent: 18 February 2002 12:26

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] editor choice

:

:

: friends and fellow asp coders...

:

: i am using visual interdev since it was given to me.. but i am running

into

: a problem. it adds the width and height attributes to the images

: automatically, that is all fine and dandy until you are using javascript

to

: change thoes images.. i mean i could write more script and have javascript

: change the width andheight attributes to reflect the image.. but i dont

: really want to.. anywayz.. i mainly dont like the idea of VID changing my

: content on me.. that isnt a good editor.. so do any of yall know how to

turn

: this "feature" off or if not.. what editors do yall use that you like.. i

: have tested homesite, and i think i like it!! but 100 bucks is 100 bucks..

: then i also tried HTMLGate 2000 and that is ok.. except for the color

: coding.. i dont dig the all blue approach.. but what do you guys use that

: works and you like?

:

: thanks

: daniel

:

: --

: -----------------------------

: Daniel O'Dorisio

: daniel@o...

: www.odorisio-networks.com

: -----------------------------

:

:

:




:

:















Message #8 by Brent Latham <Brent2@w...> on Mon, 18 Feb 2002 13:50:56 -0000
uh oh....

Brent and Elliott agree...

This is getting scary..



.....Only for me ;) 



lol

/Brent







-----Original Message-----

From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 7:54 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] RE: editor choice





hello m8,



I use visual interdev as well and its great so stick with it!  However, I

never ever ever ever never ever ever etc etc use the Design tab to build my

page.  I just enter the code using the Source tab and then right click and

select the View source in browser option!



My boss uses the Design tab and its like Frontpage!  Crap!



If you use the Design tab then it will add all sorts of stuff for you

automatically!



I think thats your problem although I have to admit to being extremely

surprised if you are using the design tab and quick view tab!



Cheers

Brent





-----Original Message-----

From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

Sent: 18 February 2002 12:26

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] editor choice





friends and fellow asp coders...



i am using visual interdev since it was given to me.. but i am running into

a problem. it adds the width and height attributes to the images

automatically, that is all fine and dandy until you are using javascript to

change thoes images.. i mean i could write more script and have javascript

change the width andheight attributes to reflect the image.. but i dont

really want to.. anywayz.. i mainly dont like the idea of VID changing my

content on me.. that isnt a good editor.. so do any of yall know how to turn

this "feature" off or if not.. what editors do yall use that you like.. i

have tested homesite, and i think i like it!! but 100 bucks is 100 bucks..

then i also tried HTMLGate 2000 and that is ok.. except for the color

coding.. i dont dig the all blue approach.. but what do you guys use that

works and you like?



thanks

daniel



--

-----------------------------

Daniel O'Dorisio

daniel@o...

www.odorisio-networks.com

-----------------------------




















Message #9 by "Daniel" <daniel@o...> on Mon, 18 Feb 2002 08:45:24 -0500
i dont use design view.. please dont put me that low!!!! gosh.. lol.. no but

really.. i dont touch the design button.. but it does add thoes attributes

automatically.. does it for yall? i mean it wont if i put one attrib in

there.. like

<img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla" name="blaimage" id="blaimage"

width="2" />

it wont touch it.. but if i do like:

<img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla name="blaimage" id="blaimage"/> it

turns it into:

<img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla" name="blaimage" id="blaimage" /

WIDTH="32" HEIGHT="32">

and that totally bombs the XHTML specs.. as well as ruins any javascript

rollovers i have..



also have you guys checked out homesite??? woah.. it is pretty sweet.. i

have been looking at it.. (im still looking either for a fix for VID, or a

new editor) and it automatically converts tags to lowercase, has lil

utilities that make coding much easier, nice colorcoding.. HTML tag

complete, the only thing is it dosnt support like the asp object code

complete.. which is a bummer.. and the (tools->references) as brent likes

isnt there.. but i dunno..



daniel



--

-----------------------------

Daniel O'Dorisio

daniel@o...

www.odorisio-networks.com

-----------------------------

"O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

news:147470@a..._forms...

:

: uh oh....

: Brent and Elliott agree...

: This is getting scary..

:

: daniel... you commited the cardnal sin.... and you're  very fortunate that

: the gods of asp only saw fit to punish you with img height and width

: properties.

: I've seen far worse punishments....

:

: Interdev is the best I've ever used... unless you use the design view- if

: you wanna do that, save yourself some money and buy frontpage...

:

: :o)

: Elliott

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 7:54 AM

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] RE: editor choice

:

:

: hello m8,

:

: I use visual interdev as well and its great so stick with it!  However, I

: never ever ever ever never ever ever etc etc use the Design tab to build

my

: page.  I just enter the code using the Source tab and then right click and

: select the View source in browser option!

:

: My boss uses the Design tab and its like Frontpage!  Crap!

:

: If you use the Design tab then it will add all sorts of stuff for you

: automatically!

:

: I think thats your problem although I have to admit to being extremely

: surprised if you are using the design tab and quick view tab!

:

: Cheers

: Brent

:

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: Sent: 18 February 2002 12:26

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] editor choice

:

:

: friends and fellow asp coders...

:

: i am using visual interdev since it was given to me.. but i am running

into

: a problem. it adds the width and height attributes to the images

: automatically, that is all fine and dandy until you are using javascript

to

: change thoes images.. i mean i could write more script and have javascript

: change the width andheight attributes to reflect the image.. but i dont

: really want to.. anywayz.. i mainly dont like the idea of VID changing my

: content on me.. that isnt a good editor.. so do any of yall know how to

turn

: this "feature" off or if not.. what editors do yall use that you like.. i

: have tested homesite, and i think i like it!! but 100 bucks is 100 bucks..

: then i also tried HTMLGate 2000 and that is ok.. except for the color

: coding.. i dont dig the all blue approach.. but what do you guys use that

: works and you like?

:

: thanks

: daniel

:

: --

: -----------------------------

: Daniel O'Dorisio

: daniel@o...

: www.odorisio-networks.com

: -----------------------------

:

:

:




:




:

:





Message #10 by "Daniel" <daniel@o...> on Mon, 18 Feb 2002 08:51:02 -0500
exactly right..



sucks huh??



--

-----------------------------

Daniel O'Dorisio

daniel@o...

www.odorisio-networks.com

-----------------------------

"Brent Latham" <Brent2@w...> wrote in message

news:147474@a..._forms...

:

: hmm...so what your saying is that your entering your lovely code

:

: <IMG Src="images/myimage.gif" border="0">

:

: etc

:

: and then you right click and view it in the browser and it looks superb.

:

: You then close down interdev, walk over to your project manager and say

here

: is the test URL and suddenly disaster strikes!

:

: You right click on the project managers browser and view source and

: suddenly....

:

: <IMG Src="images/myimage.gif" border="0"> now says

:

: <IMG Src="images/myimage.gif" border="0" Width="100" Height="100">

:

:

: is that it?

:

: Cheers

: Brent

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: Sent: 18 February 2002 13:34

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: i am ashamed you think i use the design tab.. NEVER EVER.. no it actually

: places the attributes right as i exit the file.. everytime.. and i just

: caused me some headache cause i had a really nice jewelery pages... and

then

: the project manager looks at it and goes eeewwww.. great thanks visual

: interdev.. making me look bad.. lol.. i like visual interdev.. but only

: cause im used to the colorcoding.. but i like how homesite automaticall

adds

: the closing tags if you want.. and places your cursor in the correct

spot..

: but i gotta get rid of that auto attribute.. anyone know how? i looked in

: the options but didnt see anything.

:

: thanks

: daniel

:

: --

: -----------------------------

: Daniel O'Dorisio

: daniel@o...

: www.odorisio-networks.com

: -----------------------------

: "Brent Latham" <Brent2@w...> wrote in message

: news:147451@a..._forms...

: :

: : hello m8,

: :

: : I use visual interdev as well and its great so stick with it!  However,

I

: : never ever ever ever never ever ever etc etc use the Design tab to build

: my

: : page.  I just enter the code using the Source tab and then right click

and

: : select the View source in browser option!

: :

: : My boss uses the Design tab and its like Frontpage!  Crap!

: :

: : If you use the Design tab then it will add all sorts of stuff for you

: : automatically!

: :

: : I think thats your problem although I have to admit to being extremely

: : surprised if you are using the design tab and quick view tab!

: :

: : Cheers

: : Brent

: :

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: : Sent: 18 February 2002 12:26

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] editor choice

: :

: :

: : friends and fellow asp coders...

: :

: : i am using visual interdev since it was given to me.. but i am running

: into

: : a problem. it adds the width and height attributes to the images

: : automatically, that is all fine and dandy until you are using javascript

: to

: : change thoes images.. i mean i could write more script and have

javascript

: : change the width andheight attributes to reflect the image.. but i dont

: : really want to.. anywayz.. i mainly dont like the idea of VID changing

my

: : content on me.. that isnt a good editor.. so do any of yall know how to

: turn

: : this "feature" off or if not.. what editors do yall use that you like..

i

: : have tested homesite, and i think i like it!! but 100 bucks is 100

bucks..

: : then i also tried HTMLGate 2000 and that is ok.. except for the color

: : coding.. i dont dig the all blue approach.. but what do you guys use

that

: : works and you like?

: :

: : thanks

: : daniel

: :

: : --

: : -----------------------------

: : Daniel O'Dorisio

: : daniel@o...

: : www.odorisio-networks.com

: : -----------------------------

: :

: :

: :




: :

: :

:

:

:




:

:





Message #11 by Brent Latham <Brent2@w...> on Mon, 18 Feb 2002 13:59:26 -0000
hmm...I'm on the case!



/Brent



-----Original Message-----

From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

Sent: 18 February 2002 13:51

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





exactly right..



sucks huh??



--

-----------------------------

Daniel O'Dorisio

daniel@o...

www.odorisio-networks.com

-----------------------------

"Brent Latham" <Brent2@w...> wrote in message

news:147474@a..._forms...

:

: hmm...so what your saying is that your entering your lovely code

:

: <IMG Src="images/myimage.gif" border="0">

:

: etc

:

: and then you right click and view it in the browser and it looks superb.

:

: You then close down interdev, walk over to your project manager and say

here

: is the test URL and suddenly disaster strikes!

:

: You right click on the project managers browser and view source and

: suddenly....

:

: <IMG Src="images/myimage.gif" border="0"> now says

:

: <IMG Src="images/myimage.gif" border="0" Width="100" Height="100">

:

:

: is that it?

:

: Cheers

: Brent

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: Sent: 18 February 2002 13:34

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: i am ashamed you think i use the design tab.. NEVER EVER.. no it actually

: places the attributes right as i exit the file.. everytime.. and i just

: caused me some headache cause i had a really nice jewelery pages... and

then

: the project manager looks at it and goes eeewwww.. great thanks visual

: interdev.. making me look bad.. lol.. i like visual interdev.. but only

: cause im used to the colorcoding.. but i like how homesite automaticall

adds

: the closing tags if you want.. and places your cursor in the correct

spot..

: but i gotta get rid of that auto attribute.. anyone know how? i looked in

: the options but didnt see anything.

:

: thanks

: daniel

:

: --

: -----------------------------

: Daniel O'Dorisio

: daniel@o...

: www.odorisio-networks.com

: -----------------------------

: "Brent Latham" <Brent2@w...> wrote in message

: news:147451@a..._forms...

: :

: : hello m8,

: :

: : I use visual interdev as well and its great so stick with it!  However,

I

: : never ever ever ever never ever ever etc etc use the Design tab to build

: my

: : page.  I just enter the code using the Source tab and then right click

and

: : select the View source in browser option!

: :

: : My boss uses the Design tab and its like Frontpage!  Crap!

: :

: : If you use the Design tab then it will add all sorts of stuff for you

: : automatically!

: :

: : I think thats your problem although I have to admit to being extremely

: : surprised if you are using the design tab and quick view tab!

: :

: : Cheers

: : Brent

: :

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: : Sent: 18 February 2002 12:26

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] editor choice

: :

: :

: : friends and fellow asp coders...

: :

: : i am using visual interdev since it was given to me.. but i am running

: into

: : a problem. it adds the width and height attributes to the images

: : automatically, that is all fine and dandy until you are using javascript

: to

: : change thoes images.. i mean i could write more script and have

javascript

: : change the width andheight attributes to reflect the image.. but i dont

: : really want to.. anywayz.. i mainly dont like the idea of VID changing

my

: : content on me.. that isnt a good editor.. so do any of yall know how to

: turn

: : this "feature" off or if not.. what editors do yall use that you like..

i

: : have tested homesite, and i think i like it!! but 100 bucks is 100

bucks..

: : then i also tried HTMLGate 2000 and that is ok.. except for the color

: : coding.. i dont dig the all blue approach.. but what do you guys use

that

: : works and you like?

: :

: : thanks

: : daniel

: :

: : --

: : -----------------------------

: : Daniel O'Dorisio

: : daniel@o...

: : www.odorisio-networks.com

: : -----------------------------

: :

: :

: :




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: :

: :

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Message #12 by Brent Latham <Brent2@w...> on Mon, 18 Feb 2002 14:01:16 -0000
Does this still happen if you use the Response.write "<IMG >"



or is it just when writing HTML only?



/Brent



-----Original Message-----

From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

Sent: 18 February 2002 13:51

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





exactly right..



sucks huh??



--

-----------------------------

Daniel O'Dorisio

daniel@o...

www.odorisio-networks.com

-----------------------------

"Brent Latham" <Brent2@w...> wrote in message

news:147474@a..._forms...

:

: hmm...so what your saying is that your entering your lovely code

:

: <IMG Src="images/myimage.gif" border="0">

:

: etc

:

: and then you right click and view it in the browser and it looks superb.

:

: You then close down interdev, walk over to your project manager and say

here

: is the test URL and suddenly disaster strikes!

:

: You right click on the project managers browser and view source and

: suddenly....

:

: <IMG Src="images/myimage.gif" border="0"> now says

:

: <IMG Src="images/myimage.gif" border="0" Width="100" Height="100">

:

:

: is that it?

:

: Cheers

: Brent

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: Sent: 18 February 2002 13:34

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: i am ashamed you think i use the design tab.. NEVER EVER.. no it actually

: places the attributes right as i exit the file.. everytime.. and i just

: caused me some headache cause i had a really nice jewelery pages... and

then

: the project manager looks at it and goes eeewwww.. great thanks visual

: interdev.. making me look bad.. lol.. i like visual interdev.. but only

: cause im used to the colorcoding.. but i like how homesite automaticall

adds

: the closing tags if you want.. and places your cursor in the correct

spot..

: but i gotta get rid of that auto attribute.. anyone know how? i looked in

: the options but didnt see anything.

:

: thanks

: daniel

:

: --

: -----------------------------

: Daniel O'Dorisio

: daniel@o...

: www.odorisio-networks.com

: -----------------------------

: "Brent Latham" <Brent2@w...> wrote in message

: news:147451@a..._forms...

: :

: : hello m8,

: :

: : I use visual interdev as well and its great so stick with it!  However,

I

: : never ever ever ever never ever ever etc etc use the Design tab to build

: my

: : page.  I just enter the code using the Source tab and then right click

and

: : select the View source in browser option!

: :

: : My boss uses the Design tab and its like Frontpage!  Crap!

: :

: : If you use the Design tab then it will add all sorts of stuff for you

: : automatically!

: :

: : I think thats your problem although I have to admit to being extremely

: : surprised if you are using the design tab and quick view tab!

: :

: : Cheers

: : Brent

: :

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: : Sent: 18 February 2002 12:26

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] editor choice

: :

: :

: : friends and fellow asp coders...

: :

: : i am using visual interdev since it was given to me.. but i am running

: into

: : a problem. it adds the width and height attributes to the images

: : automatically, that is all fine and dandy until you are using javascript

: to

: : change thoes images.. i mean i could write more script and have

javascript

: : change the width andheight attributes to reflect the image.. but i dont

: : really want to.. anywayz.. i mainly dont like the idea of VID changing

my

: : content on me.. that isnt a good editor.. so do any of yall know how to

: turn

: : this "feature" off or if not.. what editors do yall use that you like..

i

: : have tested homesite, and i think i like it!! but 100 bucks is 100

bucks..

: : then i also tried HTMLGate 2000 and that is ok.. except for the color

: : coding.. i dont dig the all blue approach.. but what do you guys use

that

: : works and you like?

: :

: : thanks

: : daniel

: :

: : --

: : -----------------------------

: : Daniel O'Dorisio

: : daniel@o...

: : www.odorisio-networks.com

: : -----------------------------

: :

: :

: :




$subst('Email.Unsub').

: :

: :

:

:

:




:

:










Message #13 by "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> on Mon, 18 Feb 2002 09:00:22 -0500
I've actually seen that prob on VID.net...

but never 6, and I'm guessing thats what everyone's using...



but VID.net does all the other "cool" stuff you talking about..

adds clost tags, puts your cursor in the right place, and still has

intelletype- which is the biggie in my mind...

It also formats you html really nice, save you hitting the space tab 4 times

if you've got an if in a table in a row in a column ;)







-----Original Message-----

From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 8:45 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





i dont use design view.. please dont put me that low!!!! gosh.. lol.. no but

really.. i dont touch the design button.. but it does add thoes attributes

automatically.. does it for yall? i mean it wont if i put one attrib in

there.. like

<img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla" name="blaimage" id="blaimage"

width="2" />

it wont touch it.. but if i do like:

<img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla name="blaimage" id="blaimage"/> it

turns it into:

<img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla" name="blaimage" id="blaimage" /

WIDTH="32" HEIGHT="32">

and that totally bombs the XHTML specs.. as well as ruins any javascript

rollovers i have..



also have you guys checked out homesite??? woah.. it is pretty sweet.. i

have been looking at it.. (im still looking either for a fix for VID, or a

new editor) and it automatically converts tags to lowercase, has lil

utilities that make coding much easier, nice colorcoding.. HTML tag

complete, the only thing is it dosnt support like the asp object code

complete.. which is a bummer.. and the (tools->references) as brent likes

isnt there.. but i dunno..



daniel



--

-----------------------------

Daniel O'Dorisio

daniel@o...

www.odorisio-networks.com

-----------------------------

"O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

news:147470@a..._forms...

:

: uh oh....

: Brent and Elliott agree...

: This is getting scary..

:

: daniel... you commited the cardnal sin.... and you're  very fortunate that

: the gods of asp only saw fit to punish you with img height and width

: properties.

: I've seen far worse punishments....

:

: Interdev is the best I've ever used... unless you use the design view- if

: you wanna do that, save yourself some money and buy frontpage...

:

: :o)

: Elliott

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 7:54 AM

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] RE: editor choice

:

:

: hello m8,

:

: I use visual interdev as well and its great so stick with it!  However, I

: never ever ever ever never ever ever etc etc use the Design tab to build

my

: page.  I just enter the code using the Source tab and then right click and

: select the View source in browser option!

:

: My boss uses the Design tab and its like Frontpage!  Crap!

:

: If you use the Design tab then it will add all sorts of stuff for you

: automatically!

:

: I think thats your problem although I have to admit to being extremely

: surprised if you are using the design tab and quick view tab!

:

: Cheers

: Brent

:

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: Sent: 18 February 2002 12:26

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] editor choice

:

:

: friends and fellow asp coders...

:

: i am using visual interdev since it was given to me.. but i am running

into

: a problem. it adds the width and height attributes to the images

: automatically, that is all fine and dandy until you are using javascript

to

: change thoes images.. i mean i could write more script and have javascript

: change the width andheight attributes to reflect the image.. but i dont

: really want to.. anywayz.. i mainly dont like the idea of VID changing my

: content on me.. that isnt a good editor.. so do any of yall know how to

turn

: this "feature" off or if not.. what editors do yall use that you like.. i

: have tested homesite, and i think i like it!! but 100 bucks is 100 bucks..

: then i also tried HTMLGate 2000 and that is ok.. except for the color

: coding.. i dont dig the all blue approach.. but what do you guys use that

: works and you like?

:

: thanks

: daniel

:

: --

: -----------------------------

: Daniel O'Dorisio

: daniel@o...

: www.odorisio-networks.com

: -----------------------------

:

:

:




:




:

:










Message #14 by "Daniel" <daniel@o...> on Mon, 18 Feb 2002 09:00:11 -0500
hmm.. you know.. i forgot about that.. i am just using straight up html

though.. i might try that.. except it would still bug me.. to have just one

line of asp in a totally html file.. (SHTML really)



daniel



--

-----------------------------

Daniel O'Dorisio

daniel@o...

www.odorisio-networks.com

-----------------------------

"Brent Latham" <Brent2@w...> wrote in message

news:147483@a..._forms...

:

: Does this still happen if you use the Response.write "<IMG >"

:

: or is it just when writing HTML only?

:

: /Brent

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: Sent: 18 February 2002 13:51

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: exactly right..

:

: sucks huh??

:

: --

: -----------------------------

: Daniel O'Dorisio

: daniel@o...

: www.odorisio-networks.com

: -----------------------------

: "Brent Latham" <Brent2@w...> wrote in message

: news:147474@a..._forms...

: :

: : hmm...so what your saying is that your entering your lovely code

: :

: : <IMG Src="images/myimage.gif" border="0">

: :

: : etc

: :

: : and then you right click and view it in the browser and it looks superb.

: :

: : You then close down interdev, walk over to your project manager and say

: here

: : is the test URL and suddenly disaster strikes!

: :

: : You right click on the project managers browser and view source and

: : suddenly....

: :

: : <IMG Src="images/myimage.gif" border="0"> now says

: :

: : <IMG Src="images/myimage.gif" border="0" Width="100" Height="100">

: :

: :

: : is that it?

: :

: : Cheers

: : Brent

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: : Sent: 18 February 2002 13:34

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : i am ashamed you think i use the design tab.. NEVER EVER.. no it

actually

: : places the attributes right as i exit the file.. everytime.. and i just

: : caused me some headache cause i had a really nice jewelery pages... and

: then

: : the project manager looks at it and goes eeewwww.. great thanks visual

: : interdev.. making me look bad.. lol.. i like visual interdev.. but only

: : cause im used to the colorcoding.. but i like how homesite automaticall

: adds

: : the closing tags if you want.. and places your cursor in the correct

: spot..

: : but i gotta get rid of that auto attribute.. anyone know how? i looked

in

: : the options but didnt see anything.

: :

: : thanks

: : daniel

: :

: : --

: : -----------------------------

: : Daniel O'Dorisio

: : daniel@o...

: : www.odorisio-networks.com

: : -----------------------------

: : "Brent Latham" <Brent2@w...> wrote in message

: : news:147451@a..._forms...

: : :

: : : hello m8,

: : :

: : : I use visual interdev as well and its great so stick with it!

However,

: I

: : : never ever ever ever never ever ever etc etc use the Design tab to

build

: : my

: : : page.  I just enter the code using the Source tab and then right click

: and

: : : select the View source in browser option!

: : :

: : : My boss uses the Design tab and its like Frontpage!  Crap!

: : :

: : : If you use the Design tab then it will add all sorts of stuff for you

: : : automatically!

: : :

: : : I think thats your problem although I have to admit to being extremely

: : : surprised if you are using the design tab and quick view tab!

: : :

: : : Cheers

: : : Brent

: : :

: : :

: : : -----Original Message-----

: : : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: : : Sent: 18 February 2002 12:26

: : : To: ASP Forms

: : : Subject: [asp_forms] editor choice

: : :

: : :

: : : friends and fellow asp coders...

: : :

: : : i am using visual interdev since it was given to me.. but i am running

: : into

: : : a problem. it adds the width and height attributes to the images

: : : automatically, that is all fine and dandy until you are using

javascript

: : to

: : : change thoes images.. i mean i could write more script and have

: javascript

: : : change the width andheight attributes to reflect the image.. but i

dont

: : : really want to.. anywayz.. i mainly dont like the idea of VID changing

: my

: : : content on me.. that isnt a good editor.. so do any of yall know how

to

: : turn

: : : this "feature" off or if not.. what editors do yall use that you

like..

: i

: : : have tested homesite, and i think i like it!! but 100 bucks is 100

: bucks..

: : : then i also tried HTMLGate 2000 and that is ok.. except for the color

: : : coding.. i dont dig the all blue approach.. but what do you guys use

: that

: : : works and you like?

: : :

: : : thanks

: : : daniel

: : :

: : : --

: : : -----------------------------

: : : Daniel O'Dorisio

: : : daniel@o...

: : : www.odorisio-networks.com

: : : -----------------------------

: : :

: : :

: : :




: $subst('Email.Unsub').

: : :

: : :

: :

: :

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: :

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Message #15 by "Daniel" <daniel@o...> on Mon, 18 Feb 2002 09:02:19 -0500
yeah im using vid6.. i really like intelletype.. maybe ill use homesite for

html, and vid6 for asp.. since homesite is a lil cheaper then vid.net..

lol.. ouch.. im not looking forward to a forced upgrade.. but anywayz.. was

there a solution for vid.net?



daniel



--

-----------------------------

Daniel O'Dorisio

daniel@o...

www.odorisio-networks.com

-----------------------------

"O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

news:147484@a..._forms...

:

: I've actually seen that prob on VID.net...

: but never 6, and I'm guessing thats what everyone's using...

:

: but VID.net does all the other "cool" stuff you talking about..

: adds clost tags, puts your cursor in the right place, and still has

: intelletype- which is the biggie in my mind...

: It also formats you html really nice, save you hitting the space tab 4

times

: if you've got an if in a table in a row in a column ;)

:

:

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 8:45 AM

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: i dont use design view.. please dont put me that low!!!! gosh.. lol.. no

but

: really.. i dont touch the design button.. but it does add thoes attributes

: automatically.. does it for yall? i mean it wont if i put one attrib in

: there.. like

: <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla" name="blaimage" id="blaimage"

: width="2" />

: it wont touch it.. but if i do like:

: <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla name="blaimage" id="blaimage"/> it

: turns it into:

: <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla" name="blaimage" id="blaimage" /

: WIDTH="32" HEIGHT="32">

: and that totally bombs the XHTML specs.. as well as ruins any javascript

: rollovers i have..

:

: also have you guys checked out homesite??? woah.. it is pretty sweet.. i

: have been looking at it.. (im still looking either for a fix for VID, or a

: new editor) and it automatically converts tags to lowercase, has lil

: utilities that make coding much easier, nice colorcoding.. HTML tag

: complete, the only thing is it dosnt support like the asp object code

: complete.. which is a bummer.. and the (tools->references) as brent likes

: isnt there.. but i dunno..

:

: daniel

:

: --

: -----------------------------

: Daniel O'Dorisio

: daniel@o...

: www.odorisio-networks.com

: -----------------------------

: "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

: news:147470@a..._forms...

: :

: : uh oh....

: : Brent and Elliott agree...

: : This is getting scary..

: :

: : daniel... you commited the cardnal sin.... and you're  very fortunate

that

: : the gods of asp only saw fit to punish you with img height and width

: : properties.

: : I've seen far worse punishments....

: :

: : Interdev is the best I've ever used... unless you use the design view-

if

: : you wanna do that, save yourself some money and buy frontpage...

: :

: : :o)

: : Elliott

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 7:54 AM

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] RE: editor choice

: :

: :

: : hello m8,

: :

: : I use visual interdev as well and its great so stick with it!  However,

I

: : never ever ever ever never ever ever etc etc use the Design tab to build

: my

: : page.  I just enter the code using the Source tab and then right click

and

: : select the View source in browser option!

: :

: : My boss uses the Design tab and its like Frontpage!  Crap!

: :

: : If you use the Design tab then it will add all sorts of stuff for you

: : automatically!

: :

: : I think thats your problem although I have to admit to being extremely

: : surprised if you are using the design tab and quick view tab!

: :

: : Cheers

: : Brent

: :

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: : Sent: 18 February 2002 12:26

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] editor choice

: :

: :

: : friends and fellow asp coders...

: :

: : i am using visual interdev since it was given to me.. but i am running

: into

: : a problem. it adds the width and height attributes to the images

: : automatically, that is all fine and dandy until you are using javascript

: to

: : change thoes images.. i mean i could write more script and have

javascript

: : change the width andheight attributes to reflect the image.. but i dont

: : really want to.. anywayz.. i mainly dont like the idea of VID changing

my

: : content on me.. that isnt a good editor.. so do any of yall know how to

: turn

: : this "feature" off or if not.. what editors do yall use that you like..

i

: : have tested homesite, and i think i like it!! but 100 bucks is 100

bucks..

: : then i also tried HTMLGate 2000 and that is ok.. except for the color

: : coding.. i dont dig the all blue approach.. but what do you guys use

that

: : works and you like?

: :

: : thanks

: : daniel

: :

: : --

: : -----------------------------

: : Daniel O'Dorisio

: : daniel@o...

: : www.odorisio-networks.com

: : -----------------------------

: :

: :

: :




: :




: :

: :

:

:

:




:

:





Message #16 by Brent Latham <Brent2@w...> on Mon, 18 Feb 2002 14:11:49 -0000
Okay your problem happens only....happens when I paste an image in the

design mode and then every single img tag gets upgraded and looks like

this



<IMG height=57 src="Images/background.jpg" width=800 border=0>



note the height element is before the src element!  I never ever do that!



What does yours look like?



/Brent







-----Original Message-----

From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

Sent: 18 February 2002 14:00

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





I've actually seen that prob on VID.net...

but never 6, and I'm guessing thats what everyone's using...



but VID.net does all the other "cool" stuff you talking about..

adds clost tags, puts your cursor in the right place, and still has

intelletype- which is the biggie in my mind...

It also formats you html really nice, save you hitting the space tab 4 times

if you've got an if in a table in a row in a column ;)







-----Original Message-----

From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 8:45 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





i dont use design view.. please dont put me that low!!!! gosh.. lol.. no but

really.. i dont touch the design button.. but it does add thoes attributes

automatically.. does it for yall? i mean it wont if i put one attrib in

there.. like

<img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla" name="blaimage" id="blaimage"

width="2" />

it wont touch it.. but if i do like:

<img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla name="blaimage" id="blaimage"/> it

turns it into:

<img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla" name="blaimage" id="blaimage" /

WIDTH="32" HEIGHT="32">

and that totally bombs the XHTML specs.. as well as ruins any javascript

rollovers i have..



also have you guys checked out homesite??? woah.. it is pretty sweet.. i

have been looking at it.. (im still looking either for a fix for VID, or a

new editor) and it automatically converts tags to lowercase, has lil

utilities that make coding much easier, nice colorcoding.. HTML tag

complete, the only thing is it dosnt support like the asp object code

complete.. which is a bummer.. and the (tools->references) as brent likes

isnt there.. but i dunno..



daniel



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-----------------------------

"O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

news:147470@a..._forms...

:

: uh oh....

: Brent and Elliott agree...

: This is getting scary..

:

: daniel... you commited the cardnal sin.... and you're  very fortunate that

: the gods of asp only saw fit to punish you with img height and width

: properties.

: I've seen far worse punishments....

:

: Interdev is the best I've ever used... unless you use the design view- if

: you wanna do that, save yourself some money and buy frontpage...

:

: :o)

: Elliott

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 7:54 AM

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] RE: editor choice

:

:

: hello m8,

:

: I use visual interdev as well and its great so stick with it!  However, I

: never ever ever ever never ever ever etc etc use the Design tab to build

my

: page.  I just enter the code using the Source tab and then right click and

: select the View source in browser option!

:

: My boss uses the Design tab and its like Frontpage!  Crap!

:

: If you use the Design tab then it will add all sorts of stuff for you

: automatically!

:

: I think thats your problem although I have to admit to being extremely

: surprised if you are using the design tab and quick view tab!

:

: Cheers

: Brent

:

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: Sent: 18 February 2002 12:26

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] editor choice

:

:

: friends and fellow asp coders...

:

: i am using visual interdev since it was given to me.. but i am running

into

: a problem. it adds the width and height attributes to the images

: automatically, that is all fine and dandy until you are using javascript

to

: change thoes images.. i mean i could write more script and have javascript

: change the width andheight attributes to reflect the image.. but i dont

: really want to.. anywayz.. i mainly dont like the idea of VID changing my

: content on me.. that isnt a good editor.. so do any of yall know how to

turn

: this "feature" off or if not.. what editors do yall use that you like.. i

: have tested homesite, and i think i like it!! but 100 bucks is 100 bucks..

: then i also tried HTMLGate 2000 and that is ok.. except for the color

: coding.. i dont dig the all blue approach.. but what do you guys use that

: works and you like?

:

: thanks

: daniel

:

: --

: -----------------------------

: Daniel O'Dorisio

: daniel@o...

: www.odorisio-networks.com

: -----------------------------

:

:

:




:




:

:















Message #17 by Brent Latham <Brent2@w...> on Mon, 18 Feb 2002 14:14:40 -0000
Right - own up Danny....I'm getting closer and it looks like your

on dangerous coding grounds!



Your not dragging and dropping your images from explorer into InterDev

are YOU???



If you are then try adding file instead



Cheers

Brent



-----Original Message-----

From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

Sent: 18 February 2002 14:02

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





yeah im using vid6.. i really like intelletype.. maybe ill use homesite for

html, and vid6 for asp.. since homesite is a lil cheaper then vid.net..

lol.. ouch.. im not looking forward to a forced upgrade.. but anywayz.. was

there a solution for vid.net?



daniel



--

-----------------------------

Daniel O'Dorisio

daniel@o...

www.odorisio-networks.com

-----------------------------

"O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

news:147484@a..._forms...

:

: I've actually seen that prob on VID.net...

: but never 6, and I'm guessing thats what everyone's using...

:

: but VID.net does all the other "cool" stuff you talking about..

: adds clost tags, puts your cursor in the right place, and still has

: intelletype- which is the biggie in my mind...

: It also formats you html really nice, save you hitting the space tab 4

times

: if you've got an if in a table in a row in a column ;)

:

:

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 8:45 AM

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: i dont use design view.. please dont put me that low!!!! gosh.. lol.. no

but

: really.. i dont touch the design button.. but it does add thoes attributes

: automatically.. does it for yall? i mean it wont if i put one attrib in

: there.. like

: <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla" name="blaimage" id="blaimage"

: width="2" />

: it wont touch it.. but if i do like:

: <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla name="blaimage" id="blaimage"/> it

: turns it into:

: <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla" name="blaimage" id="blaimage" /

: WIDTH="32" HEIGHT="32">

: and that totally bombs the XHTML specs.. as well as ruins any javascript

: rollovers i have..

:

: also have you guys checked out homesite??? woah.. it is pretty sweet.. i

: have been looking at it.. (im still looking either for a fix for VID, or a

: new editor) and it automatically converts tags to lowercase, has lil

: utilities that make coding much easier, nice colorcoding.. HTML tag

: complete, the only thing is it dosnt support like the asp object code

: complete.. which is a bummer.. and the (tools->references) as brent likes

: isnt there.. but i dunno..

:

: daniel

:

: --

: -----------------------------

: Daniel O'Dorisio

: daniel@o...

: www.odorisio-networks.com

: -----------------------------

: "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

: news:147470@a..._forms...

: :

: : uh oh....

: : Brent and Elliott agree...

: : This is getting scary..

: :

: : daniel... you commited the cardnal sin.... and you're  very fortunate

that

: : the gods of asp only saw fit to punish you with img height and width

: : properties.

: : I've seen far worse punishments....

: :

: : Interdev is the best I've ever used... unless you use the design view-

if

: : you wanna do that, save yourself some money and buy frontpage...

: :

: : :o)

: : Elliott

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 7:54 AM

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] RE: editor choice

: :

: :

: : hello m8,

: :

: : I use visual interdev as well and its great so stick with it!  However,

I

: : never ever ever ever never ever ever etc etc use the Design tab to build

: my

: : page.  I just enter the code using the Source tab and then right click

and

: : select the View source in browser option!

: :

: : My boss uses the Design tab and its like Frontpage!  Crap!

: :

: : If you use the Design tab then it will add all sorts of stuff for you

: : automatically!

: :

: : I think thats your problem although I have to admit to being extremely

: : surprised if you are using the design tab and quick view tab!

: :

: : Cheers

: : Brent

: :

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: : Sent: 18 February 2002 12:26

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] editor choice

: :

: :

: : friends and fellow asp coders...

: :

: : i am using visual interdev since it was given to me.. but i am running

: into

: : a problem. it adds the width and height attributes to the images

: : automatically, that is all fine and dandy until you are using javascript

: to

: : change thoes images.. i mean i could write more script and have

javascript

: : change the width andheight attributes to reflect the image.. but i dont

: : really want to.. anywayz.. i mainly dont like the idea of VID changing

my

: : content on me.. that isnt a good editor.. so do any of yall know how to

: turn

: : this "feature" off or if not.. what editors do yall use that you like..

i

: : have tested homesite, and i think i like it!! but 100 bucks is 100

bucks..

: : then i also tried HTMLGate 2000 and that is ok.. except for the color

: : coding.. i dont dig the all blue approach.. but what do you guys use

that

: : works and you like?

: :

: : thanks

: : daniel

: :

: : --

: : -----------------------------

: : Daniel O'Dorisio

: : daniel@o...

: : www.odorisio-networks.com

: : -----------------------------

: :

: :

: :




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Message #18 by "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> on Mon, 18 Feb 2002 09:12:08 -0500
yeah.. it was right in options...



.net was really really nice... I mean really nice- I'm still using 6 because

I like projects. Not the DE, just the fact that I can see all my files and

folders and everything... I had a problem with .net- can't remeber what it

was though. We're not using .net tech yet anyways so I'm holding off..



But I'd highly recommend VID.net if you like 6- it makes life really nice...





-----Original Message-----

From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:02 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





yeah im using vid6.. i really like intelletype.. maybe ill use homesite for

html, and vid6 for asp.. since homesite is a lil cheaper then vid.net..

lol.. ouch.. im not looking forward to a forced upgrade.. but anywayz.. was

there a solution for vid.net?



daniel



--

-----------------------------

Daniel O'Dorisio

daniel@o...

www.odorisio-networks.com

-----------------------------

"O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

news:147484@a..._forms...

:

: I've actually seen that prob on VID.net...

: but never 6, and I'm guessing thats what everyone's using...

:

: but VID.net does all the other "cool" stuff you talking about..

: adds clost tags, puts your cursor in the right place, and still has

: intelletype- which is the biggie in my mind...

: It also formats you html really nice, save you hitting the space tab 4

times

: if you've got an if in a table in a row in a column ;)

:

:

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 8:45 AM

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: i dont use design view.. please dont put me that low!!!! gosh.. lol.. no

but

: really.. i dont touch the design button.. but it does add thoes attributes

: automatically.. does it for yall? i mean it wont if i put one attrib in

: there.. like

: <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla" name="blaimage" id="blaimage"

: width="2" />

: it wont touch it.. but if i do like:

: <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla name="blaimage" id="blaimage"/> it

: turns it into:

: <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla" name="blaimage" id="blaimage" /

: WIDTH="32" HEIGHT="32">

: and that totally bombs the XHTML specs.. as well as ruins any javascript

: rollovers i have..

:

: also have you guys checked out homesite??? woah.. it is pretty sweet.. i

: have been looking at it.. (im still looking either for a fix for VID, or a

: new editor) and it automatically converts tags to lowercase, has lil

: utilities that make coding much easier, nice colorcoding.. HTML tag

: complete, the only thing is it dosnt support like the asp object code

: complete.. which is a bummer.. and the (tools->references) as brent likes

: isnt there.. but i dunno..

:

: daniel

:

: --

: -----------------------------

: Daniel O'Dorisio

: daniel@o...

: www.odorisio-networks.com

: -----------------------------

: "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

: news:147470@a..._forms...

: :

: : uh oh....

: : Brent and Elliott agree...

: : This is getting scary..

: :

: : daniel... you commited the cardnal sin.... and you're  very fortunate

that

: : the gods of asp only saw fit to punish you with img height and width

: : properties.

: : I've seen far worse punishments....

: :

: : Interdev is the best I've ever used... unless you use the design view-

if

: : you wanna do that, save yourself some money and buy frontpage...

: :

: : :o)

: : Elliott

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 7:54 AM

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] RE: editor choice

: :

: :

: : hello m8,

: :

: : I use visual interdev as well and its great so stick with it!  However,

I

: : never ever ever ever never ever ever etc etc use the Design tab to build

: my

: : page.  I just enter the code using the Source tab and then right click

and

: : select the View source in browser option!

: :

: : My boss uses the Design tab and its like Frontpage!  Crap!

: :

: : If you use the Design tab then it will add all sorts of stuff for you

: : automatically!

: :

: : I think thats your problem although I have to admit to being extremely

: : surprised if you are using the design tab and quick view tab!

: :

: : Cheers

: : Brent

: :

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: : Sent: 18 February 2002 12:26

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] editor choice

: :

: :

: : friends and fellow asp coders...

: :

: : i am using visual interdev since it was given to me.. but i am running

: into

: : a problem. it adds the width and height attributes to the images

: : automatically, that is all fine and dandy until you are using javascript

: to

: : change thoes images.. i mean i could write more script and have

javascript

: : change the width andheight attributes to reflect the image.. but i dont

: : really want to.. anywayz.. i mainly dont like the idea of VID changing

my

: : content on me.. that isnt a good editor.. so do any of yall know how to

: turn

: : this "feature" off or if not.. what editors do yall use that you like..

i

: : have tested homesite, and i think i like it!! but 100 bucks is 100

bucks..

: : then i also tried HTMLGate 2000 and that is ok.. except for the color

: : coding.. i dont dig the all blue approach.. but what do you guys use

that

: : works and you like?

: :

: : thanks

: : daniel

: :

: : --

: : -----------------------------

: : Daniel O'Dorisio

: : daniel@o...

: : www.odorisio-networks.com

: : -----------------------------

: :

: :

: :




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Message #19 by "Mitch Swetsky" <mswetsky@r...> on Mon, 18 Feb 2002 08:58:52 -0500
Has anyone tried Dreamweaver? There are free trials available at Macr...com

It also has a color coded code window live data viewer similar to interdev.

Mitch

----- Original Message -----

From: Brent Latham <Brent2@w...>

To: ASP Forms <asp_forms@p...>

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:01 AM

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





> Does this still happen if you use the Response.write "<IMG >"

>

> or is it just when writing HTML only?

>

> /Brent

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

> Sent: 18 February 2002 13:51

> To: ASP Forms

> Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

>

>

> exactly right..

>

> sucks huh??

>

> --

> -----------------------------

> Daniel O'Dorisio

> daniel@o...

> www.odorisio-networks.com

> -----------------------------

> "Brent Latham" <Brent2@w...> wrote in message

> news:147474@a..._forms...

> :

> : hmm...so what your saying is that your entering your lovely code

> :

> : <IMG Src="images/myimage.gif" border="0">

> :

> : etc

> :

> : and then you right click and view it in the browser and it looks superb.

> :

> : You then close down interdev, walk over to your project manager and say

> here

> : is the test URL and suddenly disaster strikes!

> :

> : You right click on the project managers browser and view source and

> : suddenly....

> :

> : <IMG Src="images/myimage.gif" border="0"> now says

> :

> : <IMG Src="images/myimage.gif" border="0" Width="100" Height="100">

> :

> :

> : is that it?

> :

> : Cheers

> : Brent

> : -----Original Message-----

> : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

> : Sent: 18 February 2002 13:34

> : To: ASP Forms

> : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

> :

> :

> : i am ashamed you think i use the design tab.. NEVER EVER.. no it

actually

> : places the attributes right as i exit the file.. everytime.. and i just

> : caused me some headache cause i had a really nice jewelery pages... and

> then

> : the project manager looks at it and goes eeewwww.. great thanks visual

> : interdev.. making me look bad.. lol.. i like visual interdev.. but only

> : cause im used to the colorcoding.. but i like how homesite automaticall

> adds

> : the closing tags if you want.. and places your cursor in the correct

> spot..

> : but i gotta get rid of that auto attribute.. anyone know how? i looked

in

> : the options but didnt see anything.

> :

> : thanks

> : daniel

> :

> : --

> : -----------------------------

> : Daniel O'Dorisio

> : daniel@o...

> : www.odorisio-networks.com

> : -----------------------------

> : "Brent Latham" <Brent2@w...> wrote in message

> : news:147451@a..._forms...

> : :

> : : hello m8,

> : :

> : : I use visual interdev as well and its great so stick with it!

However,

> I

> : : never ever ever ever never ever ever etc etc use the Design tab to

build

> : my

> : : page.  I just enter the code using the Source tab and then right click

> and

> : : select the View source in browser option!

> : :

> : : My boss uses the Design tab and its like Frontpage!  Crap!

> : :

> : : If you use the Design tab then it will add all sorts of stuff for you

> : : automatically!

> : :

> : : I think thats your problem although I have to admit to being extremely

> : : surprised if you are using the design tab and quick view tab!

> : :

> : : Cheers

> : : Brent

> : :

> : :

> : : -----Original Message-----

> : : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

> : : Sent: 18 February 2002 12:26

> : : To: ASP Forms

> : : Subject: [asp_forms] editor choice

> : :

> : :

> : : friends and fellow asp coders...

> : :

> : : i am using visual interdev since it was given to me.. but i am running

> : into

> : : a problem. it adds the width and height attributes to the images

> : : automatically, that is all fine and dandy until you are using

javascript

> : to

> : : change thoes images.. i mean i could write more script and have

> javascript

> : : change the width andheight attributes to reflect the image.. but i

dont

> : : really want to.. anywayz.. i mainly dont like the idea of VID changing

> my

> : : content on me.. that isnt a good editor.. so do any of yall know how

to

> : turn

> : : this "feature" off or if not.. what editors do yall use that you

like..

> i

> : : have tested homesite, and i think i like it!! but 100 bucks is 100

> bucks..

> : : then i also tried HTMLGate 2000 and that is ok.. except for the color

> : : coding.. i dont dig the all blue approach.. but what do you guys use

> that

> : : works and you like?

> : :

> : : thanks

> : : daniel

> : :

> : : --

> : : -----------------------------

> : : Daniel O'Dorisio

> : : daniel@o...

> : : www.odorisio-networks.com

> : : -----------------------------

> : :

> : :

> : :




> $subst('Email.Unsub').

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Message #20 by "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> on Mon, 18 Feb 2002 09:22:02 -0500
LOL...

we don't have another bout here, do we???



I'm actually working today, so I can't write a new stored procedure to score

it...

but I'll gladly be a spectator...



Dan,

I played som b-ball yesterday... my knee is killing me!

About body slammed some guy 'cause he kept camping out in the paint. I mean

geez, it 'aint NBA out there, but you've gotta move every once in a while

right???

15 seconds???





-----Original Message-----

From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:15 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





Right - own up Danny....I'm getting closer and it looks like your

on dangerous coding grounds!



Your not dragging and dropping your images from explorer into InterDev

are YOU???



If you are then try adding file instead



Cheers

Brent



-----Original Message-----

From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

Sent: 18 February 2002 14:02

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





yeah im using vid6.. i really like intelletype.. maybe ill use homesite for

html, and vid6 for asp.. since homesite is a lil cheaper then vid.net..

lol.. ouch.. im not looking forward to a forced upgrade.. but anywayz.. was

there a solution for vid.net?



daniel



--

-----------------------------

Daniel O'Dorisio

daniel@o...

www.odorisio-networks.com

-----------------------------

"O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

news:147484@a..._forms...

:

: I've actually seen that prob on VID.net...

: but never 6, and I'm guessing thats what everyone's using...

:

: but VID.net does all the other "cool" stuff you talking about..

: adds clost tags, puts your cursor in the right place, and still has

: intelletype- which is the biggie in my mind...

: It also formats you html really nice, save you hitting the space tab 4

times

: if you've got an if in a table in a row in a column ;)

:

:

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 8:45 AM

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: i dont use design view.. please dont put me that low!!!! gosh.. lol.. no

but

: really.. i dont touch the design button.. but it does add thoes attributes

: automatically.. does it for yall? i mean it wont if i put one attrib in

: there.. like

: <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla" name="blaimage" id="blaimage"

: width="2" />

: it wont touch it.. but if i do like:

: <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla name="blaimage" id="blaimage"/> it

: turns it into:

: <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla" name="blaimage" id="blaimage" /

: WIDTH="32" HEIGHT="32">

: and that totally bombs the XHTML specs.. as well as ruins any javascript

: rollovers i have..

:

: also have you guys checked out homesite??? woah.. it is pretty sweet.. i

: have been looking at it.. (im still looking either for a fix for VID, or a

: new editor) and it automatically converts tags to lowercase, has lil

: utilities that make coding much easier, nice colorcoding.. HTML tag

: complete, the only thing is it dosnt support like the asp object code

: complete.. which is a bummer.. and the (tools->references) as brent likes

: isnt there.. but i dunno..

:

: daniel

:

: --

: -----------------------------

: Daniel O'Dorisio

: daniel@o...

: www.odorisio-networks.com

: -----------------------------

: "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

: news:147470@a..._forms...

: :

: : uh oh....

: : Brent and Elliott agree...

: : This is getting scary..

: :

: : daniel... you commited the cardnal sin.... and you're  very fortunate

that

: : the gods of asp only saw fit to punish you with img height and width

: : properties.

: : I've seen far worse punishments....

: :

: : Interdev is the best I've ever used... unless you use the design view-

if

: : you wanna do that, save yourself some money and buy frontpage...

: :

: : :o)

: : Elliott

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 7:54 AM

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] RE: editor choice

: :

: :

: : hello m8,

: :

: : I use visual interdev as well and its great so stick with it!  However,

I

: : never ever ever ever never ever ever etc etc use the Design tab to build

: my

: : page.  I just enter the code using the Source tab and then right click

and

: : select the View source in browser option!

: :

: : My boss uses the Design tab and its like Frontpage!  Crap!

: :

: : If you use the Design tab then it will add all sorts of stuff for you

: : automatically!

: :

: : I think thats your problem although I have to admit to being extremely

: : surprised if you are using the design tab and quick view tab!

: :

: : Cheers

: : Brent

: :

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: : Sent: 18 February 2002 12:26

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] editor choice

: :

: :

: : friends and fellow asp coders...

: :

: : i am using visual interdev since it was given to me.. but i am running

: into

: : a problem. it adds the width and height attributes to the images

: : automatically, that is all fine and dandy until you are using javascript

: to

: : change thoes images.. i mean i could write more script and have

javascript

: : change the width andheight attributes to reflect the image.. but i dont

: : really want to.. anywayz.. i mainly dont like the idea of VID changing

my

: : content on me.. that isnt a good editor.. so do any of yall know how to

: turn

: : this "feature" off or if not.. what editors do yall use that you like..

i

: : have tested homesite, and i think i like it!! but 100 bucks is 100

bucks..

: : then i also tried HTMLGate 2000 and that is ok.. except for the color

: : coding.. i dont dig the all blue approach.. but what do you guys use

that

: : works and you like?

: :

: : thanks

: : daniel

: :

: : --

: : -----------------------------

: : Daniel O'Dorisio

: : daniel@o...

: : www.odorisio-networks.com

: : -----------------------------

: :

: :

: :




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Message #21 by Brent Latham <Brent2@w...> on Mon, 18 Feb 2002 14:30:27 -0000
lol 



The last time I played B-Ball was at a camp when I was hit by major cramp.

I did a massive jump, hooked the ball into the net before falling on the

floor writhing around in pain....at least the ball went in!



I hate cramp!  its a nightmare!



/Brent



-----Original Message-----

From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

Sent: 18 February 2002 14:22

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





LOL...

we don't have another bout here, do we???



I'm actually working today, so I can't write a new stored procedure to score

it...

but I'll gladly be a spectator...



Dan,

I played som b-ball yesterday... my knee is killing me!

About body slammed some guy 'cause he kept camping out in the paint. I mean

geez, it 'aint NBA out there, but you've gotta move every once in a while

right???

15 seconds???





-----Original Message-----

From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:15 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





Right - own up Danny....I'm getting closer and it looks like your

on dangerous coding grounds!



Your not dragging and dropping your images from explorer into InterDev

are YOU???



If you are then try adding file instead



Cheers

Brent



-----Original Message-----

From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

Sent: 18 February 2002 14:02

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





yeah im using vid6.. i really like intelletype.. maybe ill use homesite for

html, and vid6 for asp.. since homesite is a lil cheaper then vid.net..

lol.. ouch.. im not looking forward to a forced upgrade.. but anywayz.. was

there a solution for vid.net?



daniel



--

-----------------------------

Daniel O'Dorisio

daniel@o...

www.odorisio-networks.com

-----------------------------

"O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

news:147484@a..._forms...

:

: I've actually seen that prob on VID.net...

: but never 6, and I'm guessing thats what everyone's using...

:

: but VID.net does all the other "cool" stuff you talking about..

: adds clost tags, puts your cursor in the right place, and still has

: intelletype- which is the biggie in my mind...

: It also formats you html really nice, save you hitting the space tab 4

times

: if you've got an if in a table in a row in a column ;)

:

:

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 8:45 AM

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: i dont use design view.. please dont put me that low!!!! gosh.. lol.. no

but

: really.. i dont touch the design button.. but it does add thoes attributes

: automatically.. does it for yall? i mean it wont if i put one attrib in

: there.. like

: <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla" name="blaimage" id="blaimage"

: width="2" />

: it wont touch it.. but if i do like:

: <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla name="blaimage" id="blaimage"/> it

: turns it into:

: <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla" name="blaimage" id="blaimage" /

: WIDTH="32" HEIGHT="32">

: and that totally bombs the XHTML specs.. as well as ruins any javascript

: rollovers i have..

:

: also have you guys checked out homesite??? woah.. it is pretty sweet.. i

: have been looking at it.. (im still looking either for a fix for VID, or a

: new editor) and it automatically converts tags to lowercase, has lil

: utilities that make coding much easier, nice colorcoding.. HTML tag

: complete, the only thing is it dosnt support like the asp object code

: complete.. which is a bummer.. and the (tools->references) as brent likes

: isnt there.. but i dunno..

:

: daniel

:

: --

: -----------------------------

: Daniel O'Dorisio

: daniel@o...

: www.odorisio-networks.com

: -----------------------------

: "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

: news:147470@a..._forms...

: :

: : uh oh....

: : Brent and Elliott agree...

: : This is getting scary..

: :

: : daniel... you commited the cardnal sin.... and you're  very fortunate

that

: : the gods of asp only saw fit to punish you with img height and width

: : properties.

: : I've seen far worse punishments....

: :

: : Interdev is the best I've ever used... unless you use the design view-

if

: : you wanna do that, save yourself some money and buy frontpage...

: :

: : :o)

: : Elliott

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 7:54 AM

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] RE: editor choice

: :

: :

: : hello m8,

: :

: : I use visual interdev as well and its great so stick with it!  However,

I

: : never ever ever ever never ever ever etc etc use the Design tab to build

: my

: : page.  I just enter the code using the Source tab and then right click

and

: : select the View source in browser option!

: :

: : My boss uses the Design tab and its like Frontpage!  Crap!

: :

: : If you use the Design tab then it will add all sorts of stuff for you

: : automatically!

: :

: : I think thats your problem although I have to admit to being extremely

: : surprised if you are using the design tab and quick view tab!

: :

: : Cheers

: : Brent

: :

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: : Sent: 18 February 2002 12:26

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] editor choice

: :

: :

: : friends and fellow asp coders...

: :

: : i am using visual interdev since it was given to me.. but i am running

: into

: : a problem. it adds the width and height attributes to the images

: : automatically, that is all fine and dandy until you are using javascript

: to

: : change thoes images.. i mean i could write more script and have

javascript

: : change the width andheight attributes to reflect the image.. but i dont

: : really want to.. anywayz.. i mainly dont like the idea of VID changing

my

: : content on me.. that isnt a good editor.. so do any of yall know how to

: turn

: : this "feature" off or if not.. what editors do yall use that you like..

i

: : have tested homesite, and i think i like it!! but 100 bucks is 100

bucks..

: : then i also tried HTMLGate 2000 and that is ok.. except for the color

: : coding.. i dont dig the all blue approach.. but what do you guys use

that

: : works and you like?

: :

: : thanks

: : daniel

: :

: : --

: : -----------------------------

: : Daniel O'Dorisio

: : daniel@o...

: : www.odorisio-networks.com

: : -----------------------------

: :

: :

: :




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Message #22 by "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> on Mon, 18 Feb 2002 09:29:20 -0500
no.. i haven't.

It doesn't have intelletype though does it???



Plus, it might just be me- but I gave up the no microsoft fight long ago.

I buy MS for everything I can... Just works out better. i'm fortunate enough

to work for a company that gets me anything MS I want- actually already has

Enterprise lisc. for all of it- so I might be a bit biased...



But I'm all about Response.W<tab> and rs.M<tab>

And I've never seen another product that lets me do that...

Code junkies are supposed to be lazy- makes for more effective codeing- plus

I can get the secritaries to take out my trash...

:o)





-----Original Message-----

From: Mitch Swetsky [mailto:mswetsky@r...]

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 8:59 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





Has anyone tried Dreamweaver? There are free trials available at Macr...com

It also has a color coded code window live data viewer similar to interdev.

Mitch

----- Original Message -----

From: Brent Latham <Brent2@w...>

To: ASP Forms <asp_forms@p...>

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:01 AM

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





> Does this still happen if you use the Response.write "<IMG >"

>

> or is it just when writing HTML only?

>

> /Brent

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

> Sent: 18 February 2002 13:51

> To: ASP Forms

> Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

>

>

> exactly right..

>

> sucks huh??

>

> --

> -----------------------------

> Daniel O'Dorisio

> daniel@o...

> www.odorisio-networks.com

> -----------------------------

> "Brent Latham" <Brent2@w...> wrote in message

> news:147474@a..._forms...

> :

> : hmm...so what your saying is that your entering your lovely code

> :

> : <IMG Src="images/myimage.gif" border="0">

> :

> : etc

> :

> : and then you right click and view it in the browser and it looks superb.

> :

> : You then close down interdev, walk over to your project manager and say

> here

> : is the test URL and suddenly disaster strikes!

> :

> : You right click on the project managers browser and view source and

> : suddenly....

> :

> : <IMG Src="images/myimage.gif" border="0"> now says

> :

> : <IMG Src="images/myimage.gif" border="0" Width="100" Height="100">

> :

> :

> : is that it?

> :

> : Cheers

> : Brent

> : -----Original Message-----

> : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

> : Sent: 18 February 2002 13:34

> : To: ASP Forms

> : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

> :

> :

> : i am ashamed you think i use the design tab.. NEVER EVER.. no it

actually

> : places the attributes right as i exit the file.. everytime.. and i just

> : caused me some headache cause i had a really nice jewelery pages... and

> then

> : the project manager looks at it and goes eeewwww.. great thanks visual

> : interdev.. making me look bad.. lol.. i like visual interdev.. but only

> : cause im used to the colorcoding.. but i like how homesite automaticall

> adds

> : the closing tags if you want.. and places your cursor in the correct

> spot..

> : but i gotta get rid of that auto attribute.. anyone know how? i looked

in

> : the options but didnt see anything.

> :

> : thanks

> : daniel

> :

> : --

> : -----------------------------

> : Daniel O'Dorisio

> : daniel@o...

> : www.odorisio-networks.com

> : -----------------------------

> : "Brent Latham" <Brent2@w...> wrote in message

> : news:147451@a..._forms...

> : :

> : : hello m8,

> : :

> : : I use visual interdev as well and its great so stick with it!

However,

> I

> : : never ever ever ever never ever ever etc etc use the Design tab to

build

> : my

> : : page.  I just enter the code using the Source tab and then right click

> and

> : : select the View source in browser option!

> : :

> : : My boss uses the Design tab and its like Frontpage!  Crap!

> : :

> : : If you use the Design tab then it will add all sorts of stuff for you

> : : automatically!

> : :

> : : I think thats your problem although I have to admit to being extremely

> : : surprised if you are using the design tab and quick view tab!

> : :

> : : Cheers

> : : Brent

> : :

> : :

> : : -----Original Message-----

> : : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

> : : Sent: 18 February 2002 12:26

> : : To: ASP Forms

> : : Subject: [asp_forms] editor choice

> : :

> : :

> : : friends and fellow asp coders...

> : :

> : : i am using visual interdev since it was given to me.. but i am running

> : into

> : : a problem. it adds the width and height attributes to the images

> : : automatically, that is all fine and dandy until you are using

javascript

> : to

> : : change thoes images.. i mean i could write more script and have

> javascript

> : : change the width andheight attributes to reflect the image.. but i

dont

> : : really want to.. anywayz.. i mainly dont like the idea of VID changing

> my

> : : content on me.. that isnt a good editor.. so do any of yall know how

to

> : turn

> : : this "feature" off or if not.. what editors do yall use that you

like..

> i

> : : have tested homesite, and i think i like it!! but 100 bucks is 100

> bucks..

> : : then i also tried HTMLGate 2000 and that is ok.. except for the color

> : : coding.. i dont dig the all blue approach.. but what do you guys use

> that

> : : works and you like?

> : :

> : : thanks

> : : daniel

> : :

> : : --

> : : -----------------------------

> : : Daniel O'Dorisio

> : : daniel@o...

> : : www.odorisio-networks.com

> : : -----------------------------

> : :

> : :

> : :




> $subst('Email.Unsub').

> : :

> : :

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Message #23 by "Locke, Darrell (FCS/SFC)" <Darrell.Locke@g...> on Mon, 18 Feb 2002 10:30:59 -0400
So who is going to hook me up in a job over there?? You guys have too much

fun. B-ball, and stuff.  Sounds fun!



-----Original Message-----

From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...] 

Sent: February 18, 2002 10:30 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice



lol 



The last time I played B-Ball was at a camp when I was hit by major cramp.

I did a massive jump, hooked the ball into the net before falling on the

floor writhing around in pain....at least the ball went in!



I hate cramp!  its a nightmare!



/Brent



-----Original Message-----

From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

Sent: 18 February 2002 14:22

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





LOL...

we don't have another bout here, do we???



I'm actually working today, so I can't write a new stored procedure to score

it...

but I'll gladly be a spectator...



Dan,

I played som b-ball yesterday... my knee is killing me!

About body slammed some guy 'cause he kept camping out in the paint. I mean

geez, it 'aint NBA out there, but you've gotta move every once in a while

right???

15 seconds???





-----Original Message-----

From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:15 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





Right - own up Danny....I'm getting closer and it looks like your

on dangerous coding grounds!



Your not dragging and dropping your images from explorer into InterDev

are YOU???



If you are then try adding file instead



Cheers

Brent



-----Original Message-----

From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

Sent: 18 February 2002 14:02

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





yeah im using vid6.. i really like intelletype.. maybe ill use homesite for

html, and vid6 for asp.. since homesite is a lil cheaper then vid.net..

lol.. ouch.. im not looking forward to a forced upgrade.. but anywayz.. was

there a solution for vid.net?



daniel



--

-----------------------------

Daniel O'Dorisio

daniel@o...

www.odorisio-networks.com

-----------------------------

"O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

news:147484@a..._forms...

:

: I've actually seen that prob on VID.net...

: but never 6, and I'm guessing thats what everyone's using...

:

: but VID.net does all the other "cool" stuff you talking about..

: adds clost tags, puts your cursor in the right place, and still has

: intelletype- which is the biggie in my mind...

: It also formats you html really nice, save you hitting the space tab 4

times

: if you've got an if in a table in a row in a column ;)

:

:

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 8:45 AM

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: i dont use design view.. please dont put me that low!!!! gosh.. lol.. no

but

: really.. i dont touch the design button.. but it does add thoes attributes

: automatically.. does it for yall? i mean it wont if i put one attrib in

: there.. like

: <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla" name="blaimage" id="blaimage"

: width="2" />

: it wont touch it.. but if i do like:

: <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla name="blaimage" id="blaimage"/> it

: turns it into:

: <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla" name="blaimage" id="blaimage" /

: WIDTH="32" HEIGHT="32">

: and that totally bombs the XHTML specs.. as well as ruins any javascript

: rollovers i have..

:

: also have you guys checked out homesite??? woah.. it is pretty sweet.. i

: have been looking at it.. (im still looking either for a fix for VID, or a

: new editor) and it automatically converts tags to lowercase, has lil

: utilities that make coding much easier, nice colorcoding.. HTML tag

: complete, the only thing is it dosnt support like the asp object code

: complete.. which is a bummer.. and the (tools->references) as brent likes

: isnt there.. but i dunno..

:

: daniel

:

: --

: -----------------------------

: Daniel O'Dorisio

: daniel@o...

: www.odorisio-networks.com

: -----------------------------

: "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

: news:147470@a..._forms...

: :

: : uh oh....

: : Brent and Elliott agree...

: : This is getting scary..

: :

: : daniel... you commited the cardnal sin.... and you're  very fortunate

that

: : the gods of asp only saw fit to punish you with img height and width

: : properties.

: : I've seen far worse punishments....

: :

: : Interdev is the best I've ever used... unless you use the design view-

if

: : you wanna do that, save yourself some money and buy frontpage...

: :

: : :o)

: : Elliott

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 7:54 AM

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] RE: editor choice

: :

: :

: : hello m8,

: :

: : I use visual interdev as well and its great so stick with it!  However,

I

: : never ever ever ever never ever ever etc etc use the Design tab to build

: my

: : page.  I just enter the code using the Source tab and then right click

and

: : select the View source in browser option!

: :

: : My boss uses the Design tab and its like Frontpage!  Crap!

: :

: : If you use the Design tab then it will add all sorts of stuff for you

: : automatically!

: :

: : I think thats your problem although I have to admit to being extremely

: : surprised if you are using the design tab and quick view tab!

: :

: : Cheers

: : Brent

: :

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: : Sent: 18 February 2002 12:26

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] editor choice

: :

: :

: : friends and fellow asp coders...

: :

: : i am using visual interdev since it was given to me.. but i am running

: into

: : a problem. it adds the width and height attributes to the images

: : automatically, that is all fine and dandy until you are using javascript

: to

: : change thoes images.. i mean i could write more script and have

javascript

: : change the width andheight attributes to reflect the image.. but i dont

: : really want to.. anywayz.. i mainly dont like the idea of VID changing

my

: : content on me.. that isnt a good editor.. so do any of yall know how to

: turn

: : this "feature" off or if not.. what editors do yall use that you like..

i

: : have tested homesite, and i think i like it!! but 100 bucks is 100

bucks..

: : then i also tried HTMLGate 2000 and that is ok.. except for the color

: : coding.. i dont dig the all blue approach.. but what do you guys use

that

: : works and you like?

: :

: : thanks

: : daniel

: :

: : --

: : -----------------------------

: : Daniel O'Dorisio

: : daniel@o...

: : www.odorisio-networks.com

: : -----------------------------

: :

: :

: :




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Message #24 by Brent Latham <Brent2@w...> on Mon, 18 Feb 2002 14:32:49 -0000
You mean NASA is a company?  I thought it was a way of life!

;)

/Brent



-----Original Message-----

From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

Sent: 18 February 2002 14:29

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





no.. i haven't.

It doesn't have intelletype though does it???



Plus, it might just be me- but I gave up the no microsoft fight long ago.

I buy MS for everything I can... Just works out better. i'm fortunate enough

to work for a company that gets me anything MS I want- actually already has

Enterprise lisc. for all of it- so I might be a bit biased...



But I'm all about Response.W<tab> and rs.M<tab>

And I've never seen another product that lets me do that...

Code junkies are supposed to be lazy- makes for more effective codeing- plus

I can get the secritaries to take out my trash...

:o)





-----Original Message-----

From: Mitch Swetsky [mailto:mswetsky@r...]

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 8:59 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





Has anyone tried Dreamweaver? There are free trials available at Macr...com

It also has a color coded code window live data viewer similar to interdev.

Mitch

----- Original Message -----

From: Brent Latham <Brent2@w...>

To: ASP Forms <asp_forms@p...>

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:01 AM

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





> Does this still happen if you use the Response.write "<IMG >"

>

> or is it just when writing HTML only?

>

> /Brent

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

> Sent: 18 February 2002 13:51

> To: ASP Forms

> Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

>

>

> exactly right..

>

> sucks huh??

>

> --

> -----------------------------

> Daniel O'Dorisio

> daniel@o...

> www.odorisio-networks.com

> -----------------------------

> "Brent Latham" <Brent2@w...> wrote in message

> news:147474@a..._forms...

> :

> : hmm...so what your saying is that your entering your lovely code

> :

> : <IMG Src="images/myimage.gif" border="0">

> :

> : etc

> :

> : and then you right click and view it in the browser and it looks superb.

> :

> : You then close down interdev, walk over to your project manager and say

> here

> : is the test URL and suddenly disaster strikes!

> :

> : You right click on the project managers browser and view source and

> : suddenly....

> :

> : <IMG Src="images/myimage.gif" border="0"> now says

> :

> : <IMG Src="images/myimage.gif" border="0" Width="100" Height="100">

> :

> :

> : is that it?

> :

> : Cheers

> : Brent

> : -----Original Message-----

> : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

> : Sent: 18 February 2002 13:34

> : To: ASP Forms

> : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

> :

> :

> : i am ashamed you think i use the design tab.. NEVER EVER.. no it

actually

> : places the attributes right as i exit the file.. everytime.. and i just

> : caused me some headache cause i had a really nice jewelery pages... and

> then

> : the project manager looks at it and goes eeewwww.. great thanks visual

> : interdev.. making me look bad.. lol.. i like visual interdev.. but only

> : cause im used to the colorcoding.. but i like how homesite automaticall

> adds

> : the closing tags if you want.. and places your cursor in the correct

> spot..

> : but i gotta get rid of that auto attribute.. anyone know how? i looked

in

> : the options but didnt see anything.

> :

> : thanks

> : daniel

> :

> : --

> : -----------------------------

> : Daniel O'Dorisio

> : daniel@o...

> : www.odorisio-networks.com

> : -----------------------------

> : "Brent Latham" <Brent2@w...> wrote in message

> : news:147451@a..._forms...

> : :

> : : hello m8,

> : :

> : : I use visual interdev as well and its great so stick with it!

However,

> I

> : : never ever ever ever never ever ever etc etc use the Design tab to

build

> : my

> : : page.  I just enter the code using the Source tab and then right click

> and

> : : select the View source in browser option!

> : :

> : : My boss uses the Design tab and its like Frontpage!  Crap!

> : :

> : : If you use the Design tab then it will add all sorts of stuff for you

> : : automatically!

> : :

> : : I think thats your problem although I have to admit to being extremely

> : : surprised if you are using the design tab and quick view tab!

> : :

> : : Cheers

> : : Brent

> : :

> : :

> : : -----Original Message-----

> : : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

> : : Sent: 18 February 2002 12:26

> : : To: ASP Forms

> : : Subject: [asp_forms] editor choice

> : :

> : :

> : : friends and fellow asp coders...

> : :

> : : i am using visual interdev since it was given to me.. but i am running

> : into

> : : a problem. it adds the width and height attributes to the images

> : : automatically, that is all fine and dandy until you are using

javascript

> : to

> : : change thoes images.. i mean i could write more script and have

> javascript

> : : change the width andheight attributes to reflect the image.. but i

dont

> : : really want to.. anywayz.. i mainly dont like the idea of VID changing

> my

> : : content on me.. that isnt a good editor.. so do any of yall know how

to

> : turn

> : : this "feature" off or if not.. what editors do yall use that you

like..

> i

> : : have tested homesite, and i think i like it!! but 100 bucks is 100

> bucks..

> : : then i also tried HTMLGate 2000 and that is ok.. except for the color

> : : coding.. i dont dig the all blue approach.. but what do you guys use

> that

> : : works and you like?

> : :

> : : thanks

> : : daniel

> : :

> : : --

> : : -----------------------------

> : : Daniel O'Dorisio

> : : daniel@o...

> : : www.odorisio-networks.com

> : : -----------------------------

> : :

> : :

> : :




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Message #25 by "Daniel" <daniel@o...> on Mon, 18 Feb 2002 09:27:45 -0500
ok.. yes you are right.. i was doing that.. hmm ill have to try all this out

in a sec.. i just looked in to something.. and i realized.. that in a new

project.. it dosnt happen.. but i did drag the files into the vid ide, and

also i accidently hit the design view once.. grr. too quick onthe mouse..

but ill try the images stuff..



grr.. i am feeling really dumb right about now..



daniel



--

-----------------------------

Daniel O'Dorisio

daniel@o...

www.odorisio-networks.com

-----------------------------

"Brent Latham" <Brent2@w...> wrote in message

news:147491@a..._forms...

:

: Right - own up Danny....I'm getting closer and it looks like your

: on dangerous coding grounds!

:

: Your not dragging and dropping your images from explorer into InterDev

: are YOU???

:

: If you are then try adding file instead

:

: Cheers

: Brent

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: Sent: 18 February 2002 14:02

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: yeah im using vid6.. i really like intelletype.. maybe ill use homesite

for

: html, and vid6 for asp.. since homesite is a lil cheaper then vid.net..

: lol.. ouch.. im not looking forward to a forced upgrade.. but anywayz..

was

: there a solution for vid.net?

:

: daniel

:

: --

: -----------------------------

: Daniel O'Dorisio

: daniel@o...

: www.odorisio-networks.com

: -----------------------------

: "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

: news:147484@a..._forms...

: :

: : I've actually seen that prob on VID.net...

: : but never 6, and I'm guessing thats what everyone's using...

: :

: : but VID.net does all the other "cool" stuff you talking about..

: : adds clost tags, puts your cursor in the right place, and still has

: : intelletype- which is the biggie in my mind...

: : It also formats you html really nice, save you hitting the space tab 4

: times

: : if you've got an if in a table in a row in a column ;)

: :

: :

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 8:45 AM

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : i dont use design view.. please dont put me that low!!!! gosh.. lol.. no

: but

: : really.. i dont touch the design button.. but it does add thoes

attributes

: : automatically.. does it for yall? i mean it wont if i put one attrib in

: : there.. like

: : <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla" name="blaimage" id="blaimage"

: : width="2" />

: : it wont touch it.. but if i do like:

: : <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla name="blaimage" id="blaimage"/> it

: : turns it into:

: : <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla" name="blaimage" id="blaimage" /

: : WIDTH="32" HEIGHT="32">

: : and that totally bombs the XHTML specs.. as well as ruins any javascript

: : rollovers i have..

: :

: : also have you guys checked out homesite??? woah.. it is pretty sweet.. i

: : have been looking at it.. (im still looking either for a fix for VID, or

a

: : new editor) and it automatically converts tags to lowercase, has lil

: : utilities that make coding much easier, nice colorcoding.. HTML tag

: : complete, the only thing is it dosnt support like the asp object code

: : complete.. which is a bummer.. and the (tools->references) as brent

likes

: : isnt there.. but i dunno..

: :

: : daniel

: :

: : --

: : -----------------------------

: : Daniel O'Dorisio

: : daniel@o...

: : www.odorisio-networks.com

: : -----------------------------

: : "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

: : news:147470@a..._forms...

: : :

: : : uh oh....

: : : Brent and Elliott agree...

: : : This is getting scary..

: : :

: : : daniel... you commited the cardnal sin.... and you're  very fortunate

: that

: : : the gods of asp only saw fit to punish you with img height and width

: : : properties.

: : : I've seen far worse punishments....

: : :

: : : Interdev is the best I've ever used... unless you use the design view-

: if

: : : you wanna do that, save yourself some money and buy frontpage...

: : :

: : : :o)

: : : Elliott

: : :

: : : -----Original Message-----

: : : From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: : : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 7:54 AM

: : : To: ASP Forms

: : : Subject: [asp_forms] RE: editor choice

: : :

: : :

: : : hello m8,

: : :

: : : I use visual interdev as well and its great so stick with it!

However,

: I

: : : never ever ever ever never ever ever etc etc use the Design tab to

build

: : my

: : : page.  I just enter the code using the Source tab and then right click

: and

: : : select the View source in browser option!

: : :

: : : My boss uses the Design tab and its like Frontpage!  Crap!

: : :

: : : If you use the Design tab then it will add all sorts of stuff for you

: : : automatically!

: : :

: : : I think thats your problem although I have to admit to being extremely

: : : surprised if you are using the design tab and quick view tab!

: : :

: : : Cheers

: : : Brent

: : :

: : :

: : : -----Original Message-----

: : : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: : : Sent: 18 February 2002 12:26

: : : To: ASP Forms

: : : Subject: [asp_forms] editor choice

: : :

: : :

: : : friends and fellow asp coders...

: : :

: : : i am using visual interdev since it was given to me.. but i am running

: : into

: : : a problem. it adds the width and height attributes to the images

: : : automatically, that is all fine and dandy until you are using

javascript

: : to

: : : change thoes images.. i mean i could write more script and have

: javascript

: : : change the width andheight attributes to reflect the image.. but i

dont

: : : really want to.. anywayz.. i mainly dont like the idea of VID changing

: my

: : : content on me.. that isnt a good editor.. so do any of yall know how

to

: : turn

: : : this "feature" off or if not.. what editors do yall use that you

like..

: i

: : : have tested homesite, and i think i like it!! but 100 bucks is 100

: bucks..

: : : then i also tried HTMLGate 2000 and that is ok.. except for the color

: : : coding.. i dont dig the all blue approach.. but what do you guys use

: that

: : : works and you like?

: : :

: : : thanks

: : : daniel

: : :

: : : --

: : : -----------------------------

: : : Daniel O'Dorisio

: : : daniel@o...

: : : www.odorisio-networks.com

: : : -----------------------------

: : :

: : :

: : :




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Message #26 by "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> on Mon, 18 Feb 2002 09:34:30 -0500
wasn't at work...

was at home. 

We do have a softball league and We're having some picnic with a V-Ball

tourney...

V-Ball is my first love too- palyed that yesterday too...



Getting hired here is like pulling teeth man- Government is cutting

funding.. boeing is laying off...

Kinda ugly- I'm a contractor too- got no promises that I get to stay- 



My Resume is up to date....





-----Original Message-----

From: Locke, Darrell (FCS/SFC) [mailto:Darrell.Locke@g...]

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:31 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





So who is going to hook me up in a job over there?? You guys have too much

fun. B-ball, and stuff.  Sounds fun!



-----Original Message-----

From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...] 

Sent: February 18, 2002 10:30 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice



lol 



The last time I played B-Ball was at a camp when I was hit by major cramp.

I did a massive jump, hooked the ball into the net before falling on the

floor writhing around in pain....at least the ball went in!



I hate cramp!  its a nightmare!



/Brent



-----Original Message-----

From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

Sent: 18 February 2002 14:22

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





LOL...

we don't have another bout here, do we???



I'm actually working today, so I can't write a new stored procedure to score

it...

but I'll gladly be a spectator...



Dan,

I played som b-ball yesterday... my knee is killing me!

About body slammed some guy 'cause he kept camping out in the paint. I mean

geez, it 'aint NBA out there, but you've gotta move every once in a while

right???

15 seconds???





-----Original Message-----

From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:15 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





Right - own up Danny....I'm getting closer and it looks like your

on dangerous coding grounds!



Your not dragging and dropping your images from explorer into InterDev

are YOU???



If you are then try adding file instead



Cheers

Brent



-----Original Message-----

From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

Sent: 18 February 2002 14:02

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





yeah im using vid6.. i really like intelletype.. maybe ill use homesite for

html, and vid6 for asp.. since homesite is a lil cheaper then vid.net..

lol.. ouch.. im not looking forward to a forced upgrade.. but anywayz.. was

there a solution for vid.net?



daniel



--

-----------------------------

Daniel O'Dorisio

daniel@o...

www.odorisio-networks.com

-----------------------------

"O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

news:147484@a..._forms...

:

: I've actually seen that prob on VID.net...

: but never 6, and I'm guessing thats what everyone's using...

:

: but VID.net does all the other "cool" stuff you talking about..

: adds clost tags, puts your cursor in the right place, and still has

: intelletype- which is the biggie in my mind...

: It also formats you html really nice, save you hitting the space tab 4

times

: if you've got an if in a table in a row in a column ;)

:

:

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 8:45 AM

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: i dont use design view.. please dont put me that low!!!! gosh.. lol.. no

but

: really.. i dont touch the design button.. but it does add thoes attributes

: automatically.. does it for yall? i mean it wont if i put one attrib in

: there.. like

: <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla" name="blaimage" id="blaimage"

: width="2" />

: it wont touch it.. but if i do like:

: <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla name="blaimage" id="blaimage"/> it

: turns it into:

: <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla" name="blaimage" id="blaimage" /

: WIDTH="32" HEIGHT="32">

: and that totally bombs the XHTML specs.. as well as ruins any javascript

: rollovers i have..

:

: also have you guys checked out homesite??? woah.. it is pretty sweet.. i

: have been looking at it.. (im still looking either for a fix for VID, or a

: new editor) and it automatically converts tags to lowercase, has lil

: utilities that make coding much easier, nice colorcoding.. HTML tag

: complete, the only thing is it dosnt support like the asp object code

: complete.. which is a bummer.. and the (tools->references) as brent likes

: isnt there.. but i dunno..

:

: daniel

:

: --

: -----------------------------

: Daniel O'Dorisio

: daniel@o...

: www.odorisio-networks.com

: -----------------------------

: "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

: news:147470@a..._forms...

: :

: : uh oh....

: : Brent and Elliott agree...

: : This is getting scary..

: :

: : daniel... you commited the cardnal sin.... and you're  very fortunate

that

: : the gods of asp only saw fit to punish you with img height and width

: : properties.

: : I've seen far worse punishments....

: :

: : Interdev is the best I've ever used... unless you use the design view-

if

: : you wanna do that, save yourself some money and buy frontpage...

: :

: : :o)

: : Elliott

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 7:54 AM

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] RE: editor choice

: :

: :

: : hello m8,

: :

: : I use visual interdev as well and its great so stick with it!  However,

I

: : never ever ever ever never ever ever etc etc use the Design tab to build

: my

: : page.  I just enter the code using the Source tab and then right click

and

: : select the View source in browser option!

: :

: : My boss uses the Design tab and its like Frontpage!  Crap!

: :

: : If you use the Design tab then it will add all sorts of stuff for you

: : automatically!

: :

: : I think thats your problem although I have to admit to being extremely

: : surprised if you are using the design tab and quick view tab!

: :

: : Cheers

: : Brent

: :

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: : Sent: 18 February 2002 12:26

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] editor choice

: :

: :

: : friends and fellow asp coders...

: :

: : i am using visual interdev since it was given to me.. but i am running

: into

: : a problem. it adds the width and height attributes to the images

: : automatically, that is all fine and dandy until you are using javascript

: to

: : change thoes images.. i mean i could write more script and have

javascript

: : change the width andheight attributes to reflect the image.. but i dont

: : really want to.. anywayz.. i mainly dont like the idea of VID changing

my

: : content on me.. that isnt a good editor.. so do any of yall know how to

: turn

: : this "feature" off or if not.. what editors do yall use that you like..

i

: : have tested homesite, and i think i like it!! but 100 bucks is 100

bucks..

: : then i also tried HTMLGate 2000 and that is ok.. except for the color

: : coding.. i dont dig the all blue approach.. but what do you guys use

that

: : works and you like?

: :

: : thanks

: : daniel

: :

: : --

: : -----------------------------

: : Daniel O'Dorisio

: : daniel@o...

: : www.odorisio-networks.com

: : -----------------------------

: :

: :

: :




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Message #27 by "Daniel" <daniel@o...> on Mon, 18 Feb 2002 09:28:56 -0500
i played a lil too.. last i checked though it was every 3 seconds.. yeah i

gave this guy a really nice elbow.. he was playing like karl malone.. so i

gave a lil back.. heh.. he was about 100 lbs heavier then i was.. when will

i learn..



daniel



--

-----------------------------

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daniel@o...

www.odorisio-networks.com

-----------------------------

"O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

news:147496@a..._forms...

:

: LOL...

: we don't have another bout here, do we???

:

: I'm actually working today, so I can't write a new stored procedure to

score

: it...

: but I'll gladly be a spectator...

:

: Dan,

: I played som b-ball yesterday... my knee is killing me!

: About body slammed some guy 'cause he kept camping out in the paint. I

mean

: geez, it 'aint NBA out there, but you've gotta move every once in a while

: right???

: 15 seconds???

:

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:15 AM

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: Right - own up Danny....I'm getting closer and it looks like your

: on dangerous coding grounds!

:

: Your not dragging and dropping your images from explorer into InterDev

: are YOU???

:

: If you are then try adding file instead

:

: Cheers

: Brent

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: Sent: 18 February 2002 14:02

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: yeah im using vid6.. i really like intelletype.. maybe ill use homesite

for

: html, and vid6 for asp.. since homesite is a lil cheaper then vid.net..

: lol.. ouch.. im not looking forward to a forced upgrade.. but anywayz..

was

: there a solution for vid.net?

:

: daniel

:

: --

: -----------------------------

: Daniel O'Dorisio

: daniel@o...

: www.odorisio-networks.com

: -----------------------------

: "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

: news:147484@a..._forms...

: :

: : I've actually seen that prob on VID.net...

: : but never 6, and I'm guessing thats what everyone's using...

: :

: : but VID.net does all the other "cool" stuff you talking about..

: : adds clost tags, puts your cursor in the right place, and still has

: : intelletype- which is the biggie in my mind...

: : It also formats you html really nice, save you hitting the space tab 4

: times

: : if you've got an if in a table in a row in a column ;)

: :

: :

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 8:45 AM

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : i dont use design view.. please dont put me that low!!!! gosh.. lol.. no

: but

: : really.. i dont touch the design button.. but it does add thoes

attributes

: : automatically.. does it for yall? i mean it wont if i put one attrib in

: : there.. like

: : <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla" name="blaimage" id="blaimage"

: : width="2" />

: : it wont touch it.. but if i do like:

: : <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla name="blaimage" id="blaimage"/> it

: : turns it into:

: : <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla" name="blaimage" id="blaimage" /

: : WIDTH="32" HEIGHT="32">

: : and that totally bombs the XHTML specs.. as well as ruins any javascript

: : rollovers i have..

: :

: : also have you guys checked out homesite??? woah.. it is pretty sweet.. i

: : have been looking at it.. (im still looking either for a fix for VID, or

a

: : new editor) and it automatically converts tags to lowercase, has lil

: : utilities that make coding much easier, nice colorcoding.. HTML tag

: : complete, the only thing is it dosnt support like the asp object code

: : complete.. which is a bummer.. and the (tools->references) as brent

likes

: : isnt there.. but i dunno..

: :

: : daniel

: :

: : --

: : -----------------------------

: : Daniel O'Dorisio

: : daniel@o...

: : www.odorisio-networks.com

: : -----------------------------

: : "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

: : news:147470@a..._forms...

: : :

: : : uh oh....

: : : Brent and Elliott agree...

: : : This is getting scary..

: : :

: : : daniel... you commited the cardnal sin.... and you're  very fortunate

: that

: : : the gods of asp only saw fit to punish you with img height and width

: : : properties.

: : : I've seen far worse punishments....

: : :

: : : Interdev is the best I've ever used... unless you use the design view-

: if

: : : you wanna do that, save yourself some money and buy frontpage...

: : :

: : : :o)

: : : Elliott

: : :

: : : -----Original Message-----

: : : From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: : : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 7:54 AM

: : : To: ASP Forms

: : : Subject: [asp_forms] RE: editor choice

: : :

: : :

: : : hello m8,

: : :

: : : I use visual interdev as well and its great so stick with it!

However,

: I

: : : never ever ever ever never ever ever etc etc use the Design tab to

build

: : my

: : : page.  I just enter the code using the Source tab and then right click

: and

: : : select the View source in browser option!

: : :

: : : My boss uses the Design tab and its like Frontpage!  Crap!

: : :

: : : If you use the Design tab then it will add all sorts of stuff for you

: : : automatically!

: : :

: : : I think thats your problem although I have to admit to being extremely

: : : surprised if you are using the design tab and quick view tab!

: : :

: : : Cheers

: : : Brent

: : :

: : :

: : : -----Original Message-----

: : : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: : : Sent: 18 February 2002 12:26

: : : To: ASP Forms

: : : Subject: [asp_forms] editor choice

: : :

: : :

: : : friends and fellow asp coders...

: : :

: : : i am using visual interdev since it was given to me.. but i am running

: : into

: : : a problem. it adds the width and height attributes to the images

: : : automatically, that is all fine and dandy until you are using

javascript

: : to

: : : change thoes images.. i mean i could write more script and have

: javascript

: : : change the width andheight attributes to reflect the image.. but i

dont

: : : really want to.. anywayz.. i mainly dont like the idea of VID changing

: my

: : : content on me.. that isnt a good editor.. so do any of yall know how

to

: : turn

: : : this "feature" off or if not.. what editors do yall use that you

like..

: i

: : : have tested homesite, and i think i like it!! but 100 bucks is 100

: bucks..

: : : then i also tried HTMLGate 2000 and that is ok.. except for the color

: : : coding.. i dont dig the all blue approach.. but what do you guys use

: that

: : : works and you like?

: : :

: : : thanks

: : : daniel

: : :

: : : --

: : : -----------------------------

: : : Daniel O'Dorisio

: : : daniel@o...

: : : www.odorisio-networks.com

: : : -----------------------------

: : :

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Message #28 by "Daniel" <daniel@o...> on Mon, 18 Feb 2002 09:31:00 -0500
i like the intelli tyupe too.. but working for my self.. i dont have a huge

budget for ms products.. i have given up fighting them.. but.. dont expect

to see me deploy a ms firewall anytime soon.. no sir.. linux and IPtables..

:-)



daniel



--

-----------------------------

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daniel@o...

www.odorisio-networks.com

-----------------------------

"O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

news:147500@a..._forms...

:

: no.. i haven't.

: It doesn't have intelletype though does it???

:

: Plus, it might just be me- but I gave up the no microsoft fight long ago.

: I buy MS for everything I can... Just works out better. i'm fortunate

enough

: to work for a company that gets me anything MS I want- actually already

has

: Enterprise lisc. for all of it- so I might be a bit biased...

:

: But I'm all about Response.W<tab> and rs.M<tab>

: And I've never seen another product that lets me do that...

: Code junkies are supposed to be lazy- makes for more effective codeing-

plus

: I can get the secritaries to take out my trash...

: :o)

:

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Mitch Swetsky [mailto:mswetsky@r...]

: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 8:59 AM

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: Has anyone tried Dreamweaver? There are free trials available at

Macr...com

: It also has a color coded code window live data viewer similar to

interdev.

: Mitch

: ----- Original Message -----

: From: Brent Latham <Brent2@w...>

: To: ASP Forms <asp_forms@p...>

: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:01 AM

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: > Does this still happen if you use the Response.write "<IMG >"

: >

: > or is it just when writing HTML only?

: >

: > /Brent

: >

: > -----Original Message-----

: > From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: > Sent: 18 February 2002 13:51

: > To: ASP Forms

: > Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: >

: >

: > exactly right..

: >

: > sucks huh??

: >

: > --

: > -----------------------------

: > Daniel O'Dorisio

: > daniel@o...

: > www.odorisio-networks.com

: > -----------------------------

: > "Brent Latham" <Brent2@w...> wrote in message

: > news:147474@a..._forms...

: > :

: > : hmm...so what your saying is that your entering your lovely code

: > :

: > : <IMG Src="images/myimage.gif" border="0">

: > :

: > : etc

: > :

: > : and then you right click and view it in the browser and it looks

superb.

: > :

: > : You then close down interdev, walk over to your project manager and

say

: > here

: > : is the test URL and suddenly disaster strikes!

: > :

: > : You right click on the project managers browser and view source and

: > : suddenly....

: > :

: > : <IMG Src="images/myimage.gif" border="0"> now says

: > :

: > : <IMG Src="images/myimage.gif" border="0" Width="100" Height="100">

: > :

: > :

: > : is that it?

: > :

: > : Cheers

: > : Brent

: > : -----Original Message-----

: > : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: > : Sent: 18 February 2002 13:34

: > : To: ASP Forms

: > : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: > :

: > :

: > : i am ashamed you think i use the design tab.. NEVER EVER.. no it

: actually

: > : places the attributes right as i exit the file.. everytime.. and i

just

: > : caused me some headache cause i had a really nice jewelery pages...

and

: > then

: > : the project manager looks at it and goes eeewwww.. great thanks visual

: > : interdev.. making me look bad.. lol.. i like visual interdev.. but

only

: > : cause im used to the colorcoding.. but i like how homesite

automaticall

: > adds

: > : the closing tags if you want.. and places your cursor in the correct

: > spot..

: > : but i gotta get rid of that auto attribute.. anyone know how? i looked

: in

: > : the options but didnt see anything.

: > :

: > : thanks

: > : daniel

: > :

: > : --

: > : -----------------------------

: > : Daniel O'Dorisio

: > : daniel@o...

: > : www.odorisio-networks.com

: > : -----------------------------

: > : "Brent Latham" <Brent2@w...> wrote in message

: > : news:147451@a..._forms...

: > : :

: > : : hello m8,

: > : :

: > : : I use visual interdev as well and its great so stick with it!

: However,

: > I

: > : : never ever ever ever never ever ever etc etc use the Design tab to

: build

: > : my

: > : : page.  I just enter the code using the Source tab and then right

click

: > and

: > : : select the View source in browser option!

: > : :

: > : : My boss uses the Design tab and its like Frontpage!  Crap!

: > : :

: > : : If you use the Design tab then it will add all sorts of stuff for

you

: > : : automatically!

: > : :

: > : : I think thats your problem although I have to admit to being

extremely

: > : : surprised if you are using the design tab and quick view tab!

: > : :

: > : : Cheers

: > : : Brent

: > : :

: > : :

: > : : -----Original Message-----

: > : : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: > : : Sent: 18 February 2002 12:26

: > : : To: ASP Forms

: > : : Subject: [asp_forms] editor choice

: > : :

: > : :

: > : : friends and fellow asp coders...

: > : :

: > : : i am using visual interdev since it was given to me.. but i am

running

: > : into

: > : : a problem. it adds the width and height attributes to the images

: > : : automatically, that is all fine and dandy until you are using

: javascript

: > : to

: > : : change thoes images.. i mean i could write more script and have

: > javascript

: > : : change the width andheight attributes to reflect the image.. but i

: dont

: > : : really want to.. anywayz.. i mainly dont like the idea of VID

changing

: > my

: > : : content on me.. that isnt a good editor.. so do any of yall know how

: to

: > : turn

: > : : this "feature" off or if not.. what editors do yall use that you

: like..

: > i

: > : : have tested homesite, and i think i like it!! but 100 bucks is 100

: > bucks..

: > : : then i also tried HTMLGate 2000 and that is ok.. except for the

color

: > : : coding.. i dont dig the all blue approach.. but what do you guys use

: > that

: > : : works and you like?

: > : :

: > : : thanks

: > : : daniel

: > : :

: > : : --

: > : : -----------------------------

: > : : Daniel O'Dorisio

: > : : daniel@o...

: > : : www.odorisio-networks.com

: > : : -----------------------------

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Message #29 by "Locke, Darrell (FCS/SFC)" <Darrell.Locke@g...> on Mon, 18 Feb 2002 10:37:36 -0400
Wow, I work for Government here in Canada, not getting cut as of yet.  But

who knows.





-----Original Message-----

From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...] 

Sent: February 18, 2002 10:35 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice



wasn't at work...

was at home. 

We do have a softball league and We're having some picnic with a V-Ball

tourney...

V-Ball is my first love too- palyed that yesterday too...



Getting hired here is like pulling teeth man- Government is cutting

funding.. boeing is laying off...

Kinda ugly- I'm a contractor too- got no promises that I get to stay- 



My Resume is up to date....





-----Original Message-----

From: Locke, Darrell (FCS/SFC) [mailto:Darrell.Locke@g...]

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:31 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





So who is going to hook me up in a job over there?? You guys have too much

fun. B-ball, and stuff.  Sounds fun!



-----Original Message-----

From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...] 

Sent: February 18, 2002 10:30 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice



lol 



The last time I played B-Ball was at a camp when I was hit by major cramp.

I did a massive jump, hooked the ball into the net before falling on the

floor writhing around in pain....at least the ball went in!



I hate cramp!  its a nightmare!



/Brent



-----Original Message-----

From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

Sent: 18 February 2002 14:22

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





LOL...

we don't have another bout here, do we???



I'm actually working today, so I can't write a new stored procedure to score

it...

but I'll gladly be a spectator...



Dan,

I played som b-ball yesterday... my knee is killing me!

About body slammed some guy 'cause he kept camping out in the paint. I mean

geez, it 'aint NBA out there, but you've gotta move every once in a while

right???

15 seconds???





-----Original Message-----

From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:15 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





Right - own up Danny....I'm getting closer and it looks like your

on dangerous coding grounds!



Your not dragging and dropping your images from explorer into InterDev

are YOU???



If you are then try adding file instead



Cheers

Brent



-----Original Message-----

From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

Sent: 18 February 2002 14:02

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





yeah im using vid6.. i really like intelletype.. maybe ill use homesite for

html, and vid6 for asp.. since homesite is a lil cheaper then vid.net..

lol.. ouch.. im not looking forward to a forced upgrade.. but anywayz.. was

there a solution for vid.net?



daniel



--

-----------------------------

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daniel@o...

www.odorisio-networks.com

-----------------------------

"O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

news:147484@a..._forms...

:

: I've actually seen that prob on VID.net...

: but never 6, and I'm guessing thats what everyone's using...

:

: but VID.net does all the other "cool" stuff you talking about..

: adds clost tags, puts your cursor in the right place, and still has

: intelletype- which is the biggie in my mind...

: It also formats you html really nice, save you hitting the space tab 4

times

: if you've got an if in a table in a row in a column ;)

:

:

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 8:45 AM

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: i dont use design view.. please dont put me that low!!!! gosh.. lol.. no

but

: really.. i dont touch the design button.. but it does add thoes attributes

: automatically.. does it for yall? i mean it wont if i put one attrib in

: there.. like

: <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla" name="blaimage" id="blaimage"

: width="2" />

: it wont touch it.. but if i do like:

: <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla name="blaimage" id="blaimage"/> it

: turns it into:

: <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla" name="blaimage" id="blaimage" /

: WIDTH="32" HEIGHT="32">

: and that totally bombs the XHTML specs.. as well as ruins any javascript

: rollovers i have..

:

: also have you guys checked out homesite??? woah.. it is pretty sweet.. i

: have been looking at it.. (im still looking either for a fix for VID, or a

: new editor) and it automatically converts tags to lowercase, has lil

: utilities that make coding much easier, nice colorcoding.. HTML tag

: complete, the only thing is it dosnt support like the asp object code

: complete.. which is a bummer.. and the (tools->references) as brent likes

: isnt there.. but i dunno..

:

: daniel

:

: --

: -----------------------------

: Daniel O'Dorisio

: daniel@o...

: www.odorisio-networks.com

: -----------------------------

: "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

: news:147470@a..._forms...

: :

: : uh oh....

: : Brent and Elliott agree...

: : This is getting scary..

: :

: : daniel... you commited the cardnal sin.... and you're  very fortunate

that

: : the gods of asp only saw fit to punish you with img height and width

: : properties.

: : I've seen far worse punishments....

: :

: : Interdev is the best I've ever used... unless you use the design view-

if

: : you wanna do that, save yourself some money and buy frontpage...

: :

: : :o)

: : Elliott

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 7:54 AM

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] RE: editor choice

: :

: :

: : hello m8,

: :

: : I use visual interdev as well and its great so stick with it!  However,

I

: : never ever ever ever never ever ever etc etc use the Design tab to build

: my

: : page.  I just enter the code using the Source tab and then right click

and

: : select the View source in browser option!

: :

: : My boss uses the Design tab and its like Frontpage!  Crap!

: :

: : If you use the Design tab then it will add all sorts of stuff for you

: : automatically!

: :

: : I think thats your problem although I have to admit to being extremely

: : surprised if you are using the design tab and quick view tab!

: :

: : Cheers

: : Brent

: :

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: : Sent: 18 February 2002 12:26

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] editor choice

: :

: :

: : friends and fellow asp coders...

: :

: : i am using visual interdev since it was given to me.. but i am running

: into

: : a problem. it adds the width and height attributes to the images

: : automatically, that is all fine and dandy until you are using javascript

: to

: : change thoes images.. i mean i could write more script and have

javascript

: : change the width andheight attributes to reflect the image.. but i dont

: : really want to.. anywayz.. i mainly dont like the idea of VID changing

my

: : content on me.. that isnt a good editor.. so do any of yall know how to

: turn

: : this "feature" off or if not.. what editors do yall use that you like..

i

: : have tested homesite, and i think i like it!! but 100 bucks is 100

bucks..

: : then i also tried HTMLGate 2000 and that is ok.. except for the color

: : coding.. i dont dig the all blue approach.. but what do you guys use

that

: : works and you like?

: :

: : thanks

: : daniel

: :

: : --

: : -----------------------------

: : Daniel O'Dorisio

: : daniel@o...

: : www.odorisio-networks.com

: : -----------------------------

: :

: :

: :




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Message #30 by "Tim Morford" <tmorford@n...> on Mon, 18 Feb 2002 09:43:01 -0500
Hey does Canada except Hippie's?



-----Original Message-----

From: Locke, Darrell (FCS/SFC) [mailto:Darrell.Locke@g...]

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:38 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





Wow, I work for Government here in Canada, not getting cut as of yet.  But

who knows.





Message #31 by "Locke, Darrell (FCS/SFC)" <Darrell.Locke@g...> on Mon, 18 Feb 2002 10:47:59 -0400
Cmon, we are the country of the "Friendly" we accept everyone!! 



-----Original Message-----

From: Tim Morford [mailto:tmorford@n...] 

Sent: February 18, 2002 10:43 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice



Hey does Canada except Hippie's?



-----Original Message-----

From: Locke, Darrell (FCS/SFC) [mailto:Darrell.Locke@g...]

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:38 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





Wow, I work for Government here in Canada, not getting cut as of yet.  But

who knows.










Message #32 by Brent Latham <Brent2@w...> on Mon, 18 Feb 2002 14:52:24 -0000
You needn't do!  



I didn't realise that dragging and dropping had that effect either or that

using the design mode edited all the tags!



Fortunately I've never tried it but I knew what you was talking about

because I'm sure I've seen that happen before....but I couldn't put my

finger on it!



Every now and then I acciddently click on the design tab...which doesn't do

anything but annoy the hell out of you when you select the source tab again

and it takes you to the last place your cursor was rather than the place you

were viewing!



Frontpage, Dreamweaver, Design mode...they are all the same, if it helps you

to display a web page easily then when you get to view the code 60% of it

will be crap!



As for the cursor placing, I think that would probably annoy me after a

while.  The changing the tags to lowercase I would hate because I like to

have them in UCASE.



I don't know....If interdev didn't give me the colours - which I like - the

intelitype when adding objects etc then I probably would use notepad!



/Brent



-----Original Message-----

From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

Sent: 18 February 2002 14:28

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





ok.. yes you are right.. i was doing that.. hmm ill have to try all this out

in a sec.. i just looked in to something.. and i realized.. that in a new

project.. it dosnt happen.. but i did drag the files into the vid ide, and

also i accidently hit the design view once.. grr. too quick onthe mouse..

but ill try the images stuff..



grr.. i am feeling really dumb right about now..



daniel



--

-----------------------------

Daniel O'Dorisio

daniel@o...

www.odorisio-networks.com

-----------------------------

"Brent Latham" <Brent2@w...> wrote in message

news:147491@a..._forms...

:

: Right - own up Danny....I'm getting closer and it looks like your

: on dangerous coding grounds!

:

: Your not dragging and dropping your images from explorer into InterDev

: are YOU???

:

: If you are then try adding file instead

:

: Cheers

: Brent

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: Sent: 18 February 2002 14:02

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: yeah im using vid6.. i really like intelletype.. maybe ill use homesite

for

: html, and vid6 for asp.. since homesite is a lil cheaper then vid.net..

: lol.. ouch.. im not looking forward to a forced upgrade.. but anywayz..

was

: there a solution for vid.net?

:

: daniel

:

: --

: -----------------------------

: Daniel O'Dorisio

: daniel@o...

: www.odorisio-networks.com

: -----------------------------

: "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

: news:147484@a..._forms...

: :

: : I've actually seen that prob on VID.net...

: : but never 6, and I'm guessing thats what everyone's using...

: :

: : but VID.net does all the other "cool" stuff you talking about..

: : adds clost tags, puts your cursor in the right place, and still has

: : intelletype- which is the biggie in my mind...

: : It also formats you html really nice, save you hitting the space tab 4

: times

: : if you've got an if in a table in a row in a column ;)

: :

: :

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 8:45 AM

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : i dont use design view.. please dont put me that low!!!! gosh.. lol.. no

: but

: : really.. i dont touch the design button.. but it does add thoes

attributes

: : automatically.. does it for yall? i mean it wont if i put one attrib in

: : there.. like

: : <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla" name="blaimage" id="blaimage"

: : width="2" />

: : it wont touch it.. but if i do like:

: : <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla name="blaimage" id="blaimage"/> it

: : turns it into:

: : <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla" name="blaimage" id="blaimage" /

: : WIDTH="32" HEIGHT="32">

: : and that totally bombs the XHTML specs.. as well as ruins any javascript

: : rollovers i have..

: :

: : also have you guys checked out homesite??? woah.. it is pretty sweet.. i

: : have been looking at it.. (im still looking either for a fix for VID, or

a

: : new editor) and it automatically converts tags to lowercase, has lil

: : utilities that make coding much easier, nice colorcoding.. HTML tag

: : complete, the only thing is it dosnt support like the asp object code

: : complete.. which is a bummer.. and the (tools->references) as brent

likes

: : isnt there.. but i dunno..

: :

: : daniel

: :

: : --

: : -----------------------------

: : Daniel O'Dorisio

: : daniel@o...

: : www.odorisio-networks.com

: : -----------------------------

: : "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

: : news:147470@a..._forms...

: : :

: : : uh oh....

: : : Brent and Elliott agree...

: : : This is getting scary..

: : :

: : : daniel... you commited the cardnal sin.... and you're  very fortunate

: that

: : : the gods of asp only saw fit to punish you with img height and width

: : : properties.

: : : I've seen far worse punishments....

: : :

: : : Interdev is the best I've ever used... unless you use the design view-

: if

: : : you wanna do that, save yourself some money and buy frontpage...

: : :

: : : :o)

: : : Elliott

: : :

: : : -----Original Message-----

: : : From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: : : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 7:54 AM

: : : To: ASP Forms

: : : Subject: [asp_forms] RE: editor choice

: : :

: : :

: : : hello m8,

: : :

: : : I use visual interdev as well and its great so stick with it!

However,

: I

: : : never ever ever ever never ever ever etc etc use the Design tab to

build

: : my

: : : page.  I just enter the code using the Source tab and then right click

: and

: : : select the View source in browser option!

: : :

: : : My boss uses the Design tab and its like Frontpage!  Crap!

: : :

: : : If you use the Design tab then it will add all sorts of stuff for you

: : : automatically!

: : :

: : : I think thats your problem although I have to admit to being extremely

: : : surprised if you are using the design tab and quick view tab!

: : :

: : : Cheers

: : : Brent

: : :

: : :

: : : -----Original Message-----

: : : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: : : Sent: 18 February 2002 12:26

: : : To: ASP Forms

: : : Subject: [asp_forms] editor choice

: : :

: : :

: : : friends and fellow asp coders...

: : :

: : : i am using visual interdev since it was given to me.. but i am running

: : into

: : : a problem. it adds the width and height attributes to the images

: : : automatically, that is all fine and dandy until you are using

javascript

: : to

: : : change thoes images.. i mean i could write more script and have

: javascript

: : : change the width andheight attributes to reflect the image.. but i

dont

: : : really want to.. anywayz.. i mainly dont like the idea of VID changing

: my

: : : content on me.. that isnt a good editor.. so do any of yall know how

to

: : turn

: : : this "feature" off or if not.. what editors do yall use that you

like..

: i

: : : have tested homesite, and i think i like it!! but 100 bucks is 100

: bucks..

: : : then i also tried HTMLGate 2000 and that is ok.. except for the color

: : : coding.. i dont dig the all blue approach.. but what do you guys use

: that

: : : works and you like?

: : :

: : : thanks

: : : daniel

: : :

: : : --

: : : -----------------------------

: : : Daniel O'Dorisio

: : : daniel@o...

: : : www.odorisio-networks.com

: : : -----------------------------

: : :

: : :

: : :




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Message #33 by Brent Latham <Brent2@w...> on Mon, 18 Feb 2002 14:52:54 -0000
You've been watching too much Top Gun!



/Brent



-----Original Message-----

From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

Sent: 18 February 2002 14:35

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





wasn't at work...

was at home. 

We do have a softball league and We're having some picnic with a V-Ball

tourney...

V-Ball is my first love too- palyed that yesterday too...



Getting hired here is like pulling teeth man- Government is cutting

funding.. boeing is laying off...

Kinda ugly- I'm a contractor too- got no promises that I get to stay- 



My Resume is up to date....





-----Original Message-----

From: Locke, Darrell (FCS/SFC) [mailto:Darrell.Locke@g...]

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:31 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





So who is going to hook me up in a job over there?? You guys have too much

fun. B-ball, and stuff.  Sounds fun!



-----Original Message-----

From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...] 

Sent: February 18, 2002 10:30 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice



lol 



The last time I played B-Ball was at a camp when I was hit by major cramp.

I did a massive jump, hooked the ball into the net before falling on the

floor writhing around in pain....at least the ball went in!



I hate cramp!  its a nightmare!



/Brent



-----Original Message-----

From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

Sent: 18 February 2002 14:22

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





LOL...

we don't have another bout here, do we???



I'm actually working today, so I can't write a new stored procedure to score

it...

but I'll gladly be a spectator...



Dan,

I played som b-ball yesterday... my knee is killing me!

About body slammed some guy 'cause he kept camping out in the paint. I mean

geez, it 'aint NBA out there, but you've gotta move every once in a while

right???

15 seconds???





-----Original Message-----

From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:15 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





Right - own up Danny....I'm getting closer and it looks like your

on dangerous coding grounds!



Your not dragging and dropping your images from explorer into InterDev

are YOU???



If you are then try adding file instead



Cheers

Brent



-----Original Message-----

From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

Sent: 18 February 2002 14:02

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





yeah im using vid6.. i really like intelletype.. maybe ill use homesite for

html, and vid6 for asp.. since homesite is a lil cheaper then vid.net..

lol.. ouch.. im not looking forward to a forced upgrade.. but anywayz.. was

there a solution for vid.net?



daniel



--

-----------------------------

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daniel@o...

www.odorisio-networks.com

-----------------------------

"O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

news:147484@a..._forms...

:

: I've actually seen that prob on VID.net...

: but never 6, and I'm guessing thats what everyone's using...

:

: but VID.net does all the other "cool" stuff you talking about..

: adds clost tags, puts your cursor in the right place, and still has

: intelletype- which is the biggie in my mind...

: It also formats you html really nice, save you hitting the space tab 4

times

: if you've got an if in a table in a row in a column ;)

:

:

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 8:45 AM

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: i dont use design view.. please dont put me that low!!!! gosh.. lol.. no

but

: really.. i dont touch the design button.. but it does add thoes attributes

: automatically.. does it for yall? i mean it wont if i put one attrib in

: there.. like

: <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla" name="blaimage" id="blaimage"

: width="2" />

: it wont touch it.. but if i do like:

: <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla name="blaimage" id="blaimage"/> it

: turns it into:

: <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla" name="blaimage" id="blaimage" /

: WIDTH="32" HEIGHT="32">

: and that totally bombs the XHTML specs.. as well as ruins any javascript

: rollovers i have..

:

: also have you guys checked out homesite??? woah.. it is pretty sweet.. i

: have been looking at it.. (im still looking either for a fix for VID, or a

: new editor) and it automatically converts tags to lowercase, has lil

: utilities that make coding much easier, nice colorcoding.. HTML tag

: complete, the only thing is it dosnt support like the asp object code

: complete.. which is a bummer.. and the (tools->references) as brent likes

: isnt there.. but i dunno..

:

: daniel

:

: --

: -----------------------------

: Daniel O'Dorisio

: daniel@o...

: www.odorisio-networks.com

: -----------------------------

: "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

: news:147470@a..._forms...

: :

: : uh oh....

: : Brent and Elliott agree...

: : This is getting scary..

: :

: : daniel... you commited the cardnal sin.... and you're  very fortunate

that

: : the gods of asp only saw fit to punish you with img height and width

: : properties.

: : I've seen far worse punishments....

: :

: : Interdev is the best I've ever used... unless you use the design view-

if

: : you wanna do that, save yourself some money and buy frontpage...

: :

: : :o)

: : Elliott

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 7:54 AM

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] RE: editor choice

: :

: :

: : hello m8,

: :

: : I use visual interdev as well and its great so stick with it!  However,

I

: : never ever ever ever never ever ever etc etc use the Design tab to build

: my

: : page.  I just enter the code using the Source tab and then right click

and

: : select the View source in browser option!

: :

: : My boss uses the Design tab and its like Frontpage!  Crap!

: :

: : If you use the Design tab then it will add all sorts of stuff for you

: : automatically!

: :

: : I think thats your problem although I have to admit to being extremely

: : surprised if you are using the design tab and quick view tab!

: :

: : Cheers

: : Brent

: :

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: : Sent: 18 February 2002 12:26

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] editor choice

: :

: :

: : friends and fellow asp coders...

: :

: : i am using visual interdev since it was given to me.. but i am running

: into

: : a problem. it adds the width and height attributes to the images

: : automatically, that is all fine and dandy until you are using javascript

: to

: : change thoes images.. i mean i could write more script and have

javascript

: : change the width andheight attributes to reflect the image.. but i dont

: : really want to.. anywayz.. i mainly dont like the idea of VID changing

my

: : content on me.. that isnt a good editor.. so do any of yall know how to

: turn

: : this "feature" off or if not.. what editors do yall use that you like..

i

: : have tested homesite, and i think i like it!! but 100 bucks is 100

bucks..

: : then i also tried HTMLGate 2000 and that is ok.. except for the color

: : coding.. i dont dig the all blue approach.. but what do you guys use

that

: : works and you like?

: :

: : thanks

: : daniel

: :

: : --

: : -----------------------------

: : Daniel O'Dorisio

: : daniel@o...

: : www.odorisio-networks.com

: : -----------------------------

: :

: :

: :




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: :




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: :

: :

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Message #34 by "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> on Mon, 18 Feb 2002 09:52:33 -0500
My guy couldn't speak English very well (live in FL and all)..

So I started counting in espanol for him...

After his buddies started laughing at him too- he got the hint and started

moving. 



But I've gotta give ya your props..

I don't think I'd give Karl the 'ol bow..





-----Original Message-----

From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:29 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





i played a lil too.. last i checked though it was every 3 seconds.. yeah i

gave this guy a really nice elbow.. he was playing like karl malone.. so i

gave a lil back.. heh.. he was about 100 lbs heavier then i was.. when will

i learn..



daniel



--

-----------------------------

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daniel@o...

www.odorisio-networks.com

-----------------------------

"O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

news:147496@a..._forms...

:

: LOL...

: we don't have another bout here, do we???

:

: I'm actually working today, so I can't write a new stored procedure to

score

: it...

: but I'll gladly be a spectator...

:

: Dan,

: I played som b-ball yesterday... my knee is killing me!

: About body slammed some guy 'cause he kept camping out in the paint. I

mean

: geez, it 'aint NBA out there, but you've gotta move every once in a while

: right???

: 15 seconds???

:

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:15 AM

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: Right - own up Danny....I'm getting closer and it looks like your

: on dangerous coding grounds!

:

: Your not dragging and dropping your images from explorer into InterDev

: are YOU???

:

: If you are then try adding file instead

:

: Cheers

: Brent

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: Sent: 18 February 2002 14:02

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: yeah im using vid6.. i really like intelletype.. maybe ill use homesite

for

: html, and vid6 for asp.. since homesite is a lil cheaper then vid.net..

: lol.. ouch.. im not looking forward to a forced upgrade.. but anywayz..

was

: there a solution for vid.net?

:

: daniel

:

: --

: -----------------------------

: Daniel O'Dorisio

: daniel@o...

: www.odorisio-networks.com

: -----------------------------

: "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

: news:147484@a..._forms...

: :

: : I've actually seen that prob on VID.net...

: : but never 6, and I'm guessing thats what everyone's using...

: :

: : but VID.net does all the other "cool" stuff you talking about..

: : adds clost tags, puts your cursor in the right place, and still has

: : intelletype- which is the biggie in my mind...

: : It also formats you html really nice, save you hitting the space tab 4

: times

: : if you've got an if in a table in a row in a column ;)

: :

: :

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 8:45 AM

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : i dont use design view.. please dont put me that low!!!! gosh.. lol.. no

: but

: : really.. i dont touch the design button.. but it does add thoes

attributes

: : automatically.. does it for yall? i mean it wont if i put one attrib in

: : there.. like

: : <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla" name="blaimage" id="blaimage"

: : width="2" />

: : it wont touch it.. but if i do like:

: : <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla name="blaimage" id="blaimage"/> it

: : turns it into:

: : <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla" name="blaimage" id="blaimage" /

: : WIDTH="32" HEIGHT="32">

: : and that totally bombs the XHTML specs.. as well as ruins any javascript

: : rollovers i have..

: :

: : also have you guys checked out homesite??? woah.. it is pretty sweet.. i

: : have been looking at it.. (im still looking either for a fix for VID, or

a

: : new editor) and it automatically converts tags to lowercase, has lil

: : utilities that make coding much easier, nice colorcoding.. HTML tag

: : complete, the only thing is it dosnt support like the asp object code

: : complete.. which is a bummer.. and the (tools->references) as brent

likes

: : isnt there.. but i dunno..

: :

: : daniel

: :

: : --

: : -----------------------------

: : Daniel O'Dorisio

: : daniel@o...

: : www.odorisio-networks.com

: : -----------------------------

: : "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

: : news:147470@a..._forms...

: : :

: : : uh oh....

: : : Brent and Elliott agree...

: : : This is getting scary..

: : :

: : : daniel... you commited the cardnal sin.... and you're  very fortunate

: that

: : : the gods of asp only saw fit to punish you with img height and width

: : : properties.

: : : I've seen far worse punishments....

: : :

: : : Interdev is the best I've ever used... unless you use the design view-

: if

: : : you wanna do that, save yourself some money and buy frontpage...

: : :

: : : :o)

: : : Elliott

: : :

: : : -----Original Message-----

: : : From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: : : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 7:54 AM

: : : To: ASP Forms

: : : Subject: [asp_forms] RE: editor choice

: : :

: : :

: : : hello m8,

: : :

: : : I use visual interdev as well and its great so stick with it!

However,

: I

: : : never ever ever ever never ever ever etc etc use the Design tab to

build

: : my

: : : page.  I just enter the code using the Source tab and then right click

: and

: : : select the View source in browser option!

: : :

: : : My boss uses the Design tab and its like Frontpage!  Crap!

: : :

: : : If you use the Design tab then it will add all sorts of stuff for you

: : : automatically!

: : :

: : : I think thats your problem although I have to admit to being extremely

: : : surprised if you are using the design tab and quick view tab!

: : :

: : : Cheers

: : : Brent

: : :

: : :

: : : -----Original Message-----

: : : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: : : Sent: 18 February 2002 12:26

: : : To: ASP Forms

: : : Subject: [asp_forms] editor choice

: : :

: : :

: : : friends and fellow asp coders...

: : :

: : : i am using visual interdev since it was given to me.. but i am running

: : into

: : : a problem. it adds the width and height attributes to the images

: : : automatically, that is all fine and dandy until you are using

javascript

: : to

: : : change thoes images.. i mean i could write more script and have

: javascript

: : : change the width andheight attributes to reflect the image.. but i

dont

: : : really want to.. anywayz.. i mainly dont like the idea of VID changing

: my

: : : content on me.. that isnt a good editor.. so do any of yall know how

to

: : turn

: : : this "feature" off or if not.. what editors do yall use that you

like..

: i

: : : have tested homesite, and i think i like it!! but 100 bucks is 100

: bucks..

: : : then i also tried HTMLGate 2000 and that is ok.. except for the color

: : : coding.. i dont dig the all blue approach.. but what do you guys use

: that

: : : works and you like?

: : :

: : : thanks

: : : daniel

: : :

: : : --

: : : -----------------------------

: : : Daniel O'Dorisio

: : : daniel@o...

: : : www.odorisio-networks.com

: : : -----------------------------

: : :

: : :

: : :




: $subst('Email.Unsub').

: : :




: $subst('Email.Unsub').

: : :

: : :

: :

: :

: :




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: :

: :

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Message #35 by "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> on Mon, 18 Feb 2002 09:53:45 -0500
as long as you can count to 3 while playing basketball...



-----Original Message-----

From: Locke, Darrell (FCS/SFC) [mailto:Darrell.Locke@g...]

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:48 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





Cmon, we are the country of the "Friendly" we accept everyone!! 



-----Original Message-----

From: Tim Morford [mailto:tmorford@n...] 

Sent: February 18, 2002 10:43 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice



Hey does Canada except Hippie's?



-----Original Message-----

From: Locke, Darrell (FCS/SFC) [mailto:Darrell.Locke@g...]

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:38 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





Wow, I work for Government here in Canada, not getting cut as of yet.  But

who knows.















Message #36 by "Daniel" <daniel@o...> on Mon, 18 Feb 2002 09:52:39 -0500
lol... and as long as you dont play like a wuss.. and do stuff like.. cherry

picking.. and call cheap fouls.. and stuff



--

-----------------------------

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daniel@o...

www.odorisio-networks.com

-----------------------------

"O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

news:147523@a..._forms...

:

: as long as you can count to 3 while playing basketball...

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Locke, Darrell (FCS/SFC) [mailto:Darrell.Locke@g...]

: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:48 AM

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: Cmon, we are the country of the "Friendly" we accept everyone!!

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Tim Morford [mailto:tmorford@n...]

: Sent: February 18, 2002 10:43 AM

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

: Hey does Canada except Hippie's?

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Locke, Darrell (FCS/SFC) [mailto:Darrell.Locke@g...]

: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:38 AM

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: Wow, I work for Government here in Canada, not getting cut as of yet.  But

: who knows.

:

:

:




:




:

:





Message #37 by "Locke, Darrell (FCS/SFC)" <Darrell.Locke@g...> on Mon, 18 Feb 2002 11:00:45 -0400
But the question is....................can you play hockey, American

Football?? Lets get into the contact sports for a second. Don't have to

worry about counting to 3 with them, only need the IQ of 3 for these, haha



-----Original Message-----

From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...] 

Sent: February 18, 2002 10:54 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice



as long as you can count to 3 while playing basketball...



-----Original Message-----

From: Locke, Darrell (FCS/SFC) [mailto:Darrell.Locke@g...]

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:48 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





Cmon, we are the country of the "Friendly" we accept everyone!! 



-----Original Message-----

From: Tim Morford [mailto:tmorford@n...] 

Sent: February 18, 2002 10:43 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice



Hey does Canada except Hippie's?



-----Original Message-----

From: Locke, Darrell (FCS/SFC) [mailto:Darrell.Locke@g...]

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:38 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





Wow, I work for Government here in Canada, not getting cut as of yet.  But

who knows.




















Message #38 by "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> on Mon, 18 Feb 2002 09:59:39 -0500
UCase tags are bad...

Get over them, the day will come when they won't work at all...



I used to be the same way.

Then I started going to W3.org to check out stuff...

changed me right quick like..



-----Original Message-----

From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:53 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





You've been watching too much Top Gun!



/Brent



-----Original Message-----

From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

Sent: 18 February 2002 14:35

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





wasn't at work...

was at home. 

We do have a softball league and We're having some picnic with a V-Ball

tourney...

V-Ball is my first love too- palyed that yesterday too...



Getting hired here is like pulling teeth man- Government is cutting

funding.. boeing is laying off...

Kinda ugly- I'm a contractor too- got no promises that I get to stay- 



My Resume is up to date....





-----Original Message-----

From: Locke, Darrell (FCS/SFC) [mailto:Darrell.Locke@g...]

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:31 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





So who is going to hook me up in a job over there?? You guys have too much

fun. B-ball, and stuff.  Sounds fun!



-----Original Message-----

From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...] 

Sent: February 18, 2002 10:30 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice



lol 



The last time I played B-Ball was at a camp when I was hit by major cramp.

I did a massive jump, hooked the ball into the net before falling on the

floor writhing around in pain....at least the ball went in!



I hate cramp!  its a nightmare!



/Brent



-----Original Message-----

From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

Sent: 18 February 2002 14:22

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





LOL...

we don't have another bout here, do we???



I'm actually working today, so I can't write a new stored procedure to score

it...

but I'll gladly be a spectator...



Dan,

I played som b-ball yesterday... my knee is killing me!

About body slammed some guy 'cause he kept camping out in the paint. I mean

geez, it 'aint NBA out there, but you've gotta move every once in a while

right???

15 seconds???





-----Original Message-----

From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:15 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





Right - own up Danny....I'm getting closer and it looks like your

on dangerous coding grounds!



Your not dragging and dropping your images from explorer into InterDev

are YOU???



If you are then try adding file instead



Cheers

Brent



-----Original Message-----

From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

Sent: 18 February 2002 14:02

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





yeah im using vid6.. i really like intelletype.. maybe ill use homesite for

html, and vid6 for asp.. since homesite is a lil cheaper then vid.net..

lol.. ouch.. im not looking forward to a forced upgrade.. but anywayz.. was

there a solution for vid.net?



daniel



--

-----------------------------

Daniel O'Dorisio

daniel@o...

www.odorisio-networks.com

-----------------------------

"O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

news:147484@a..._forms...

:

: I've actually seen that prob on VID.net...

: but never 6, and I'm guessing thats what everyone's using...

:

: but VID.net does all the other "cool" stuff you talking about..

: adds clost tags, puts your cursor in the right place, and still has

: intelletype- which is the biggie in my mind...

: It also formats you html really nice, save you hitting the space tab 4

times

: if you've got an if in a table in a row in a column ;)

:

:

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 8:45 AM

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: i dont use design view.. please dont put me that low!!!! gosh.. lol.. no

but

: really.. i dont touch the design button.. but it does add thoes attributes

: automatically.. does it for yall? i mean it wont if i put one attrib in

: there.. like

: <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla" name="blaimage" id="blaimage"

: width="2" />

: it wont touch it.. but if i do like:

: <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla name="blaimage" id="blaimage"/> it

: turns it into:

: <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla" name="blaimage" id="blaimage" /

: WIDTH="32" HEIGHT="32">

: and that totally bombs the XHTML specs.. as well as ruins any javascript

: rollovers i have..

:

: also have you guys checked out homesite??? woah.. it is pretty sweet.. i

: have been looking at it.. (im still looking either for a fix for VID, or a

: new editor) and it automatically converts tags to lowercase, has lil

: utilities that make coding much easier, nice colorcoding.. HTML tag

: complete, the only thing is it dosnt support like the asp object code

: complete.. which is a bummer.. and the (tools->references) as brent likes

: isnt there.. but i dunno..

:

: daniel

:

: --

: -----------------------------

: Daniel O'Dorisio

: daniel@o...

: www.odorisio-networks.com

: -----------------------------

: "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

: news:147470@a..._forms...

: :

: : uh oh....

: : Brent and Elliott agree...

: : This is getting scary..

: :

: : daniel... you commited the cardnal sin.... and you're  very fortunate

that

: : the gods of asp only saw fit to punish you with img height and width

: : properties.

: : I've seen far worse punishments....

: :

: : Interdev is the best I've ever used... unless you use the design view-

if

: : you wanna do that, save yourself some money and buy frontpage...

: :

: : :o)

: : Elliott

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 7:54 AM

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] RE: editor choice

: :

: :

: : hello m8,

: :

: : I use visual interdev as well and its great so stick with it!  However,

I

: : never ever ever ever never ever ever etc etc use the Design tab to build

: my

: : page.  I just enter the code using the Source tab and then right click

and

: : select the View source in browser option!

: :

: : My boss uses the Design tab and its like Frontpage!  Crap!

: :

: : If you use the Design tab then it will add all sorts of stuff for you

: : automatically!

: :

: : I think thats your problem although I have to admit to being extremely

: : surprised if you are using the design tab and quick view tab!

: :

: : Cheers

: : Brent

: :

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: : Sent: 18 February 2002 12:26

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] editor choice

: :

: :

: : friends and fellow asp coders...

: :

: : i am using visual interdev since it was given to me.. but i am running

: into

: : a problem. it adds the width and height attributes to the images

: : automatically, that is all fine and dandy until you are using javascript

: to

: : change thoes images.. i mean i could write more script and have

javascript

: : change the width andheight attributes to reflect the image.. but i dont

: : really want to.. anywayz.. i mainly dont like the idea of VID changing

my

: : content on me.. that isnt a good editor.. so do any of yall know how to

: turn

: : this "feature" off or if not.. what editors do yall use that you like..

i

: : have tested homesite, and i think i like it!! but 100 bucks is 100

bucks..

: : then i also tried HTMLGate 2000 and that is ok.. except for the color

: : coding.. i dont dig the all blue approach.. but what do you guys use

that

: : works and you like?

: :

: : thanks

: : daniel

: :

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: : daniel@o...

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Message #39 by "Tim Morford" <tmorford@n...> on Mon, 18 Feb 2002 10:00:11 -0500
That leave me out! I'm 6'4" cant play basketball but I can wrestle!



-----Original Message-----

From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:54 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





as long as you can count to 3 while playing basketball...



-----Original Message-----

From: Locke, Darrell (FCS/SFC) [mailto:Darrell.Locke@g...]

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:48 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





Cmon, we are the country of the "Friendly" we accept everyone!! 



-----Original Message-----

From: Tim Morford [mailto:tmorford@n...] 

Sent: February 18, 2002 10:43 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice



Hey does Canada except Hippie's?



-----Original Message-----

From: Locke, Darrell (FCS/SFC) [mailto:Darrell.Locke@g...]

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:38 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





Wow, I work for Government here in Canada, not getting cut as of yet.  But

who knows.






















Message #40 by "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> on Mon, 18 Feb 2002 10:09:34 -0500
thats a crime man...

6-4 and can't play b-ball

how about volleyball?



ANd everyone- no comments fro mthe peanut gallery. I live In fl- you have to

play beach volleyball here...





-----Original Message-----

From: Tim Morford [mailto:tmorford@n...]

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 10:00 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





That leave me out! I'm 6'4" cant play basketball but I can wrestle!



-----Original Message-----

From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:54 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





as long as you can count to 3 while playing basketball...



-----Original Message-----

From: Locke, Darrell (FCS/SFC) [mailto:Darrell.Locke@g...]

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:48 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





Cmon, we are the country of the "Friendly" we accept everyone!! 



-----Original Message-----

From: Tim Morford [mailto:tmorford@n...] 

Sent: February 18, 2002 10:43 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice



Hey does Canada except Hippie's?



-----Original Message-----

From: Locke, Darrell (FCS/SFC) [mailto:Darrell.Locke@g...]

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:38 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





Wow, I work for Government here in Canada, not getting cut as of yet.  But

who knows.



























Message #41 by "Locke, Darrell (FCS/SFC)" <Darrell.Locke@g...> on Mon, 18 Feb 2002 11:11:25 -0400
Beach volley I can handle, beach, broads and surf.   Now that's the life!!



-----Original Message-----

From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...] 

Sent: February 18, 2002 11:10 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice



thats a crime man...

6-4 and can't play b-ball

how about volleyball?



ANd everyone- no comments fro mthe peanut gallery. I live In fl- you have to

play beach volleyball here...





-----Original Message-----

From: Tim Morford [mailto:tmorford@n...]

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 10:00 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





That leave me out! I'm 6'4" cant play basketball but I can wrestle!



-----Original Message-----

From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:54 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





as long as you can count to 3 while playing basketball...



-----Original Message-----

From: Locke, Darrell (FCS/SFC) [mailto:Darrell.Locke@g...]

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:48 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





Cmon, we are the country of the "Friendly" we accept everyone!! 



-----Original Message-----

From: Tim Morford [mailto:tmorford@n...] 

Sent: February 18, 2002 10:43 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice



Hey does Canada except Hippie's?



-----Original Message-----

From: Locke, Darrell (FCS/SFC) [mailto:Darrell.Locke@g...]

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:38 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





Wow, I work for Government here in Canada, not getting cut as of yet.  But

who knows.
































Message #42 by "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> on Mon, 18 Feb 2002 10:14:45 -0500
at least 3 times a week man...

Its the sporst as far as I'm concerned...



You cant hit a ball into someone elses face whith your hand and not get a

penalty in any other sport- that I know of...

Plus- required attire (for bystanders) is as close to no attire as is legal,

always a plus.



-----Original Message-----

From: Locke, Darrell (FCS/SFC) [mailto:Darrell.Locke@g...]

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 10:11 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





Beach volley I can handle, beach, broads and surf.   Now that's the life!!



-----Original Message-----

From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...] 

Sent: February 18, 2002 11:10 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice



thats a crime man...

6-4 and can't play b-ball

how about volleyball?



ANd everyone- no comments fro mthe peanut gallery. I live In fl- you have to

play beach volleyball here...





-----Original Message-----

From: Tim Morford [mailto:tmorford@n...]

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 10:00 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





That leave me out! I'm 6'4" cant play basketball but I can wrestle!



-----Original Message-----

From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:54 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





as long as you can count to 3 while playing basketball...



-----Original Message-----

From: Locke, Darrell (FCS/SFC) [mailto:Darrell.Locke@g...]

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:48 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





Cmon, we are the country of the "Friendly" we accept everyone!! 



-----Original Message-----

From: Tim Morford [mailto:tmorford@n...] 

Sent: February 18, 2002 10:43 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice



Hey does Canada except Hippie's?



-----Original Message-----

From: Locke, Darrell (FCS/SFC) [mailto:Darrell.Locke@g...]

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:38 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





Wow, I work for Government here in Canada, not getting cut as of yet.  But

who knows.





































Message #43 by "Alex Bienz\(viplondon\)" <alex@v...> on Mon, 18 Feb 2002 15:14:50 -0000
But guys in all seriousness, why would you be interested in paying girly

games like that?  Surely it's more important to be able to play manly games

such as Rugby and good ol' fashioned football!  (same as soccer folks)



;P



just had to get my tuppenceworth in, soz...



-----Original Message-----

From: Locke, Darrell (FCS/SFC) [mailto:Darrell.Locke@g...]

Sent: 18 February, 2002 15:01

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





But the question is....................can you play hockey, American

Football?? Lets get into the contact sports for a second. Don't have to

worry about counting to 3 with them, only need the IQ of 3 for these, haha



-----Original Message-----

From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

Sent: February 18, 2002 10:54 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice



as long as you can count to 3 while playing basketball...



-----Original Message-----

From: Locke, Darrell (FCS/SFC) [mailto:Darrell.Locke@g...]

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:48 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





Cmon, we are the country of the "Friendly" we accept everyone!!



-----Original Message-----

From: Tim Morford [mailto:tmorford@n...]

Sent: February 18, 2002 10:43 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice



Hey does Canada except Hippie's?



-----Original Message-----

From: Locke, Darrell (FCS/SFC) [mailto:Darrell.Locke@g...]

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:38 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





Wow, I work for Government here in Canada, not getting cut as of yet.  But

who knows.



























Message #44 by "Daniel" <daniel@o...> on Mon, 18 Feb 2002 10:09:45 -0500
same here



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:

: UCase tags are bad...

: Get over them, the day will come when they won't work at all...

:

: I used to be the same way.

: Then I started going to W3.org to check out stuff...

: changed me right quick like..

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:53 AM

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: You've been watching too much Top Gun!

:

: /Brent

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

: Sent: 18 February 2002 14:35

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: wasn't at work...

: was at home.

: We do have a softball league and We're having some picnic with a V-Ball

: tourney...

: V-Ball is my first love too- palyed that yesterday too...

:

: Getting hired here is like pulling teeth man- Government is cutting

: funding.. boeing is laying off...

: Kinda ugly- I'm a contractor too- got no promises that I get to stay-

:

: My Resume is up to date....

:

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Locke, Darrell (FCS/SFC) [mailto:Darrell.Locke@g...]

: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:31 AM

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: So who is going to hook me up in a job over there?? You guys have too much

: fun. B-ball, and stuff.  Sounds fun!

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: Sent: February 18, 2002 10:30 AM

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

: lol

:

: The last time I played B-Ball was at a camp when I was hit by major cramp.

: I did a massive jump, hooked the ball into the net before falling on the

: floor writhing around in pain....at least the ball went in!

:

: I hate cramp!  its a nightmare!

:

: /Brent

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

: Sent: 18 February 2002 14:22

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: LOL...

: we don't have another bout here, do we???

:

: I'm actually working today, so I can't write a new stored procedure to

score

: it...

: but I'll gladly be a spectator...

:

: Dan,

: I played som b-ball yesterday... my knee is killing me!

: About body slammed some guy 'cause he kept camping out in the paint. I

mean

: geez, it 'aint NBA out there, but you've gotta move every once in a while

: right???

: 15 seconds???

:

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:15 AM

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: Right - own up Danny....I'm getting closer and it looks like your

: on dangerous coding grounds!

:

: Your not dragging and dropping your images from explorer into InterDev

: are YOU???

:

: If you are then try adding file instead

:

: Cheers

: Brent

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: Sent: 18 February 2002 14:02

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: yeah im using vid6.. i really like intelletype.. maybe ill use homesite

for

: html, and vid6 for asp.. since homesite is a lil cheaper then vid.net..

: lol.. ouch.. im not looking forward to a forced upgrade.. but anywayz..

was

: there a solution for vid.net?

:

: daniel

:

: --

: -----------------------------

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: www.odorisio-networks.com

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: "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

: news:147484@a..._forms...

: :

: : I've actually seen that prob on VID.net...

: : but never 6, and I'm guessing thats what everyone's using...

: :

: : but VID.net does all the other "cool" stuff you talking about..

: : adds clost tags, puts your cursor in the right place, and still has

: : intelletype- which is the biggie in my mind...

: : It also formats you html really nice, save you hitting the space tab 4

: times

: : if you've got an if in a table in a row in a column ;)

: :

: :

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 8:45 AM

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : i dont use design view.. please dont put me that low!!!! gosh.. lol.. no

: but

: : really.. i dont touch the design button.. but it does add thoes

attributes

: : automatically.. does it for yall? i mean it wont if i put one attrib in

: : there.. like

: : <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla" name="blaimage" id="blaimage"

: : width="2" />

: : it wont touch it.. but if i do like:

: : <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla name="blaimage" id="blaimage"/> it

: : turns it into:

: : <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla" name="blaimage" id="blaimage" /

: : WIDTH="32" HEIGHT="32">

: : and that totally bombs the XHTML specs.. as well as ruins any javascript

: : rollovers i have..

: :

: : also have you guys checked out homesite??? woah.. it is pretty sweet.. i

: : have been looking at it.. (im still looking either for a fix for VID, or

a

: : new editor) and it automatically converts tags to lowercase, has lil

: : utilities that make coding much easier, nice colorcoding.. HTML tag

: : complete, the only thing is it dosnt support like the asp object code

: : complete.. which is a bummer.. and the (tools->references) as brent

likes

: : isnt there.. but i dunno..

: :

: : daniel

: :

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: : "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

: : news:147470@a..._forms...

: : :

: : : uh oh....

: : : Brent and Elliott agree...

: : : This is getting scary..

: : :

: : : daniel... you commited the cardnal sin.... and you're  very fortunate

: that

: : : the gods of asp only saw fit to punish you with img height and width

: : : properties.

: : : I've seen far worse punishments....

: : :

: : : Interdev is the best I've ever used... unless you use the design view-

: if

: : : you wanna do that, save yourself some money and buy frontpage...

: : :

: : : :o)

: : : Elliott

: : :

: : : -----Original Message-----

: : : From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: : : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 7:54 AM

: : : To: ASP Forms

: : : Subject: [asp_forms] RE: editor choice

: : :

: : :

: : : hello m8,

: : :

: : : I use visual interdev as well and its great so stick with it!

However,

: I

: : : never ever ever ever never ever ever etc etc use the Design tab to

build

: : my

: : : page.  I just enter the code using the Source tab and then right click

: and

: : : select the View source in browser option!

: : :

: : : My boss uses the Design tab and its like Frontpage!  Crap!

: : :

: : : If you use the Design tab then it will add all sorts of stuff for you

: : : automatically!

: : :

: : : I think thats your problem although I have to admit to being extremely

: : : surprised if you are using the design tab and quick view tab!

: : :

: : : Cheers

: : : Brent

: : :

: : :

: : : -----Original Message-----

: : : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: : : Sent: 18 February 2002 12:26

: : : To: ASP Forms

: : : Subject: [asp_forms] editor choice

: : :

: : :

: : : friends and fellow asp coders...

: : :

: : : i am using visual interdev since it was given to me.. but i am running

: : into

: : : a problem. it adds the width and height attributes to the images

: : : automatically, that is all fine and dandy until you are using

javascript

: : to

: : : change thoes images.. i mean i could write more script and have

: javascript

: : : change the width andheight attributes to reflect the image.. but i

dont

: : : really want to.. anywayz.. i mainly dont like the idea of VID changing

: my

: : : content on me.. that isnt a good editor.. so do any of yall know how

to

: : turn

: : : this "feature" off or if not.. what editors do yall use that you

like..

: i

: : : have tested homesite, and i think i like it!! but 100 bucks is 100

: bucks..

: : : then i also tried HTMLGate 2000 and that is ok.. except for the color

: : : coding.. i dont dig the all blue approach.. but what do you guys use

: that

: : : works and you like?

: : :

: : : thanks

: : : daniel

: : :

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Message #45 by Brent Latham <Brent2@w...> on Mon, 18 Feb 2002 15:20:21 -0000
footy requires a bit of finesse which Americans don't really have!



Rugby requires simple brawn which they do have...but they wouldn't

be able to resist kicking it all the time!



;)

Brent



-----Original Message-----

From: Alex Bienz(viplondon) [mailto:alex@v...]

Sent: 18 February 2002 15:15

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





But guys in all seriousness, why would you be interested in paying girly

games like that?  Surely it's more important to be able to play manly games

such as Rugby and good ol' fashioned football!  (same as soccer folks)



;P



just had to get my tuppenceworth in, soz...



-----Original Message-----

From: Locke, Darrell (FCS/SFC) [mailto:Darrell.Locke@g...]

Sent: 18 February, 2002 15:01

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





But the question is....................can you play hockey, American

Football?? Lets get into the contact sports for a second. Don't have to

worry about counting to 3 with them, only need the IQ of 3 for these, haha



-----Original Message-----

From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

Sent: February 18, 2002 10:54 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice



as long as you can count to 3 while playing basketball...



-----Original Message-----

From: Locke, Darrell (FCS/SFC) [mailto:Darrell.Locke@g...]

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:48 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





Cmon, we are the country of the "Friendly" we accept everyone!!



-----Original Message-----

From: Tim Morford [mailto:tmorford@n...]

Sent: February 18, 2002 10:43 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice



Hey does Canada except Hippie's?



-----Original Message-----

From: Locke, Darrell (FCS/SFC) [mailto:Darrell.Locke@g...]

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:38 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





Wow, I work for Government here in Canada, not getting cut as of yet.  But

who knows.
































Message #46 by "ken" <ken@w...> on Mon, 18 Feb 2002 10:19:53 -0500

C'mon guys, I hate to be a jerk but get a chat room.... 15 BS emails is

enough...





-----Original Message-----

From: Alex Bienz(viplondon) [mailto:alex@v...] 

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 10:15 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





But guys in all seriousness, why would you be interested in paying girly

games like that?  Surely it's more important to be able to play manly

games such as Rugby and good ol' fashioned football!  (same as soccer

folks)



;P



just had to get my tuppenceworth in, soz...



-----Original Message-----

From: Locke, Darrell (FCS/SFC) [mailto:Darrell.Locke@g...]

Sent: 18 February, 2002 15:01

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





But the question is....................can you play hockey, American

Football?? Lets get into the contact sports for a second. Don't have to

worry about counting to 3 with them, only need the IQ of 3 for these,

haha



-----Original Message-----

From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

Sent: February 18, 2002 10:54 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice



as long as you can count to 3 while playing basketball...



-----Original Message-----

From: Locke, Darrell (FCS/SFC) [mailto:Darrell.Locke@g...]

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:48 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





Cmon, we are the country of the "Friendly" we accept everyone!!



-----Original Message-----

From: Tim Morford [mailto:tmorford@n...]

Sent: February 18, 2002 10:43 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice



Hey does Canada except Hippie's?



-----Original Message-----

From: Locke, Darrell (FCS/SFC) [mailto:Darrell.Locke@g...]

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:38 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





Wow, I work for Government here in Canada, not getting cut as of yet.

But who knows.







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Message #47 by Brent Latham <Brent2@w...> on Mon, 18 Feb 2002 15:22:49 -0000
Its called PeopleWare m8!



Go and buy a book about it!  Its amazing the results you can get by

employeeing good honest peopleware techniques!



/Brent



-----Original Message-----

From: ken [mailto:ken@w...]

Sent: 18 February 2002 15:20

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice







C'mon guys, I hate to be a jerk but get a chat room.... 15 BS emails is

enough...





-----Original Message-----

From: Alex Bienz(viplondon) [mailto:alex@v...] 

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 10:15 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





But guys in all seriousness, why would you be interested in paying girly

games like that?  Surely it's more important to be able to play manly

games such as Rugby and good ol' fashioned football!  (same as soccer

folks)



;P



just had to get my tuppenceworth in, soz...



-----Original Message-----

From: Locke, Darrell (FCS/SFC) [mailto:Darrell.Locke@g...]

Sent: 18 February, 2002 15:01

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





But the question is....................can you play hockey, American

Football?? Lets get into the contact sports for a second. Don't have to

worry about counting to 3 with them, only need the IQ of 3 for these,

haha



-----Original Message-----

From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

Sent: February 18, 2002 10:54 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice



as long as you can count to 3 while playing basketball...



-----Original Message-----

From: Locke, Darrell (FCS/SFC) [mailto:Darrell.Locke@g...]

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:48 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





Cmon, we are the country of the "Friendly" we accept everyone!!



-----Original Message-----

From: Tim Morford [mailto:tmorford@n...]

Sent: February 18, 2002 10:43 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice



Hey does Canada except Hippie's?



-----Original Message-----

From: Locke, Darrell (FCS/SFC) [mailto:Darrell.Locke@g...]

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:38 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





Wow, I work for Government here in Canada, not getting cut as of yet.

But who knows.







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Message #48 by "Locke, Darrell (FCS/SFC)" <Darrell.Locke@g...> on Mon, 18 Feb 2002 11:21:30 -0400

Cmon kicking it, you mean butt right Brent. Size is a beautiful thing after

all! Haha



Rugby is definelty in the Europeans favour, but we do play a hell of

football game(American)!





-----Original Message-----

From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...] 

Sent: February 18, 2002 11:20 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice



footy requires a bit of finesse which Americans don't really have!



Rugby requires simple brawn which they do have...but they wouldn't

be able to resist kicking it all the time!



;)

Brent



-----Original Message-----

From: Alex Bienz(viplondon) [mailto:alex@v...]

Sent: 18 February 2002 15:15

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





But guys in all seriousness, why would you be interested in paying girly

games like that?  Surely it's more important to be able to play manly games

such as Rugby and good ol' fashioned football!  (same as soccer folks)



;P



just had to get my tuppenceworth in, soz...



-----Original Message-----

From: Locke, Darrell (FCS/SFC) [mailto:Darrell.Locke@g...]

Sent: 18 February, 2002 15:01

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





But the question is....................can you play hockey, American

Football?? Lets get into the contact sports for a second. Don't have to

worry about counting to 3 with them, only need the IQ of 3 for these, haha



-----Original Message-----

From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

Sent: February 18, 2002 10:54 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice



as long as you can count to 3 while playing basketball...



-----Original Message-----

From: Locke, Darrell (FCS/SFC) [mailto:Darrell.Locke@g...]

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:48 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





Cmon, we are the country of the "Friendly" we accept everyone!!



-----Original Message-----

From: Tim Morford [mailto:tmorford@n...]

Sent: February 18, 2002 10:43 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice



Hey does Canada except Hippie's?



-----Original Message-----

From: Locke, Darrell (FCS/SFC) [mailto:Darrell.Locke@g...]

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:38 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





Wow, I work for Government here in Canada, not getting cut as of yet.  But

who knows.





































Message #49 by "Locke, Darrell (FCS/SFC)" <Darrell.Locke@g...> on Mon, 18 Feb 2002 11:22:28 -0400
Ken breaks up party, thanks Ken!!



-----Original Message-----

From: ken [mailto:ken@w...] 

Sent: February 18, 2002 11:20 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





C'mon guys, I hate to be a jerk but get a chat room.... 15 BS emails is

enough...





-----Original Message-----

From: Alex Bienz(viplondon) [mailto:alex@v...] 

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 10:15 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





But guys in all seriousness, why would you be interested in paying girly

games like that?  Surely it's more important to be able to play manly

games such as Rugby and good ol' fashioned football!  (same as soccer

folks)



;P



just had to get my tuppenceworth in, soz...



-----Original Message-----

From: Locke, Darrell (FCS/SFC) [mailto:Darrell.Locke@g...]

Sent: 18 February, 2002 15:01

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





But the question is....................can you play hockey, American

Football?? Lets get into the contact sports for a second. Don't have to

worry about counting to 3 with them, only need the IQ of 3 for these,

haha



-----Original Message-----

From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

Sent: February 18, 2002 10:54 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice



as long as you can count to 3 while playing basketball...



-----Original Message-----

From: Locke, Darrell (FCS/SFC) [mailto:Darrell.Locke@g...]

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:48 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





Cmon, we are the country of the "Friendly" we accept everyone!!



-----Original Message-----

From: Tim Morford [mailto:tmorford@n...]

Sent: February 18, 2002 10:43 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice



Hey does Canada except Hippie's?



-----Original Message-----

From: Locke, Darrell (FCS/SFC) [mailto:Darrell.Locke@g...]

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:38 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





Wow, I work for Government here in Canada, not getting cut as of yet.

But who knows.







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Message #50 by Brent Latham <Brent2@w...> on Mon, 18 Feb 2002 15:37:57 -0000
I've just waded through about 4 pages of jargon and found absolutely

nothing of worthwhile from the infamouse w3 website!



I must conclude then that I was either looking in the wrong place

or that it is far to late or that it is far too late and I was looking

in the wrong place!



....UCASE stays I'm afraid...but thanks for the warning...I will keep

it in mind, I've stopped usnig the <CENTER> tags now - mostly because

its not that hard to do the same job another way!



cheers

Brent



-----Original Message-----

From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

Sent: 18 February 2002 15:10

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





same here



--

-----------------------------

Daniel O'Dorisio

daniel@o...

www.odorisio-networks.com

-----------------------------

"O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

news:147528@a..._forms...

:

: UCase tags are bad...

: Get over them, the day will come when they won't work at all...

:

: I used to be the same way.

: Then I started going to W3.org to check out stuff...

: changed me right quick like..

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:53 AM

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: You've been watching too much Top Gun!

:

: /Brent

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

: Sent: 18 February 2002 14:35

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: wasn't at work...

: was at home.

: We do have a softball league and We're having some picnic with a V-Ball

: tourney...

: V-Ball is my first love too- palyed that yesterday too...

:

: Getting hired here is like pulling teeth man- Government is cutting

: funding.. boeing is laying off...

: Kinda ugly- I'm a contractor too- got no promises that I get to stay-

:

: My Resume is up to date....

:

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Locke, Darrell (FCS/SFC) [mailto:Darrell.Locke@g...]

: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:31 AM

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: So who is going to hook me up in a job over there?? You guys have too much

: fun. B-ball, and stuff.  Sounds fun!

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: Sent: February 18, 2002 10:30 AM

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

: lol

:

: The last time I played B-Ball was at a camp when I was hit by major cramp.

: I did a massive jump, hooked the ball into the net before falling on the

: floor writhing around in pain....at least the ball went in!

:

: I hate cramp!  its a nightmare!

:

: /Brent

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

: Sent: 18 February 2002 14:22

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: LOL...

: we don't have another bout here, do we???

:

: I'm actually working today, so I can't write a new stored procedure to

score

: it...

: but I'll gladly be a spectator...

:

: Dan,

: I played som b-ball yesterday... my knee is killing me!

: About body slammed some guy 'cause he kept camping out in the paint. I

mean

: geez, it 'aint NBA out there, but you've gotta move every once in a while

: right???

: 15 seconds???

:

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:15 AM

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: Right - own up Danny....I'm getting closer and it looks like your

: on dangerous coding grounds!

:

: Your not dragging and dropping your images from explorer into InterDev

: are YOU???

:

: If you are then try adding file instead

:

: Cheers

: Brent

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: Sent: 18 February 2002 14:02

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: yeah im using vid6.. i really like intelletype.. maybe ill use homesite

for

: html, and vid6 for asp.. since homesite is a lil cheaper then vid.net..

: lol.. ouch.. im not looking forward to a forced upgrade.. but anywayz..

was

: there a solution for vid.net?

:

: daniel

:

: --

: -----------------------------

: Daniel O'Dorisio

: daniel@o...

: www.odorisio-networks.com

: -----------------------------

: "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

: news:147484@a..._forms...

: :

: : I've actually seen that prob on VID.net...

: : but never 6, and I'm guessing thats what everyone's using...

: :

: : but VID.net does all the other "cool" stuff you talking about..

: : adds clost tags, puts your cursor in the right place, and still has

: : intelletype- which is the biggie in my mind...

: : It also formats you html really nice, save you hitting the space tab 4

: times

: : if you've got an if in a table in a row in a column ;)

: :

: :

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 8:45 AM

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : i dont use design view.. please dont put me that low!!!! gosh.. lol.. no

: but

: : really.. i dont touch the design button.. but it does add thoes

attributes

: : automatically.. does it for yall? i mean it wont if i put one attrib in

: : there.. like

: : <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla" name="blaimage" id="blaimage"

: : width="2" />

: : it wont touch it.. but if i do like:

: : <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla name="blaimage" id="blaimage"/> it

: : turns it into:

: : <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla" name="blaimage" id="blaimage" /

: : WIDTH="32" HEIGHT="32">

: : and that totally bombs the XHTML specs.. as well as ruins any javascript

: : rollovers i have..

: :

: : also have you guys checked out homesite??? woah.. it is pretty sweet.. i

: : have been looking at it.. (im still looking either for a fix for VID, or

a

: : new editor) and it automatically converts tags to lowercase, has lil

: : utilities that make coding much easier, nice colorcoding.. HTML tag

: : complete, the only thing is it dosnt support like the asp object code

: : complete.. which is a bummer.. and the (tools->references) as brent

likes

: : isnt there.. but i dunno..

: :

: : daniel

: :

: : --

: : -----------------------------

: : Daniel O'Dorisio

: : daniel@o...

: : www.odorisio-networks.com

: : -----------------------------

: : "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

: : news:147470@a..._forms...

: : :

: : : uh oh....

: : : Brent and Elliott agree...

: : : This is getting scary..

: : :

: : : daniel... you commited the cardnal sin.... and you're  very fortunate

: that

: : : the gods of asp only saw fit to punish you with img height and width

: : : properties.

: : : I've seen far worse punishments....

: : :

: : : Interdev is the best I've ever used... unless you use the design view-

: if

: : : you wanna do that, save yourself some money and buy frontpage...

: : :

: : : :o)

: : : Elliott

: : :

: : : -----Original Message-----

: : : From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: : : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 7:54 AM

: : : To: ASP Forms

: : : Subject: [asp_forms] RE: editor choice

: : :

: : :

: : : hello m8,

: : :

: : : I use visual interdev as well and its great so stick with it!

However,

: I

: : : never ever ever ever never ever ever etc etc use the Design tab to

build

: : my

: : : page.  I just enter the code using the Source tab and then right click

: and

: : : select the View source in browser option!

: : :

: : : My boss uses the Design tab and its like Frontpage!  Crap!

: : :

: : : If you use the Design tab then it will add all sorts of stuff for you

: : : automatically!

: : :

: : : I think thats your problem although I have to admit to being extremely

: : : surprised if you are using the design tab and quick view tab!

: : :

: : : Cheers

: : : Brent

: : :

: : :

: : : -----Original Message-----

: : : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: : : Sent: 18 February 2002 12:26

: : : To: ASP Forms

: : : Subject: [asp_forms] editor choice

: : :

: : :

: : : friends and fellow asp coders...

: : :

: : : i am using visual interdev since it was given to me.. but i am running

: : into

: : : a problem. it adds the width and height attributes to the images

: : : automatically, that is all fine and dandy until you are using

javascript

: : to

: : : change thoes images.. i mean i could write more script and have

: javascript

: : : change the width andheight attributes to reflect the image.. but i

dont

: : : really want to.. anywayz.. i mainly dont like the idea of VID changing

: my

: : : content on me.. that isnt a good editor.. so do any of yall know how

to

: : turn

: : : this "feature" off or if not.. what editors do yall use that you

like..

: i

: : : have tested homesite, and i think i like it!! but 100 bucks is 100

: bucks..

: : : then i also tried HTMLGate 2000 and that is ok.. except for the color

: : : coding.. i dont dig the all blue approach.. but what do you guys use

: that

: : : works and you like?

: : :

: : : thanks

: : : daniel

: : :

: : : --

: : : -----------------------------

: : : Daniel O'Dorisio

: : : daniel@o...

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Message #51 by "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> on Mon, 18 Feb 2002 10:36:40 -0500
Last comment- don't want ken to get mad..



But who in his right mind can call hockey girly?



A hockey players talent is inversly proportunate to the number of teeth he

still posses- In my mind, that eliminates any sport from the "girly games"

stigma...





-----Original Message-----

From: Alex Bienz(viplondon) [mailto:alex@v...]

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 10:15 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





But guys in all seriousness, why would you be interested in paying girly

games like that?  Surely it's more important to be able to play manly games

such as Rugby and good ol' fashioned football!  (same as soccer folks)



;P



just had to get my tuppenceworth in, soz...



-----Original Message-----

From: Locke, Darrell (FCS/SFC) [mailto:Darrell.Locke@g...]

Sent: 18 February, 2002 15:01

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





But the question is....................can you play hockey, American

Football?? Lets get into the contact sports for a second. Don't have to

worry about counting to 3 with them, only need the IQ of 3 for these, haha



-----Original Message-----

From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

Sent: February 18, 2002 10:54 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice



as long as you can count to 3 while playing basketball...



-----Original Message-----

From: Locke, Darrell (FCS/SFC) [mailto:Darrell.Locke@g...]

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:48 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





Cmon, we are the country of the "Friendly" we accept everyone!!



-----Original Message-----

From: Tim Morford [mailto:tmorford@n...]

Sent: February 18, 2002 10:43 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice



Hey does Canada except Hippie's?



-----Original Message-----

From: Locke, Darrell (FCS/SFC) [mailto:Darrell.Locke@g...]

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:38 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





Wow, I work for Government here in Canada, not getting cut as of yet.  But

who knows.
































Message #52 by "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> on Mon, 18 Feb 2002 10:43:42 -0500
XHTML is the way to write your HMTL. That way when you get blind people in

your company- all you need to do is make a new CSS and bingo! They can talk

to your app- or PDA's...



I Quote

http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/#why



"Alternate ways of accessing the Internet are constantly being introduced.

Some estimates indicate that by the year 2002, 75% of Internet document

viewing will be carried out on these alternate platforms. The XHTML family

is designed with general user agent interoperability in mind. Through a new

user agent and document profiling mechanism, servers, proxies, and user

agents will be able to perform best effort content transformation.

Ultimately, it will be possible to develop XHTML-conforming content that is

usable by any XHTML-conforming user agent"



YES I KNOW ITS 2002, but STILL!!!





with that in mind...

go here...

http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/#diffs





:o)

15 foot jumper nuthin but da bottum....



-----Original Message-----

From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 10:38 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





I've just waded through about 4 pages of jargon and found absolutely

nothing of worthwhile from the infamouse w3 website!



I must conclude then that I was either looking in the wrong place

or that it is far to late or that it is far too late and I was looking

in the wrong place!



....UCASE stays I'm afraid...but thanks for the warning...I will keep

it in mind, I've stopped usnig the <CENTER> tags now - mostly because

its not that hard to do the same job another way!



cheers

Brent



-----Original Message-----

From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

Sent: 18 February 2002 15:10

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





same here



--

-----------------------------

Daniel O'Dorisio

daniel@o...

www.odorisio-networks.com

-----------------------------

"O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

news:147528@a..._forms...

:

: UCase tags are bad...

: Get over them, the day will come when they won't work at all...

:

: I used to be the same way.

: Then I started going to W3.org to check out stuff...

: changed me right quick like..

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:53 AM

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: You've been watching too much Top Gun!

:

: /Brent

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

: Sent: 18 February 2002 14:35

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: wasn't at work...

: was at home.

: We do have a softball league and We're having some picnic with a V-Ball

: tourney...

: V-Ball is my first love too- palyed that yesterday too...

:

: Getting hired here is like pulling teeth man- Government is cutting

: funding.. boeing is laying off...

: Kinda ugly- I'm a contractor too- got no promises that I get to stay-

:

: My Resume is up to date....

:

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Locke, Darrell (FCS/SFC) [mailto:Darrell.Locke@g...]

: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:31 AM

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: So who is going to hook me up in a job over there?? You guys have too much

: fun. B-ball, and stuff.  Sounds fun!

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: Sent: February 18, 2002 10:30 AM

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

: lol

:

: The last time I played B-Ball was at a camp when I was hit by major cramp.

: I did a massive jump, hooked the ball into the net before falling on the

: floor writhing around in pain....at least the ball went in!

:

: I hate cramp!  its a nightmare!

:

: /Brent

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

: Sent: 18 February 2002 14:22

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: LOL...

: we don't have another bout here, do we???

:

: I'm actually working today, so I can't write a new stored procedure to

score

: it...

: but I'll gladly be a spectator...

:

: Dan,

: I played som b-ball yesterday... my knee is killing me!

: About body slammed some guy 'cause he kept camping out in the paint. I

mean

: geez, it 'aint NBA out there, but you've gotta move every once in a while

: right???

: 15 seconds???

:

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:15 AM

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: Right - own up Danny....I'm getting closer and it looks like your

: on dangerous coding grounds!

:

: Your not dragging and dropping your images from explorer into InterDev

: are YOU???

:

: If you are then try adding file instead

:

: Cheers

: Brent

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: Sent: 18 February 2002 14:02

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: yeah im using vid6.. i really like intelletype.. maybe ill use homesite

for

: html, and vid6 for asp.. since homesite is a lil cheaper then vid.net..

: lol.. ouch.. im not looking forward to a forced upgrade.. but anywayz..

was

: there a solution for vid.net?

:

: daniel

:

: --

: -----------------------------

: Daniel O'Dorisio

: daniel@o...

: www.odorisio-networks.com

: -----------------------------

: "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

: news:147484@a..._forms...

: :

: : I've actually seen that prob on VID.net...

: : but never 6, and I'm guessing thats what everyone's using...

: :

: : but VID.net does all the other "cool" stuff you talking about..

: : adds clost tags, puts your cursor in the right place, and still has

: : intelletype- which is the biggie in my mind...

: : It also formats you html really nice, save you hitting the space tab 4

: times

: : if you've got an if in a table in a row in a column ;)

: :

: :

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 8:45 AM

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : i dont use design view.. please dont put me that low!!!! gosh.. lol.. no

: but

: : really.. i dont touch the design button.. but it does add thoes

attributes

: : automatically.. does it for yall? i mean it wont if i put one attrib in

: : there.. like

: : <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla" name="blaimage" id="blaimage"

: : width="2" />

: : it wont touch it.. but if i do like:

: : <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla name="blaimage" id="blaimage"/> it

: : turns it into:

: : <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla" name="blaimage" id="blaimage" /

: : WIDTH="32" HEIGHT="32">

: : and that totally bombs the XHTML specs.. as well as ruins any javascript

: : rollovers i have..

: :

: : also have you guys checked out homesite??? woah.. it is pretty sweet.. i

: : have been looking at it.. (im still looking either for a fix for VID, or

a

: : new editor) and it automatically converts tags to lowercase, has lil

: : utilities that make coding much easier, nice colorcoding.. HTML tag

: : complete, the only thing is it dosnt support like the asp object code

: : complete.. which is a bummer.. and the (tools->references) as brent

likes

: : isnt there.. but i dunno..

: :

: : daniel

: :

: : --

: : -----------------------------

: : Daniel O'Dorisio

: : daniel@o...

: : www.odorisio-networks.com

: : -----------------------------

: : "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

: : news:147470@a..._forms...

: : :

: : : uh oh....

: : : Brent and Elliott agree...

: : : This is getting scary..

: : :

: : : daniel... you commited the cardnal sin.... and you're  very fortunate

: that

: : : the gods of asp only saw fit to punish you with img height and width

: : : properties.

: : : I've seen far worse punishments....

: : :

: : : Interdev is the best I've ever used... unless you use the design view-

: if

: : : you wanna do that, save yourself some money and buy frontpage...

: : :

: : : :o)

: : : Elliott

: : :

: : : -----Original Message-----

: : : From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: : : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 7:54 AM

: : : To: ASP Forms

: : : Subject: [asp_forms] RE: editor choice

: : :

: : :

: : : hello m8,

: : :

: : : I use visual interdev as well and its great so stick with it!

However,

: I

: : : never ever ever ever never ever ever etc etc use the Design tab to

build

: : my

: : : page.  I just enter the code using the Source tab and then right click

: and

: : : select the View source in browser option!

: : :

: : : My boss uses the Design tab and its like Frontpage!  Crap!

: : :

: : : If you use the Design tab then it will add all sorts of stuff for you

: : : automatically!

: : :

: : : I think thats your problem although I have to admit to being extremely

: : : surprised if you are using the design tab and quick view tab!

: : :

: : : Cheers

: : : Brent

: : :

: : :

: : : -----Original Message-----

: : : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: : : Sent: 18 February 2002 12:26

: : : To: ASP Forms

: : : Subject: [asp_forms] editor choice

: : :

: : :

: : : friends and fellow asp coders...

: : :

: : : i am using visual interdev since it was given to me.. but i am running

: : into

: : : a problem. it adds the width and height attributes to the images

: : : automatically, that is all fine and dandy until you are using

javascript

: : to

: : : change thoes images.. i mean i could write more script and have

: javascript

: : : change the width andheight attributes to reflect the image.. but i

dont

: : : really want to.. anywayz.. i mainly dont like the idea of VID changing

: my

: : : content on me.. that isnt a good editor.. so do any of yall know how

to

: : turn

: : : this "feature" off or if not.. what editors do yall use that you

like..

: i

: : : have tested homesite, and i think i like it!! but 100 bucks is 100

: bucks..

: : : then i also tried HTMLGate 2000 and that is ok.. except for the color

: : : coding.. i dont dig the all blue approach.. but what do you guys use

: that

: : : works and you like?

: : :

: : : thanks

: : : daniel

: : :

: : : --

: : : -----------------------------

: : : Daniel O'Dorisio

: : : daniel@o...

: : : www.odorisio-networks.com

: : : -----------------------------

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Message #53 by Brent Latham <Brent2@w...> on Mon, 18 Feb 2002 15:49:12 -0000
So your saying that HTML will become XHTML?



That way when you get blind people in

your company- all you need to do is make a new CSS and bingo! They can talk

to your app- or PDA's..



Could you go into a little more depth here cos I'm the one whos being stupid

now!



Interestingly enought, I don't use CSS anymore!  I add whatever styles I

think

is necessary in the <HEAD>.



Cheers

/Brent



-----Original Message-----

From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

Sent: 18 February 2002 15:44

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





XHTML is the way to write your HMTL. That way when you get blind people in

your company- all you need to do is make a new CSS and bingo! They can talk

to your app- or PDA's...



I Quote

http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/#why



"Alternate ways of accessing the Internet are constantly being introduced.

Some estimates indicate that by the year 2002, 75% of Internet document

viewing will be carried out on these alternate platforms. The XHTML family

is designed with general user agent interoperability in mind. Through a new

user agent and document profiling mechanism, servers, proxies, and user

agents will be able to perform best effort content transformation.

Ultimately, it will be possible to develop XHTML-conforming content that is

usable by any XHTML-conforming user agent"



YES I KNOW ITS 2002, but STILL!!!





with that in mind...

go here...

http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/#diffs





:o)

15 foot jumper nuthin but da bottum....



-----Original Message-----

From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 10:38 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





I've just waded through about 4 pages of jargon and found absolutely

nothing of worthwhile from the infamouse w3 website!



I must conclude then that I was either looking in the wrong place

or that it is far to late or that it is far too late and I was looking

in the wrong place!



....UCASE stays I'm afraid...but thanks for the warning...I will keep

it in mind, I've stopped usnig the <CENTER> tags now - mostly because

its not that hard to do the same job another way!



cheers

Brent



-----Original Message-----

From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

Sent: 18 February 2002 15:10

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





same here



--

-----------------------------

Daniel O'Dorisio

daniel@o...

www.odorisio-networks.com

-----------------------------

"O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

news:147528@a..._forms...

:

: UCase tags are bad...

: Get over them, the day will come when they won't work at all...

:

: I used to be the same way.

: Then I started going to W3.org to check out stuff...

: changed me right quick like..

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:53 AM

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: You've been watching too much Top Gun!

:

: /Brent

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

: Sent: 18 February 2002 14:35

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: wasn't at work...

: was at home.

: We do have a softball league and We're having some picnic with a V-Ball

: tourney...

: V-Ball is my first love too- palyed that yesterday too...

:

: Getting hired here is like pulling teeth man- Government is cutting

: funding.. boeing is laying off...

: Kinda ugly- I'm a contractor too- got no promises that I get to stay-

:

: My Resume is up to date....

:

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Locke, Darrell (FCS/SFC) [mailto:Darrell.Locke@g...]

: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:31 AM

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: So who is going to hook me up in a job over there?? You guys have too much

: fun. B-ball, and stuff.  Sounds fun!

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: Sent: February 18, 2002 10:30 AM

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

: lol

:

: The last time I played B-Ball was at a camp when I was hit by major cramp.

: I did a massive jump, hooked the ball into the net before falling on the

: floor writhing around in pain....at least the ball went in!

:

: I hate cramp!  its a nightmare!

:

: /Brent

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

: Sent: 18 February 2002 14:22

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: LOL...

: we don't have another bout here, do we???

:

: I'm actually working today, so I can't write a new stored procedure to

score

: it...

: but I'll gladly be a spectator...

:

: Dan,

: I played som b-ball yesterday... my knee is killing me!

: About body slammed some guy 'cause he kept camping out in the paint. I

mean

: geez, it 'aint NBA out there, but you've gotta move every once in a while

: right???

: 15 seconds???

:

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:15 AM

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: Right - own up Danny....I'm getting closer and it looks like your

: on dangerous coding grounds!

:

: Your not dragging and dropping your images from explorer into InterDev

: are YOU???

:

: If you are then try adding file instead

:

: Cheers

: Brent

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: Sent: 18 February 2002 14:02

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: yeah im using vid6.. i really like intelletype.. maybe ill use homesite

for

: html, and vid6 for asp.. since homesite is a lil cheaper then vid.net..

: lol.. ouch.. im not looking forward to a forced upgrade.. but anywayz..

was

: there a solution for vid.net?

:

: daniel

:

: --

: -----------------------------

: Daniel O'Dorisio

: daniel@o...

: www.odorisio-networks.com

: -----------------------------

: "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

: news:147484@a..._forms...

: :

: : I've actually seen that prob on VID.net...

: : but never 6, and I'm guessing thats what everyone's using...

: :

: : but VID.net does all the other "cool" stuff you talking about..

: : adds clost tags, puts your cursor in the right place, and still has

: : intelletype- which is the biggie in my mind...

: : It also formats you html really nice, save you hitting the space tab 4

: times

: : if you've got an if in a table in a row in a column ;)

: :

: :

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 8:45 AM

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : i dont use design view.. please dont put me that low!!!! gosh.. lol.. no

: but

: : really.. i dont touch the design button.. but it does add thoes

attributes

: : automatically.. does it for yall? i mean it wont if i put one attrib in

: : there.. like

: : <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla" name="blaimage" id="blaimage"

: : width="2" />

: : it wont touch it.. but if i do like:

: : <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla name="blaimage" id="blaimage"/> it

: : turns it into:

: : <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla" name="blaimage" id="blaimage" /

: : WIDTH="32" HEIGHT="32">

: : and that totally bombs the XHTML specs.. as well as ruins any javascript

: : rollovers i have..

: :

: : also have you guys checked out homesite??? woah.. it is pretty sweet.. i

: : have been looking at it.. (im still looking either for a fix for VID, or

a

: : new editor) and it automatically converts tags to lowercase, has lil

: : utilities that make coding much easier, nice colorcoding.. HTML tag

: : complete, the only thing is it dosnt support like the asp object code

: : complete.. which is a bummer.. and the (tools->references) as brent

likes

: : isnt there.. but i dunno..

: :

: : daniel

: :

: : --

: : -----------------------------

: : Daniel O'Dorisio

: : daniel@o...

: : www.odorisio-networks.com

: : -----------------------------

: : "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

: : news:147470@a..._forms...

: : :

: : : uh oh....

: : : Brent and Elliott agree...

: : : This is getting scary..

: : :

: : : daniel... you commited the cardnal sin.... and you're  very fortunate

: that

: : : the gods of asp only saw fit to punish you with img height and width

: : : properties.

: : : I've seen far worse punishments....

: : :

: : : Interdev is the best I've ever used... unless you use the design view-

: if

: : : you wanna do that, save yourself some money and buy frontpage...

: : :

: : : :o)

: : : Elliott

: : :

: : : -----Original Message-----

: : : From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: : : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 7:54 AM

: : : To: ASP Forms

: : : Subject: [asp_forms] RE: editor choice

: : :

: : :

: : : hello m8,

: : :

: : : I use visual interdev as well and its great so stick with it!

However,

: I

: : : never ever ever ever never ever ever etc etc use the Design tab to

build

: : my

: : : page.  I just enter the code using the Source tab and then right click

: and

: : : select the View source in browser option!

: : :

: : : My boss uses the Design tab and its like Frontpage!  Crap!

: : :

: : : If you use the Design tab then it will add all sorts of stuff for you

: : : automatically!

: : :

: : : I think thats your problem although I have to admit to being extremely

: : : surprised if you are using the design tab and quick view tab!

: : :

: : : Cheers

: : : Brent

: : :

: : :

: : : -----Original Message-----

: : : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: : : Sent: 18 February 2002 12:26

: : : To: ASP Forms

: : : Subject: [asp_forms] editor choice

: : :

: : :

: : : friends and fellow asp coders...

: : :

: : : i am using visual interdev since it was given to me.. but i am running

: : into

: : : a problem. it adds the width and height attributes to the images

: : : automatically, that is all fine and dandy until you are using

javascript

: : to

: : : change thoes images.. i mean i could write more script and have

: javascript

: : : change the width andheight attributes to reflect the image.. but i

dont

: : : really want to.. anywayz.. i mainly dont like the idea of VID changing

: my

: : : content on me.. that isnt a good editor.. so do any of yall know how

to

: : turn

: : : this "feature" off or if not.. what editors do yall use that you

like..

: i

: : : have tested homesite, and i think i like it!! but 100 bucks is 100

: bucks..

: : : then i also tried HTMLGate 2000 and that is ok.. except for the color

: : : coding.. i dont dig the all blue approach.. but what do you guys use

: that

: : : works and you like?

: : :

: : : thanks

: : : daniel

: : :

: : : --

: : : -----------------------------

: : : Daniel O'Dorisio

: : : daniel@o...

: : : www.odorisio-networks.com

: : : -----------------------------

: : :

: : :

: : :




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Message #54 by Brent Latham <Brent2@w...> on Mon, 18 Feb 2002 15:58:11 -0000
Scrub my last email!



I've just visited the bottom site and suddenly I think it will be very

foolish of me

not to look into XHTML more thoroughly!



With this in mind...I'm going home!



Thanks for the pointer pal



/Brent



-----Original Message-----

From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

Sent: 18 February 2002 15:44

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





XHTML is the way to write your HMTL. That way when you get blind people in

your company- all you need to do is make a new CSS and bingo! They can talk

to your app- or PDA's...



I Quote

http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/#why



"Alternate ways of accessing the Internet are constantly being introduced.

Some estimates indicate that by the year 2002, 75% of Internet document

viewing will be carried out on these alternate platforms. The XHTML family

is designed with general user agent interoperability in mind. Through a new

user agent and document profiling mechanism, servers, proxies, and user

agents will be able to perform best effort content transformation.

Ultimately, it will be possible to develop XHTML-conforming content that is

usable by any XHTML-conforming user agent"



YES I KNOW ITS 2002, but STILL!!!





with that in mind...

go here...

http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/#diffs





:o)

15 foot jumper nuthin but da bottum....



-----Original Message-----

From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 10:38 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





I've just waded through about 4 pages of jargon and found absolutely

nothing of worthwhile from the infamouse w3 website!



I must conclude then that I was either looking in the wrong place

or that it is far to late or that it is far too late and I was looking

in the wrong place!



....UCASE stays I'm afraid...but thanks for the warning...I will keep

it in mind, I've stopped usnig the <CENTER> tags now - mostly because

its not that hard to do the same job another way!



cheers

Brent



-----Original Message-----

From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

Sent: 18 February 2002 15:10

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





same here



--

-----------------------------

Daniel O'Dorisio

daniel@o...

www.odorisio-networks.com

-----------------------------

"O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

news:147528@a..._forms...

:

: UCase tags are bad...

: Get over them, the day will come when they won't work at all...

:

: I used to be the same way.

: Then I started going to W3.org to check out stuff...

: changed me right quick like..

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:53 AM

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: You've been watching too much Top Gun!

:

: /Brent

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

: Sent: 18 February 2002 14:35

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: wasn't at work...

: was at home.

: We do have a softball league and We're having some picnic with a V-Ball

: tourney...

: V-Ball is my first love too- palyed that yesterday too...

:

: Getting hired here is like pulling teeth man- Government is cutting

: funding.. boeing is laying off...

: Kinda ugly- I'm a contractor too- got no promises that I get to stay-

:

: My Resume is up to date....

:

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Locke, Darrell (FCS/SFC) [mailto:Darrell.Locke@g...]

: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:31 AM

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: So who is going to hook me up in a job over there?? You guys have too much

: fun. B-ball, and stuff.  Sounds fun!

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: Sent: February 18, 2002 10:30 AM

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

: lol

:

: The last time I played B-Ball was at a camp when I was hit by major cramp.

: I did a massive jump, hooked the ball into the net before falling on the

: floor writhing around in pain....at least the ball went in!

:

: I hate cramp!  its a nightmare!

:

: /Brent

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

: Sent: 18 February 2002 14:22

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: LOL...

: we don't have another bout here, do we???

:

: I'm actually working today, so I can't write a new stored procedure to

score

: it...

: but I'll gladly be a spectator...

:

: Dan,

: I played som b-ball yesterday... my knee is killing me!

: About body slammed some guy 'cause he kept camping out in the paint. I

mean

: geez, it 'aint NBA out there, but you've gotta move every once in a while

: right???

: 15 seconds???

:

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:15 AM

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: Right - own up Danny....I'm getting closer and it looks like your

: on dangerous coding grounds!

:

: Your not dragging and dropping your images from explorer into InterDev

: are YOU???

:

: If you are then try adding file instead

:

: Cheers

: Brent

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: Sent: 18 February 2002 14:02

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: yeah im using vid6.. i really like intelletype.. maybe ill use homesite

for

: html, and vid6 for asp.. since homesite is a lil cheaper then vid.net..

: lol.. ouch.. im not looking forward to a forced upgrade.. but anywayz..

was

: there a solution for vid.net?

:

: daniel

:

: --

: -----------------------------

: Daniel O'Dorisio

: daniel@o...

: www.odorisio-networks.com

: -----------------------------

: "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

: news:147484@a..._forms...

: :

: : I've actually seen that prob on VID.net...

: : but never 6, and I'm guessing thats what everyone's using...

: :

: : but VID.net does all the other "cool" stuff you talking about..

: : adds clost tags, puts your cursor in the right place, and still has

: : intelletype- which is the biggie in my mind...

: : It also formats you html really nice, save you hitting the space tab 4

: times

: : if you've got an if in a table in a row in a column ;)

: :

: :

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 8:45 AM

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : i dont use design view.. please dont put me that low!!!! gosh.. lol.. no

: but

: : really.. i dont touch the design button.. but it does add thoes

attributes

: : automatically.. does it for yall? i mean it wont if i put one attrib in

: : there.. like

: : <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla" name="blaimage" id="blaimage"

: : width="2" />

: : it wont touch it.. but if i do like:

: : <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla name="blaimage" id="blaimage"/> it

: : turns it into:

: : <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla" name="blaimage" id="blaimage" /

: : WIDTH="32" HEIGHT="32">

: : and that totally bombs the XHTML specs.. as well as ruins any javascript

: : rollovers i have..

: :

: : also have you guys checked out homesite??? woah.. it is pretty sweet.. i

: : have been looking at it.. (im still looking either for a fix for VID, or

a

: : new editor) and it automatically converts tags to lowercase, has lil

: : utilities that make coding much easier, nice colorcoding.. HTML tag

: : complete, the only thing is it dosnt support like the asp object code

: : complete.. which is a bummer.. and the (tools->references) as brent

likes

: : isnt there.. but i dunno..

: :

: : daniel

: :

: : --

: : -----------------------------

: : Daniel O'Dorisio

: : daniel@o...

: : www.odorisio-networks.com

: : -----------------------------

: : "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

: : news:147470@a..._forms...

: : :

: : : uh oh....

: : : Brent and Elliott agree...

: : : This is getting scary..

: : :

: : : daniel... you commited the cardnal sin.... and you're  very fortunate

: that

: : : the gods of asp only saw fit to punish you with img height and width

: : : properties.

: : : I've seen far worse punishments....

: : :

: : : Interdev is the best I've ever used... unless you use the design view-

: if

: : : you wanna do that, save yourself some money and buy frontpage...

: : :

: : : :o)

: : : Elliott

: : :

: : : -----Original Message-----

: : : From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: : : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 7:54 AM

: : : To: ASP Forms

: : : Subject: [asp_forms] RE: editor choice

: : :

: : :

: : : hello m8,

: : :

: : : I use visual interdev as well and its great so stick with it!

However,

: I

: : : never ever ever ever never ever ever etc etc use the Design tab to

build

: : my

: : : page.  I just enter the code using the Source tab and then right click

: and

: : : select the View source in browser option!

: : :

: : : My boss uses the Design tab and its like Frontpage!  Crap!

: : :

: : : If you use the Design tab then it will add all sorts of stuff for you

: : : automatically!

: : :

: : : I think thats your problem although I have to admit to being extremely

: : : surprised if you are using the design tab and quick view tab!

: : :

: : : Cheers

: : : Brent

: : :

: : :

: : : -----Original Message-----

: : : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: : : Sent: 18 February 2002 12:26

: : : To: ASP Forms

: : : Subject: [asp_forms] editor choice

: : :

: : :

: : : friends and fellow asp coders...

: : :

: : : i am using visual interdev since it was given to me.. but i am running

: : into

: : : a problem. it adds the width and height attributes to the images

: : : automatically, that is all fine and dandy until you are using

javascript

: : to

: : : change thoes images.. i mean i could write more script and have

: javascript

: : : change the width andheight attributes to reflect the image.. but i

dont

: : : really want to.. anywayz.. i mainly dont like the idea of VID changing

: my

: : : content on me.. that isnt a good editor.. so do any of yall know how

to

: : turn

: : : this "feature" off or if not.. what editors do yall use that you

like..

: i

: : : have tested homesite, and i think i like it!! but 100 bucks is 100

: bucks..

: : : then i also tried HTMLGate 2000 and that is ok.. except for the color

: : : coding.. i dont dig the all blue approach.. but what do you guys use

: that

: : : works and you like?

: : :

: : : thanks

: : : daniel

: : :

: : : --

: : : -----------------------------

: : : Daniel O'Dorisio

: : : daniel@o...

: : : www.odorisio-networks.com

: : : -----------------------------

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Message #55 by "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> on Mon, 18 Feb 2002 11:04:25 -0500
I'm saying that if you at least conform to the standards that all you have

to do is add a 

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN"

"DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">



right before the root <html> and your documents become XHTML...

They can then be treated like any other XML document, because they're well

formed.

<IMG SRC="images/myimage.gif">

becomes 

<img src="images/myimage.gif" />



and so forth..



any XML parser will handle a valid XHTML file-

make it an XSL or CSS for whatever device you want to output and it (in

theory) that simple...



As far as putting your CSS in your head-

If your going public whith your site- and your at all worried about things

like search engine placement, you need to go the otehr way...

A lot of bots only search so deep into your HTML- putting a lot in your head

increases the chances that the meat of your page won't ever get crawled.



Also-

Its good practice to keep the display of your document separted from the

data as much as possible, see the comments about why XHTML for my reasons..



Heres what I do...

<head>

<!--my meta tags and such --?

<script language="javascript>

/* client side sniffer goes here */

if(isIE4)

document.write('<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="../IE4.css"

/>')

if(isNS)

document.write('<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="../NS.css" />')

if(Generic)

document.write('<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="../GEN.css"

/>')

</script>

</head>





That way the vast majority of my display is totally separate from my

content- the way HTML is "supposed" to be written...



Take a look... I STRONGLY believe that all html should be handled this

way--- its how it was ment to be from the get go..



Then along came NS composer and FP and everyone for got that HTML is

supposed to carry data- not display it...

displayig is for CSS or XSL...



anyway, i doubt anyone but brent is reading this (maybe Dan too) 

so I'll shut up..



-----Original Message-----

From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 10:49 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





So your saying that HTML will become XHTML?



That way when you get blind people in

your company- all you need to do is make a new CSS and bingo! They can talk

to your app- or PDA's..



Could you go into a little more depth here cos I'm the one whos being stupid

now!



Interestingly enought, I don't use CSS anymore!  I add whatever styles I

think

is necessary in the <HEAD>.



Cheers

/Brent



-----Original Message-----

From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

Sent: 18 February 2002 15:44

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





XHTML is the way to write your HMTL. That way when you get blind people in

your company- all you need to do is make a new CSS and bingo! They can talk

to your app- or PDA's...



I Quote

http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/#why



"Alternate ways of accessing the Internet are constantly being introduced.

Some estimates indicate that by the year 2002, 75% of Internet document

viewing will be carried out on these alternate platforms. The XHTML family

is designed with general user agent interoperability in mind. Through a new

user agent and document profiling mechanism, servers, proxies, and user

agents will be able to perform best effort content transformation.

Ultimately, it will be possible to develop XHTML-conforming content that is

usable by any XHTML-conforming user agent"



YES I KNOW ITS 2002, but STILL!!!





with that in mind...

go here...

http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/#diffs





:o)

15 foot jumper nuthin but da bottum....



-----Original Message-----

From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 10:38 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





I've just waded through about 4 pages of jargon and found absolutely

nothing of worthwhile from the infamouse w3 website!



I must conclude then that I was either looking in the wrong place

or that it is far to late or that it is far too late and I was looking

in the wrong place!



....UCASE stays I'm afraid...but thanks for the warning...I will keep

it in mind, I've stopped usnig the <CENTER> tags now - mostly because

its not that hard to do the same job another way!



cheers

Brent



-----Original Message-----

From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

Sent: 18 February 2002 15:10

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





same here



--

-----------------------------

Daniel O'Dorisio

daniel@o...

www.odorisio-networks.com

-----------------------------

"O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

news:147528@a..._forms...

:

: UCase tags are bad...

: Get over them, the day will come when they won't work at all...

:

: I used to be the same way.

: Then I started going to W3.org to check out stuff...

: changed me right quick like..

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:53 AM

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: You've been watching too much Top Gun!

:

: /Brent

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

: Sent: 18 February 2002 14:35

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: wasn't at work...

: was at home.

: We do have a softball league and We're having some picnic with a V-Ball

: tourney...

: V-Ball is my first love too- palyed that yesterday too...

:

: Getting hired here is like pulling teeth man- Government is cutting

: funding.. boeing is laying off...

: Kinda ugly- I'm a contractor too- got no promises that I get to stay-

:

: My Resume is up to date....

:

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Locke, Darrell (FCS/SFC) [mailto:Darrell.Locke@g...]

: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:31 AM

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: So who is going to hook me up in a job over there?? You guys have too much

: fun. B-ball, and stuff.  Sounds fun!

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: Sent: February 18, 2002 10:30 AM

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

: lol

:

: The last time I played B-Ball was at a camp when I was hit by major cramp.

: I did a massive jump, hooked the ball into the net before falling on the

: floor writhing around in pain....at least the ball went in!

:

: I hate cramp!  its a nightmare!

:

: /Brent

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

: Sent: 18 February 2002 14:22

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: LOL...

: we don't have another bout here, do we???

:

: I'm actually working today, so I can't write a new stored procedure to

score

: it...

: but I'll gladly be a spectator...

:

: Dan,

: I played som b-ball yesterday... my knee is killing me!

: About body slammed some guy 'cause he kept camping out in the paint. I

mean

: geez, it 'aint NBA out there, but you've gotta move every once in a while

: right???

: 15 seconds???

:

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:15 AM

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: Right - own up Danny....I'm getting closer and it looks like your

: on dangerous coding grounds!

:

: Your not dragging and dropping your images from explorer into InterDev

: are YOU???

:

: If you are then try adding file instead

:

: Cheers

: Brent

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: Sent: 18 February 2002 14:02

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: yeah im using vid6.. i really like intelletype.. maybe ill use homesite

for

: html, and vid6 for asp.. since homesite is a lil cheaper then vid.net..

: lol.. ouch.. im not looking forward to a forced upgrade.. but anywayz..

was

: there a solution for vid.net?

:

: daniel

:

: --

: -----------------------------

: Daniel O'Dorisio

: daniel@o...

: www.odorisio-networks.com

: -----------------------------

: "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

: news:147484@a..._forms...

: :

: : I've actually seen that prob on VID.net...

: : but never 6, and I'm guessing thats what everyone's using...

: :

: : but VID.net does all the other "cool" stuff you talking about..

: : adds clost tags, puts your cursor in the right place, and still has

: : intelletype- which is the biggie in my mind...

: : It also formats you html really nice, save you hitting the space tab 4

: times

: : if you've got an if in a table in a row in a column ;)

: :

: :

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 8:45 AM

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : i dont use design view.. please dont put me that low!!!! gosh.. lol.. no

: but

: : really.. i dont touch the design button.. but it does add thoes

attributes

: : automatically.. does it for yall? i mean it wont if i put one attrib in

: : there.. like

: : <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla" name="blaimage" id="blaimage"

: : width="2" />

: : it wont touch it.. but if i do like:

: : <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla name="blaimage" id="blaimage"/> it

: : turns it into:

: : <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla" name="blaimage" id="blaimage" /

: : WIDTH="32" HEIGHT="32">

: : and that totally bombs the XHTML specs.. as well as ruins any javascript

: : rollovers i have..

: :

: : also have you guys checked out homesite??? woah.. it is pretty sweet.. i

: : have been looking at it.. (im still looking either for a fix for VID, or

a

: : new editor) and it automatically converts tags to lowercase, has lil

: : utilities that make coding much easier, nice colorcoding.. HTML tag

: : complete, the only thing is it dosnt support like the asp object code

: : complete.. which is a bummer.. and the (tools->references) as brent

likes

: : isnt there.. but i dunno..

: :

: : daniel

: :

: : --

: : -----------------------------

: : Daniel O'Dorisio

: : daniel@o...

: : www.odorisio-networks.com

: : -----------------------------

: : "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

: : news:147470@a..._forms...

: : :

: : : uh oh....

: : : Brent and Elliott agree...

: : : This is getting scary..

: : :

: : : daniel... you commited the cardnal sin.... and you're  very fortunate

: that

: : : the gods of asp only saw fit to punish you with img height and width

: : : properties.

: : : I've seen far worse punishments....

: : :

: : : Interdev is the best I've ever used... unless you use the design view-

: if

: : : you wanna do that, save yourself some money and buy frontpage...

: : :

: : : :o)

: : : Elliott

: : :

: : : -----Original Message-----

: : : From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: : : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 7:54 AM

: : : To: ASP Forms

: : : Subject: [asp_forms] RE: editor choice

: : :

: : :

: : : hello m8,

: : :

: : : I use visual interdev as well and its great so stick with it!

However,

: I

: : : never ever ever ever never ever ever etc etc use the Design tab to

build

: : my

: : : page.  I just enter the code using the Source tab and then right click

: and

: : : select the View source in browser option!

: : :

: : : My boss uses the Design tab and its like Frontpage!  Crap!

: : :

: : : If you use the Design tab then it will add all sorts of stuff for you

: : : automatically!

: : :

: : : I think thats your problem although I have to admit to being extremely

: : : surprised if you are using the design tab and quick view tab!

: : :

: : : Cheers

: : : Brent

: : :

: : :

: : : -----Original Message-----

: : : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: : : Sent: 18 February 2002 12:26

: : : To: ASP Forms

: : : Subject: [asp_forms] editor choice

: : :

: : :

: : : friends and fellow asp coders...

: : :

: : : i am using visual interdev since it was given to me.. but i am running

: : into

: : : a problem. it adds the width and height attributes to the images

: : : automatically, that is all fine and dandy until you are using

javascript

: : to

: : : change thoes images.. i mean i could write more script and have

: javascript

: : : change the width andheight attributes to reflect the image.. but i

dont

: : : really want to.. anywayz.. i mainly dont like the idea of VID changing

: my

: : : content on me.. that isnt a good editor.. so do any of yall know how

to

: : turn

: : : this "feature" off or if not.. what editors do yall use that you

like..

: i

: : : have tested homesite, and i think i like it!! but 100 bucks is 100

: bucks..

: : : then i also tried HTMLGate 2000 and that is ok.. except for the color

: : : coding.. i dont dig the all blue approach.. but what do you guys use

: that

: : : works and you like?

: : :

: : : thanks

: : : daniel

: : :

: : : --

: : : -----------------------------

: : : Daniel O'Dorisio

: : : daniel@o...

: : : www.odorisio-networks.com

: : : -----------------------------

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Message #56 by "Daniel" <daniel@o...> on Mon, 18 Feb 2002 11:12:35 -0500
your a good man elliott... i knew you would help brent become a believer...

lol.. XHTML and CSS... all the way.



daniel



--

-----------------------------

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daniel@o...

www.odorisio-networks.com

-----------------------------

"O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

news:147565@a..._forms...

:

: I'm saying that if you at least conform to the standards that all you have

: to do is add a

: <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN"

: "DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">

:

: right before the root <html> and your documents become XHTML...

: They can then be treated like any other XML document, because they're well

: formed.

: <IMG SRC="images/myimage.gif">

: becomes

: <img src="images/myimage.gif" />

:

: and so forth..

:

: any XML parser will handle a valid XHTML file-

: make it an XSL or CSS for whatever device you want to output and it (in

: theory) that simple...

:

: As far as putting your CSS in your head-

: If your going public whith your site- and your at all worried about things

: like search engine placement, you need to go the otehr way...

: A lot of bots only search so deep into your HTML- putting a lot in your

head

: increases the chances that the meat of your page won't ever get crawled.

:

: Also-

: Its good practice to keep the display of your document separted from the

: data as much as possible, see the comments about why XHTML for my

reasons..

:

: Heres what I do...

: <head>

: <!--my meta tags and such --?

: <script language="javascript>

: /* client side sniffer goes here */

: if(isIE4)

: document.write('<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="../IE4.css"

: />')

: if(isNS)

: document.write('<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="../NS.css"

/>')

: if(Generic)

: document.write('<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="../GEN.css"

: />')

: </script>

: </head>

:

:

: That way the vast majority of my display is totally separate from my

: content- the way HTML is "supposed" to be written...

:

: Take a look... I STRONGLY believe that all html should be handled this

: way--- its how it was ment to be from the get go..

:

: Then along came NS composer and FP and everyone for got that HTML is

: supposed to carry data- not display it...

: displayig is for CSS or XSL...

:

: anyway, i doubt anyone but brent is reading this (maybe Dan too)

: so I'll shut up..

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 10:49 AM

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: So your saying that HTML will become XHTML?

:

: That way when you get blind people in

: your company- all you need to do is make a new CSS and bingo! They can

talk

: to your app- or PDA's..

:

: Could you go into a little more depth here cos I'm the one whos being

stupid

: now!

:

: Interestingly enought, I don't use CSS anymore!  I add whatever styles I

: think

: is necessary in the <HEAD>.

:

: Cheers

: /Brent

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

: Sent: 18 February 2002 15:44

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: XHTML is the way to write your HMTL. That way when you get blind people in

: your company- all you need to do is make a new CSS and bingo! They can

talk

: to your app- or PDA's...

:

: I Quote

: http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/#why

:

: "Alternate ways of accessing the Internet are constantly being introduced.

: Some estimates indicate that by the year 2002, 75% of Internet document

: viewing will be carried out on these alternate platforms. The XHTML family

: is designed with general user agent interoperability in mind. Through a

new

: user agent and document profiling mechanism, servers, proxies, and user

: agents will be able to perform best effort content transformation.

: Ultimately, it will be possible to develop XHTML-conforming content that

is

: usable by any XHTML-conforming user agent"

:

: YES I KNOW ITS 2002, but STILL!!!

:

:

: with that in mind...

: go here...

: http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/#diffs

:

:

: :o)

: 15 foot jumper nuthin but da bottum....

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 10:38 AM

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: I've just waded through about 4 pages of jargon and found absolutely

: nothing of worthwhile from the infamouse w3 website!

:

: I must conclude then that I was either looking in the wrong place

: or that it is far to late or that it is far too late and I was looking

: in the wrong place!

:

: ....UCASE stays I'm afraid...but thanks for the warning...I will keep

: it in mind, I've stopped usnig the <CENTER> tags now - mostly because

: its not that hard to do the same job another way!

:

: cheers

: Brent

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: Sent: 18 February 2002 15:10

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: same here

:

: --

: -----------------------------

: Daniel O'Dorisio

: daniel@o...

: www.odorisio-networks.com

: -----------------------------

: "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

: news:147528@a..._forms...

: :

: : UCase tags are bad...

: : Get over them, the day will come when they won't work at all...

: :

: : I used to be the same way.

: : Then I started going to W3.org to check out stuff...

: : changed me right quick like..

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:53 AM

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : You've been watching too much Top Gun!

: :

: : /Brent

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

: : Sent: 18 February 2002 14:35

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : wasn't at work...

: : was at home.

: : We do have a softball league and We're having some picnic with a V-Ball

: : tourney...

: : V-Ball is my first love too- palyed that yesterday too...

: :

: : Getting hired here is like pulling teeth man- Government is cutting

: : funding.. boeing is laying off...

: : Kinda ugly- I'm a contractor too- got no promises that I get to stay-

: :

: : My Resume is up to date....

: :

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Locke, Darrell (FCS/SFC) [mailto:Darrell.Locke@g...]

: : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:31 AM

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : So who is going to hook me up in a job over there?? You guys have too

much

: : fun. B-ball, and stuff.  Sounds fun!

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: : Sent: February 18, 2002 10:30 AM

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: : lol

: :

: : The last time I played B-Ball was at a camp when I was hit by major

cramp.

: : I did a massive jump, hooked the ball into the net before falling on the

: : floor writhing around in pain....at least the ball went in!

: :

: : I hate cramp!  its a nightmare!

: :

: : /Brent

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

: : Sent: 18 February 2002 14:22

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : LOL...

: : we don't have another bout here, do we???

: :

: : I'm actually working today, so I can't write a new stored procedure to

: score

: : it...

: : but I'll gladly be a spectator...

: :

: : Dan,

: : I played som b-ball yesterday... my knee is killing me!

: : About body slammed some guy 'cause he kept camping out in the paint. I

: mean

: : geez, it 'aint NBA out there, but you've gotta move every once in a

while

: : right???

: : 15 seconds???

: :

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:15 AM

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : Right - own up Danny....I'm getting closer and it looks like your

: : on dangerous coding grounds!

: :

: : Your not dragging and dropping your images from explorer into InterDev

: : are YOU???

: :

: : If you are then try adding file instead

: :

: : Cheers

: : Brent

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: : Sent: 18 February 2002 14:02

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : yeah im using vid6.. i really like intelletype.. maybe ill use homesite

: for

: : html, and vid6 for asp.. since homesite is a lil cheaper then vid.net..

: : lol.. ouch.. im not looking forward to a forced upgrade.. but anywayz..

: was

: : there a solution for vid.net?

: :

: : daniel

: :

: : --

: : -----------------------------

: : Daniel O'Dorisio

: : daniel@o...

: : www.odorisio-networks.com

: : -----------------------------

: : "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

: : news:147484@a..._forms...

: : :

: : : I've actually seen that prob on VID.net...

: : : but never 6, and I'm guessing thats what everyone's using...

: : :

: : : but VID.net does all the other "cool" stuff you talking about..

: : : adds clost tags, puts your cursor in the right place, and still has

: : : intelletype- which is the biggie in my mind...

: : : It also formats you html really nice, save you hitting the space tab 4

: : times

: : : if you've got an if in a table in a row in a column ;)

: : :

: : :

: : :

: : : -----Original Message-----

: : : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: : : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 8:45 AM

: : : To: ASP Forms

: : : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: : :

: : :

: : : i dont use design view.. please dont put me that low!!!! gosh.. lol..

no

: : but

: : : really.. i dont touch the design button.. but it does add thoes

: attributes

: : : automatically.. does it for yall? i mean it wont if i put one attrib

in

: : : there.. like

: : : <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla" name="blaimage" id="blaimage"

: : : width="2" />

: : : it wont touch it.. but if i do like:

: : : <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla name="blaimage" id="blaimage"/>

it

: : : turns it into:

: : : <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla" name="blaimage" id="blaimage" /

: : : WIDTH="32" HEIGHT="32">

: : : and that totally bombs the XHTML specs.. as well as ruins any

javascript

: : : rollovers i have..

: : :

: : : also have you guys checked out homesite??? woah.. it is pretty sweet..

i

: : : have been looking at it.. (im still looking either for a fix for VID,

or

: a

: : : new editor) and it automatically converts tags to lowercase, has lil

: : : utilities that make coding much easier, nice colorcoding.. HTML tag

: : : complete, the only thing is it dosnt support like the asp object code

: : : complete.. which is a bummer.. and the (tools->references) as brent

: likes

: : : isnt there.. but i dunno..

: : :

: : : daniel

: : :

: : : --

: : : -----------------------------

: : : Daniel O'Dorisio

: : : daniel@o...

: : : www.odorisio-networks.com

: : : -----------------------------

: : : "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

: : : news:147470@a..._forms...

: : : :

: : : : uh oh....

: : : : Brent and Elliott agree...

: : : : This is getting scary..

: : : :

: : : : daniel... you commited the cardnal sin.... and you're  very

fortunate

: : that

: : : : the gods of asp only saw fit to punish you with img height and width

: : : : properties.

: : : : I've seen far worse punishments....

: : : :

: : : : Interdev is the best I've ever used... unless you use the design

view-

: : if

: : : : you wanna do that, save yourself some money and buy frontpage...

: : : :

: : : : :o)

: : : : Elliott

: : : :

: : : : -----Original Message-----

: : : : From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: : : : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 7:54 AM

: : : : To: ASP Forms

: : : : Subject: [asp_forms] RE: editor choice

: : : :

: : : :

: : : : hello m8,

: : : :

: : : : I use visual interdev as well and its great so stick with it!

: However,

: : I

: : : : never ever ever ever never ever ever etc etc use the Design tab to

: build

: : : my

: : : : page.  I just enter the code using the Source tab and then right

click

: : and

: : : : select the View source in browser option!

: : : :

: : : : My boss uses the Design tab and its like Frontpage!  Crap!

: : : :

: : : : If you use the Design tab then it will add all sorts of stuff for

you

: : : : automatically!

: : : :

: : : : I think thats your problem although I have to admit to being

extremely

: : : : surprised if you are using the design tab and quick view tab!

: : : :

: : : : Cheers

: : : : Brent

: : : :

: : : :

: : : : -----Original Message-----

: : : : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: : : : Sent: 18 February 2002 12:26

: : : : To: ASP Forms

: : : : Subject: [asp_forms] editor choice

: : : :

: : : :

: : : : friends and fellow asp coders...

: : : :

: : : : i am using visual interdev since it was given to me.. but i am

running

: : : into

: : : : a problem. it adds the width and height attributes to the images

: : : : automatically, that is all fine and dandy until you are using

: javascript

: : : to

: : : : change thoes images.. i mean i could write more script and have

: : javascript

: : : : change the width andheight attributes to reflect the image.. but i

: dont

: : : : really want to.. anywayz.. i mainly dont like the idea of VID

changing

: : my

: : : : content on me.. that isnt a good editor.. so do any of yall know how

: to

: : : turn

: : : : this "feature" off or if not.. what editors do yall use that you

: like..

: : i

: : : : have tested homesite, and i think i like it!! but 100 bucks is 100

: : bucks..

: : : : then i also tried HTMLGate 2000 and that is ok.. except for the

color

: : : : coding.. i dont dig the all blue approach.. but what do you guys use

: : that

: : : : works and you like?

: : : :

: : : : thanks

: : : : daniel

: : : :

: : : : --

: : : : -----------------------------

: : : : Daniel O'Dorisio

: : : : daniel@o...

: : : : www.odorisio-networks.com

: : : : -----------------------------

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Message #57 by "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> on Mon, 18 Feb 2002 11:35:55 -0500
yeah...

He listens if you give hime facts ;o)

otherwise- forget it...

I tried the just telling him "UCase is bad" but he wouldn't hear it... gave

him facts- and he listens...

Actually thats a good thing..



HTML Editors (FP, NSComposer, and even Interdev's Design view ;o) are, in my

mind, the downfall of HTML.

Editors make the mistake of adding the display to the content and screwing

up the HTML in the process.

If HTML was written as intended, Browsers would not have had to have been

"understanding" and figure out what the hell <b>H<i>i</b></i> means... (it

don't mean shiznany, but anyway).

Now, because browsers are written to accept all sorts of malformed html W3

had to come up with a whole new markup- that isn't even a new markup. Its

the same, except you have to write it properly...



The day an editor comes along that dynamically makes CSS or XSL as you go,

and links to that- thus keeping the content and display separate, thats the

day I'll use an editor. Until then, its notepad or VID Source view for me.



-----Original Message-----

From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 11:13 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





your a good man elliott... i knew you would help brent become a believer...

lol.. XHTML and CSS... all the way.



daniel



--

-----------------------------

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daniel@o...

www.odorisio-networks.com

-----------------------------

"O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

news:147565@a..._forms...

:

: I'm saying that if you at least conform to the standards that all you have

: to do is add a

: <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN"

: "DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">

:

: right before the root <html> and your documents become XHTML...

: They can then be treated like any other XML document, because they're well

: formed.

: <IMG SRC="images/myimage.gif">

: becomes

: <img src="images/myimage.gif" />

:

: and so forth..

:

: any XML parser will handle a valid XHTML file-

: make it an XSL or CSS for whatever device you want to output and it (in

: theory) that simple...

:

: As far as putting your CSS in your head-

: If your going public whith your site- and your at all worried about things

: like search engine placement, you need to go the otehr way...

: A lot of bots only search so deep into your HTML- putting a lot in your

head

: increases the chances that the meat of your page won't ever get crawled.

:

: Also-

: Its good practice to keep the display of your document separted from the

: data as much as possible, see the comments about why XHTML for my

reasons..

:

: Heres what I do...

: <head>

: <!--my meta tags and such --?

: <script language="javascript>

: /* client side sniffer goes here */

: if(isIE4)

: document.write('<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="../IE4.css"

: />')

: if(isNS)

: document.write('<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="../NS.css"

/>')

: if(Generic)

: document.write('<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="../GEN.css"

: />')

: </script>

: </head>

:

:

: That way the vast majority of my display is totally separate from my

: content- the way HTML is "supposed" to be written...

:

: Take a look... I STRONGLY believe that all html should be handled this

: way--- its how it was ment to be from the get go..

:

: Then along came NS composer and FP and everyone for got that HTML is

: supposed to carry data- not display it...

: displayig is for CSS or XSL...

:

: anyway, i doubt anyone but brent is reading this (maybe Dan too)

: so I'll shut up..

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 10:49 AM

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: So your saying that HTML will become XHTML?

:

: That way when you get blind people in

: your company- all you need to do is make a new CSS and bingo! They can

talk

: to your app- or PDA's..

:

: Could you go into a little more depth here cos I'm the one whos being

stupid

: now!

:

: Interestingly enought, I don't use CSS anymore!  I add whatever styles I

: think

: is necessary in the <HEAD>.

:

: Cheers

: /Brent

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

: Sent: 18 February 2002 15:44

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: XHTML is the way to write your HMTL. That way when you get blind people in

: your company- all you need to do is make a new CSS and bingo! They can

talk

: to your app- or PDA's...

:

: I Quote

: http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/#why

:

: "Alternate ways of accessing the Internet are constantly being introduced.

: Some estimates indicate that by the year 2002, 75% of Internet document

: viewing will be carried out on these alternate platforms. The XHTML family

: is designed with general user agent interoperability in mind. Through a

new

: user agent and document profiling mechanism, servers, proxies, and user

: agents will be able to perform best effort content transformation.

: Ultimately, it will be possible to develop XHTML-conforming content that

is

: usable by any XHTML-conforming user agent"

:

: YES I KNOW ITS 2002, but STILL!!!

:

:

: with that in mind...

: go here...

: http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/#diffs

:

:

: :o)

: 15 foot jumper nuthin but da bottum....

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 10:38 AM

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: I've just waded through about 4 pages of jargon and found absolutely

: nothing of worthwhile from the infamouse w3 website!

:

: I must conclude then that I was either looking in the wrong place

: or that it is far to late or that it is far too late and I was looking

: in the wrong place!

:

: ....UCASE stays I'm afraid...but thanks for the warning...I will keep

: it in mind, I've stopped usnig the <CENTER> tags now - mostly because

: its not that hard to do the same job another way!

:

: cheers

: Brent

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: Sent: 18 February 2002 15:10

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: same here

:

: --

: -----------------------------

: Daniel O'Dorisio

: daniel@o...

: www.odorisio-networks.com

: -----------------------------

: "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

: news:147528@a..._forms...

: :

: : UCase tags are bad...

: : Get over them, the day will come when they won't work at all...

: :

: : I used to be the same way.

: : Then I started going to W3.org to check out stuff...

: : changed me right quick like..

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:53 AM

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : You've been watching too much Top Gun!

: :

: : /Brent

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

: : Sent: 18 February 2002 14:35

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : wasn't at work...

: : was at home.

: : We do have a softball league and We're having some picnic with a V-Ball

: : tourney...

: : V-Ball is my first love too- palyed that yesterday too...

: :

: : Getting hired here is like pulling teeth man- Government is cutting

: : funding.. boeing is laying off...

: : Kinda ugly- I'm a contractor too- got no promises that I get to stay-

: :

: : My Resume is up to date....

: :

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Locke, Darrell (FCS/SFC) [mailto:Darrell.Locke@g...]

: : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:31 AM

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : So who is going to hook me up in a job over there?? You guys have too

much

: : fun. B-ball, and stuff.  Sounds fun!

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: : Sent: February 18, 2002 10:30 AM

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: : lol

: :

: : The last time I played B-Ball was at a camp when I was hit by major

cramp.

: : I did a massive jump, hooked the ball into the net before falling on the

: : floor writhing around in pain....at least the ball went in!

: :

: : I hate cramp!  its a nightmare!

: :

: : /Brent

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

: : Sent: 18 February 2002 14:22

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : LOL...

: : we don't have another bout here, do we???

: :

: : I'm actually working today, so I can't write a new stored procedure to

: score

: : it...

: : but I'll gladly be a spectator...

: :

: : Dan,

: : I played som b-ball yesterday... my knee is killing me!

: : About body slammed some guy 'cause he kept camping out in the paint. I

: mean

: : geez, it 'aint NBA out there, but you've gotta move every once in a

while

: : right???

: : 15 seconds???

: :

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:15 AM

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : Right - own up Danny....I'm getting closer and it looks like your

: : on dangerous coding grounds!

: :

: : Your not dragging and dropping your images from explorer into InterDev

: : are YOU???

: :

: : If you are then try adding file instead

: :

: : Cheers

: : Brent

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: : Sent: 18 February 2002 14:02

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : yeah im using vid6.. i really like intelletype.. maybe ill use homesite

: for

: : html, and vid6 for asp.. since homesite is a lil cheaper then vid.net..

: : lol.. ouch.. im not looking forward to a forced upgrade.. but anywayz..

: was

: : there a solution for vid.net?

: :

: : daniel

: :

: : --

: : -----------------------------

: : Daniel O'Dorisio

: : daniel@o...

: : www.odorisio-networks.com

: : -----------------------------

: : "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

: : news:147484@a..._forms...

: : :

: : : I've actually seen that prob on VID.net...

: : : but never 6, and I'm guessing thats what everyone's using...

: : :

: : : but VID.net does all the other "cool" stuff you talking about..

: : : adds clost tags, puts your cursor in the right place, and still has

: : : intelletype- which is the biggie in my mind...

: : : It also formats you html really nice, save you hitting the space tab 4

: : times

: : : if you've got an if in a table in a row in a column ;)

: : :

: : :

: : :

: : : -----Original Message-----

: : : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: : : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 8:45 AM

: : : To: ASP Forms

: : : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: : :

: : :

: : : i dont use design view.. please dont put me that low!!!! gosh.. lol..

no

: : but

: : : really.. i dont touch the design button.. but it does add thoes

: attributes

: : : automatically.. does it for yall? i mean it wont if i put one attrib

in

: : : there.. like

: : : <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla" name="blaimage" id="blaimage"

: : : width="2" />

: : : it wont touch it.. but if i do like:

: : : <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla name="blaimage" id="blaimage"/>

it

: : : turns it into:

: : : <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla" name="blaimage" id="blaimage" /

: : : WIDTH="32" HEIGHT="32">

: : : and that totally bombs the XHTML specs.. as well as ruins any

javascript

: : : rollovers i have..

: : :

: : : also have you guys checked out homesite??? woah.. it is pretty sweet..

i

: : : have been looking at it.. (im still looking either for a fix for VID,

or

: a

: : : new editor) and it automatically converts tags to lowercase, has lil

: : : utilities that make coding much easier, nice colorcoding.. HTML tag

: : : complete, the only thing is it dosnt support like the asp object code

: : : complete.. which is a bummer.. and the (tools->references) as brent

: likes

: : : isnt there.. but i dunno..

: : :

: : : daniel

: : :

: : : --

: : : -----------------------------

: : : Daniel O'Dorisio

: : : daniel@o...

: : : www.odorisio-networks.com

: : : -----------------------------

: : : "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

: : : news:147470@a..._forms...

: : : :

: : : : uh oh....

: : : : Brent and Elliott agree...

: : : : This is getting scary..

: : : :

: : : : daniel... you commited the cardnal sin.... and you're  very

fortunate

: : that

: : : : the gods of asp only saw fit to punish you with img height and width

: : : : properties.

: : : : I've seen far worse punishments....

: : : :

: : : : Interdev is the best I've ever used... unless you use the design

view-

: : if

: : : : you wanna do that, save yourself some money and buy frontpage...

: : : :

: : : : :o)

: : : : Elliott

: : : :

: : : : -----Original Message-----

: : : : From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: : : : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 7:54 AM

: : : : To: ASP Forms

: : : : Subject: [asp_forms] RE: editor choice

: : : :

: : : :

: : : : hello m8,

: : : :

: : : : I use visual interdev as well and its great so stick with it!

: However,

: : I

: : : : never ever ever ever never ever ever etc etc use the Design tab to

: build

: : : my

: : : : page.  I just enter the code using the Source tab and then right

click

: : and

: : : : select the View source in browser option!

: : : :

: : : : My boss uses the Design tab and its like Frontpage!  Crap!

: : : :

: : : : If you use the Design tab then it will add all sorts of stuff for

you

: : : : automatically!

: : : :

: : : : I think thats your problem although I have to admit to being

extremely

: : : : surprised if you are using the design tab and quick view tab!

: : : :

: : : : Cheers

: : : : Brent

: : : :

: : : :

: : : : -----Original Message-----

: : : : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: : : : Sent: 18 February 2002 12:26

: : : : To: ASP Forms

: : : : Subject: [asp_forms] editor choice

: : : :

: : : :

: : : : friends and fellow asp coders...

: : : :

: : : : i am using visual interdev since it was given to me.. but i am

running

: : : into

: : : : a problem. it adds the width and height attributes to the images

: : : : automatically, that is all fine and dandy until you are using

: javascript

: : : to

: : : : change thoes images.. i mean i could write more script and have

: : javascript

: : : : change the width andheight attributes to reflect the image.. but i

: dont

: : : : really want to.. anywayz.. i mainly dont like the idea of VID

changing

: : my

: : : : content on me.. that isnt a good editor.. so do any of yall know how

: to

: : : turn

: : : : this "feature" off or if not.. what editors do yall use that you

: like..

: : i

: : : : have tested homesite, and i think i like it!! but 100 bucks is 100

: : bucks..

: : : : then i also tried HTMLGate 2000 and that is ok.. except for the

color

: : : : coding.. i dont dig the all blue approach.. but what do you guys use

: : that

: : : : works and you like?

: : : :

: : : : thanks

: : : : daniel

: : : :

: : : : --

: : : : -----------------------------

: : : : Daniel O'Dorisio

: : : : daniel@o...

: : : : www.odorisio-networks.com

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Message #58 by Brent Latham <Brent2@w...> on Tue, 19 Feb 2002 08:26:50 -0000
So you think things like that below should be put into a CSS file instead?



<style type="text/css">

span.term { font-style: italic; color: rgb(0, 0, 192) }

code {

	color: green;

	font-family: monospace;

	font-weight: bold;

}





.bad  {

	border: solid red;

	border-width: 2px;

	margin-left: 0;

	margin-right: 5%;

	color: rgb(192, 101, 101);

}



img {

	color: white;

	border: none;

}



div.navbar { text-align: center; }

div.contents {

	background-color: rgb(204,204,255);

	padding: 0.5em;

	border: none;

	margin-right: 5%;

}

.tocline { list-style: none; }

table.exceptions { background-color: rgb(255,255,153); }

</style>



/Brent



-----Original Message-----

From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

Sent: 18 February 2002 16:04

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





I'm saying that if you at least conform to the standards that all you have

to do is add a 

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN"

"DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">



right before the root <html> and your documents become XHTML...

They can then be treated like any other XML document, because they're well

formed.

<IMG SRC="images/myimage.gif">

becomes 

<img src="images/myimage.gif" />



and so forth..



any XML parser will handle a valid XHTML file-

make it an XSL or CSS for whatever device you want to output and it (in

theory) that simple...



As far as putting your CSS in your head-

If your going public whith your site- and your at all worried about things

like search engine placement, you need to go the otehr way...

A lot of bots only search so deep into your HTML- putting a lot in your head

increases the chances that the meat of your page won't ever get crawled.



Also-

Its good practice to keep the display of your document separted from the

data as much as possible, see the comments about why XHTML for my reasons..



Heres what I do...

<head>

<!--my meta tags and such --?

<script language="javascript>

/* client side sniffer goes here */

if(isIE4)

document.write('<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="../IE4.css"

/>')

if(isNS)

document.write('<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="../NS.css" />')

if(Generic)

document.write('<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="../GEN.css"

/>')

</script>

</head>





That way the vast majority of my display is totally separate from my

content- the way HTML is "supposed" to be written...



Take a look... I STRONGLY believe that all html should be handled this

way--- its how it was ment to be from the get go..



Then along came NS composer and FP and everyone for got that HTML is

supposed to carry data- not display it...

displayig is for CSS or XSL...



anyway, i doubt anyone but brent is reading this (maybe Dan too) 

so I'll shut up..



-----Original Message-----

From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 10:49 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





So your saying that HTML will become XHTML?



That way when you get blind people in

your company- all you need to do is make a new CSS and bingo! They can talk

to your app- or PDA's..



Could you go into a little more depth here cos I'm the one whos being stupid

now!



Interestingly enought, I don't use CSS anymore!  I add whatever styles I

think

is necessary in the <HEAD>.



Cheers

/Brent



-----Original Message-----

From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

Sent: 18 February 2002 15:44

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





XHTML is the way to write your HMTL. That way when you get blind people in

your company- all you need to do is make a new CSS and bingo! They can talk

to your app- or PDA's...



I Quote

http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/#why



"Alternate ways of accessing the Internet are constantly being introduced.

Some estimates indicate that by the year 2002, 75% of Internet document

viewing will be carried out on these alternate platforms. The XHTML family

is designed with general user agent interoperability in mind. Through a new

user agent and document profiling mechanism, servers, proxies, and user

agents will be able to perform best effort content transformation.

Ultimately, it will be possible to develop XHTML-conforming content that is

usable by any XHTML-conforming user agent"



YES I KNOW ITS 2002, but STILL!!!





with that in mind...

go here...

http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/#diffs





:o)

15 foot jumper nuthin but da bottum....



-----Original Message-----

From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 10:38 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





I've just waded through about 4 pages of jargon and found absolutely

nothing of worthwhile from the infamouse w3 website!



I must conclude then that I was either looking in the wrong place

or that it is far to late or that it is far too late and I was looking

in the wrong place!



....UCASE stays I'm afraid...but thanks for the warning...I will keep

it in mind, I've stopped usnig the <CENTER> tags now - mostly because

its not that hard to do the same job another way!



cheers

Brent



-----Original Message-----

From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

Sent: 18 February 2002 15:10

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





same here



--

-----------------------------

Daniel O'Dorisio

daniel@o...

www.odorisio-networks.com

-----------------------------

"O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

news:147528@a..._forms...

:

: UCase tags are bad...

: Get over them, the day will come when they won't work at all...

:

: I used to be the same way.

: Then I started going to W3.org to check out stuff...

: changed me right quick like..

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:53 AM

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: You've been watching too much Top Gun!

:

: /Brent

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

: Sent: 18 February 2002 14:35

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: wasn't at work...

: was at home.

: We do have a softball league and We're having some picnic with a V-Ball

: tourney...

: V-Ball is my first love too- palyed that yesterday too...

:

: Getting hired here is like pulling teeth man- Government is cutting

: funding.. boeing is laying off...

: Kinda ugly- I'm a contractor too- got no promises that I get to stay-

:

: My Resume is up to date....

:

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Locke, Darrell (FCS/SFC) [mailto:Darrell.Locke@g...]

: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:31 AM

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: So who is going to hook me up in a job over there?? You guys have too much

: fun. B-ball, and stuff.  Sounds fun!

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: Sent: February 18, 2002 10:30 AM

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

: lol

:

: The last time I played B-Ball was at a camp when I was hit by major cramp.

: I did a massive jump, hooked the ball into the net before falling on the

: floor writhing around in pain....at least the ball went in!

:

: I hate cramp!  its a nightmare!

:

: /Brent

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

: Sent: 18 February 2002 14:22

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: LOL...

: we don't have another bout here, do we???

:

: I'm actually working today, so I can't write a new stored procedure to

score

: it...

: but I'll gladly be a spectator...

:

: Dan,

: I played som b-ball yesterday... my knee is killing me!

: About body slammed some guy 'cause he kept camping out in the paint. I

mean

: geez, it 'aint NBA out there, but you've gotta move every once in a while

: right???

: 15 seconds???

:

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:15 AM

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: Right - own up Danny....I'm getting closer and it looks like your

: on dangerous coding grounds!

:

: Your not dragging and dropping your images from explorer into InterDev

: are YOU???

:

: If you are then try adding file instead

:

: Cheers

: Brent

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: Sent: 18 February 2002 14:02

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: yeah im using vid6.. i really like intelletype.. maybe ill use homesite

for

: html, and vid6 for asp.. since homesite is a lil cheaper then vid.net..

: lol.. ouch.. im not looking forward to a forced upgrade.. but anywayz..

was

: there a solution for vid.net?

:

: daniel

:

: --

: -----------------------------

: Daniel O'Dorisio

: daniel@o...

: www.odorisio-networks.com

: -----------------------------

: "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

: news:147484@a..._forms...

: :

: : I've actually seen that prob on VID.net...

: : but never 6, and I'm guessing thats what everyone's using...

: :

: : but VID.net does all the other "cool" stuff you talking about..

: : adds clost tags, puts your cursor in the right place, and still has

: : intelletype- which is the biggie in my mind...

: : It also formats you html really nice, save you hitting the space tab 4

: times

: : if you've got an if in a table in a row in a column ;)

: :

: :

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 8:45 AM

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : i dont use design view.. please dont put me that low!!!! gosh.. lol.. no

: but

: : really.. i dont touch the design button.. but it does add thoes

attributes

: : automatically.. does it for yall? i mean it wont if i put one attrib in

: : there.. like

: : <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla" name="blaimage" id="blaimage"

: : width="2" />

: : it wont touch it.. but if i do like:

: : <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla name="blaimage" id="blaimage"/> it

: : turns it into:

: : <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla" name="blaimage" id="blaimage" /

: : WIDTH="32" HEIGHT="32">

: : and that totally bombs the XHTML specs.. as well as ruins any javascript

: : rollovers i have..

: :

: : also have you guys checked out homesite??? woah.. it is pretty sweet.. i

: : have been looking at it.. (im still looking either for a fix for VID, or

a

: : new editor) and it automatically converts tags to lowercase, has lil

: : utilities that make coding much easier, nice colorcoding.. HTML tag

: : complete, the only thing is it dosnt support like the asp object code

: : complete.. which is a bummer.. and the (tools->references) as brent

likes

: : isnt there.. but i dunno..

: :

: : daniel

: :

: : --

: : -----------------------------

: : Daniel O'Dorisio

: : daniel@o...

: : www.odorisio-networks.com

: : -----------------------------

: : "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

: : news:147470@a..._forms...

: : :

: : : uh oh....

: : : Brent and Elliott agree...

: : : This is getting scary..

: : :

: : : daniel... you commited the cardnal sin.... and you're  very fortunate

: that

: : : the gods of asp only saw fit to punish you with img height and width

: : : properties.

: : : I've seen far worse punishments....

: : :

: : : Interdev is the best I've ever used... unless you use the design view-

: if

: : : you wanna do that, save yourself some money and buy frontpage...

: : :

: : : :o)

: : : Elliott

: : :

: : : -----Original Message-----

: : : From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: : : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 7:54 AM

: : : To: ASP Forms

: : : Subject: [asp_forms] RE: editor choice

: : :

: : :

: : : hello m8,

: : :

: : : I use visual interdev as well and its great so stick with it!

However,

: I

: : : never ever ever ever never ever ever etc etc use the Design tab to

build

: : my

: : : page.  I just enter the code using the Source tab and then right click

: and

: : : select the View source in browser option!

: : :

: : : My boss uses the Design tab and its like Frontpage!  Crap!

: : :

: : : If you use the Design tab then it will add all sorts of stuff for you

: : : automatically!

: : :

: : : I think thats your problem although I have to admit to being extremely

: : : surprised if you are using the design tab and quick view tab!

: : :

: : : Cheers

: : : Brent

: : :

: : :

: : : -----Original Message-----

: : : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: : : Sent: 18 February 2002 12:26

: : : To: ASP Forms

: : : Subject: [asp_forms] editor choice

: : :

: : :

: : : friends and fellow asp coders...

: : :

: : : i am using visual interdev since it was given to me.. but i am running

: : into

: : : a problem. it adds the width and height attributes to the images

: : : automatically, that is all fine and dandy until you are using

javascript

: : to

: : : change thoes images.. i mean i could write more script and have

: javascript

: : : change the width andheight attributes to reflect the image.. but i

dont

: : : really want to.. anywayz.. i mainly dont like the idea of VID changing

: my

: : : content on me.. that isnt a good editor.. so do any of yall know how

to

: : turn

: : : this "feature" off or if not.. what editors do yall use that you

like..

: i

: : : have tested homesite, and i think i like it!! but 100 bucks is 100

: bucks..

: : : then i also tried HTMLGate 2000 and that is ok.. except for the color

: : : coding.. i dont dig the all blue approach.. but what do you guys use

: that

: : : works and you like?

: : :

: : : thanks

: : : daniel

: : :

: : : --

: : : -----------------------------

: : : Daniel O'Dorisio

: : : daniel@o...

: : : www.odorisio-networks.com

: : : -----------------------------

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Message #59 by Brent Latham <Brent2@w...> on Tue, 19 Feb 2002 08:42:31 -0000
you guys - blushes - your all kindness!



/Brent



-----Original Message-----

From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

Sent: 18 February 2002 16:36

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





yeah...

He listens if you give hime facts ;o)

otherwise- forget it...

I tried the just telling him "UCase is bad" but he wouldn't hear it... gave

him facts- and he listens...

Actually thats a good thing..



HTML Editors (FP, NSComposer, and even Interdev's Design view ;o) are, in my

mind, the downfall of HTML.

Editors make the mistake of adding the display to the content and screwing

up the HTML in the process.

If HTML was written as intended, Browsers would not have had to have been

"understanding" and figure out what the hell <b>H<i>i</b></i> means... (it

don't mean shiznany, but anyway).

Now, because browsers are written to accept all sorts of malformed html W3

had to come up with a whole new markup- that isn't even a new markup. Its

the same, except you have to write it properly...



The day an editor comes along that dynamically makes CSS or XSL as you go,

and links to that- thus keeping the content and display separate, thats the

day I'll use an editor. Until then, its notepad or VID Source view for me.



-----Original Message-----

From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 11:13 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





your a good man elliott... i knew you would help brent become a believer...

lol.. XHTML and CSS... all the way.



daniel



--

-----------------------------

Daniel O'Dorisio

daniel@o...

www.odorisio-networks.com

-----------------------------

"O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

news:147565@a..._forms...

:

: I'm saying that if you at least conform to the standards that all you have

: to do is add a

: <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN"

: "DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">

:

: right before the root <html> and your documents become XHTML...

: They can then be treated like any other XML document, because they're well

: formed.

: <IMG SRC="images/myimage.gif">

: becomes

: <img src="images/myimage.gif" />

:

: and so forth..

:

: any XML parser will handle a valid XHTML file-

: make it an XSL or CSS for whatever device you want to output and it (in

: theory) that simple...

:

: As far as putting your CSS in your head-

: If your going public whith your site- and your at all worried about things

: like search engine placement, you need to go the otehr way...

: A lot of bots only search so deep into your HTML- putting a lot in your

head

: increases the chances that the meat of your page won't ever get crawled.

:

: Also-

: Its good practice to keep the display of your document separted from the

: data as much as possible, see the comments about why XHTML for my

reasons..

:

: Heres what I do...

: <head>

: <!--my meta tags and such --?

: <script language="javascript>

: /* client side sniffer goes here */

: if(isIE4)

: document.write('<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="../IE4.css"

: />')

: if(isNS)

: document.write('<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="../NS.css"

/>')

: if(Generic)

: document.write('<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="../GEN.css"

: />')

: </script>

: </head>

:

:

: That way the vast majority of my display is totally separate from my

: content- the way HTML is "supposed" to be written...

:

: Take a look... I STRONGLY believe that all html should be handled this

: way--- its how it was ment to be from the get go..

:

: Then along came NS composer and FP and everyone for got that HTML is

: supposed to carry data- not display it...

: displayig is for CSS or XSL...

:

: anyway, i doubt anyone but brent is reading this (maybe Dan too)

: so I'll shut up..

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 10:49 AM

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: So your saying that HTML will become XHTML?

:

: That way when you get blind people in

: your company- all you need to do is make a new CSS and bingo! They can

talk

: to your app- or PDA's..

:

: Could you go into a little more depth here cos I'm the one whos being

stupid

: now!

:

: Interestingly enought, I don't use CSS anymore!  I add whatever styles I

: think

: is necessary in the <HEAD>.

:

: Cheers

: /Brent

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

: Sent: 18 February 2002 15:44

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: XHTML is the way to write your HMTL. That way when you get blind people in

: your company- all you need to do is make a new CSS and bingo! They can

talk

: to your app- or PDA's...

:

: I Quote

: http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/#why

:

: "Alternate ways of accessing the Internet are constantly being introduced.

: Some estimates indicate that by the year 2002, 75% of Internet document

: viewing will be carried out on these alternate platforms. The XHTML family

: is designed with general user agent interoperability in mind. Through a

new

: user agent and document profiling mechanism, servers, proxies, and user

: agents will be able to perform best effort content transformation.

: Ultimately, it will be possible to develop XHTML-conforming content that

is

: usable by any XHTML-conforming user agent"

:

: YES I KNOW ITS 2002, but STILL!!!

:

:

: with that in mind...

: go here...

: http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/#diffs

:

:

: :o)

: 15 foot jumper nuthin but da bottum....

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 10:38 AM

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: I've just waded through about 4 pages of jargon and found absolutely

: nothing of worthwhile from the infamouse w3 website!

:

: I must conclude then that I was either looking in the wrong place

: or that it is far to late or that it is far too late and I was looking

: in the wrong place!

:

: ....UCASE stays I'm afraid...but thanks for the warning...I will keep

: it in mind, I've stopped usnig the <CENTER> tags now - mostly because

: its not that hard to do the same job another way!

:

: cheers

: Brent

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: Sent: 18 February 2002 15:10

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: same here

:

: --

: -----------------------------

: Daniel O'Dorisio

: daniel@o...

: www.odorisio-networks.com

: -----------------------------

: "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

: news:147528@a..._forms...

: :

: : UCase tags are bad...

: : Get over them, the day will come when they won't work at all...

: :

: : I used to be the same way.

: : Then I started going to W3.org to check out stuff...

: : changed me right quick like..

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:53 AM

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : You've been watching too much Top Gun!

: :

: : /Brent

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

: : Sent: 18 February 2002 14:35

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : wasn't at work...

: : was at home.

: : We do have a softball league and We're having some picnic with a V-Ball

: : tourney...

: : V-Ball is my first love too- palyed that yesterday too...

: :

: : Getting hired here is like pulling teeth man- Government is cutting

: : funding.. boeing is laying off...

: : Kinda ugly- I'm a contractor too- got no promises that I get to stay-

: :

: : My Resume is up to date....

: :

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Locke, Darrell (FCS/SFC) [mailto:Darrell.Locke@g...]

: : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:31 AM

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : So who is going to hook me up in a job over there?? You guys have too

much

: : fun. B-ball, and stuff.  Sounds fun!

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: : Sent: February 18, 2002 10:30 AM

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: : lol

: :

: : The last time I played B-Ball was at a camp when I was hit by major

cramp.

: : I did a massive jump, hooked the ball into the net before falling on the

: : floor writhing around in pain....at least the ball went in!

: :

: : I hate cramp!  its a nightmare!

: :

: : /Brent

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

: : Sent: 18 February 2002 14:22

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : LOL...

: : we don't have another bout here, do we???

: :

: : I'm actually working today, so I can't write a new stored procedure to

: score

: : it...

: : but I'll gladly be a spectator...

: :

: : Dan,

: : I played som b-ball yesterday... my knee is killing me!

: : About body slammed some guy 'cause he kept camping out in the paint. I

: mean

: : geez, it 'aint NBA out there, but you've gotta move every once in a

while

: : right???

: : 15 seconds???

: :

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:15 AM

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : Right - own up Danny....I'm getting closer and it looks like your

: : on dangerous coding grounds!

: :

: : Your not dragging and dropping your images from explorer into InterDev

: : are YOU???

: :

: : If you are then try adding file instead

: :

: : Cheers

: : Brent

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: : Sent: 18 February 2002 14:02

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : yeah im using vid6.. i really like intelletype.. maybe ill use homesite

: for

: : html, and vid6 for asp.. since homesite is a lil cheaper then vid.net..

: : lol.. ouch.. im not looking forward to a forced upgrade.. but anywayz..

: was

: : there a solution for vid.net?

: :

: : daniel

: :

: : --

: : -----------------------------

: : Daniel O'Dorisio

: : daniel@o...

: : www.odorisio-networks.com

: : -----------------------------

: : "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

: : news:147484@a..._forms...

: : :

: : : I've actually seen that prob on VID.net...

: : : but never 6, and I'm guessing thats what everyone's using...

: : :

: : : but VID.net does all the other "cool" stuff you talking about..

: : : adds clost tags, puts your cursor in the right place, and still has

: : : intelletype- which is the biggie in my mind...

: : : It also formats you html really nice, save you hitting the space tab 4

: : times

: : : if you've got an if in a table in a row in a column ;)

: : :

: : :

: : :

: : : -----Original Message-----

: : : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: : : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 8:45 AM

: : : To: ASP Forms

: : : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: : :

: : :

: : : i dont use design view.. please dont put me that low!!!! gosh.. lol..

no

: : but

: : : really.. i dont touch the design button.. but it does add thoes

: attributes

: : : automatically.. does it for yall? i mean it wont if i put one attrib

in

: : : there.. like

: : : <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla" name="blaimage" id="blaimage"

: : : width="2" />

: : : it wont touch it.. but if i do like:

: : : <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla name="blaimage" id="blaimage"/>

it

: : : turns it into:

: : : <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla" name="blaimage" id="blaimage" /

: : : WIDTH="32" HEIGHT="32">

: : : and that totally bombs the XHTML specs.. as well as ruins any

javascript

: : : rollovers i have..

: : :

: : : also have you guys checked out homesite??? woah.. it is pretty sweet..

i

: : : have been looking at it.. (im still looking either for a fix for VID,

or

: a

: : : new editor) and it automatically converts tags to lowercase, has lil

: : : utilities that make coding much easier, nice colorcoding.. HTML tag

: : : complete, the only thing is it dosnt support like the asp object code

: : : complete.. which is a bummer.. and the (tools->references) as brent

: likes

: : : isnt there.. but i dunno..

: : :

: : : daniel

: : :

: : : --

: : : -----------------------------

: : : Daniel O'Dorisio

: : : daniel@o...

: : : www.odorisio-networks.com

: : : -----------------------------

: : : "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

: : : news:147470@a..._forms...

: : : :

: : : : uh oh....

: : : : Brent and Elliott agree...

: : : : This is getting scary..

: : : :

: : : : daniel... you commited the cardnal sin.... and you're  very

fortunate

: : that

: : : : the gods of asp only saw fit to punish you with img height and width

: : : : properties.

: : : : I've seen far worse punishments....

: : : :

: : : : Interdev is the best I've ever used... unless you use the design

view-

: : if

: : : : you wanna do that, save yourself some money and buy frontpage...

: : : :

: : : : :o)

: : : : Elliott

: : : :

: : : : -----Original Message-----

: : : : From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: : : : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 7:54 AM

: : : : To: ASP Forms

: : : : Subject: [asp_forms] RE: editor choice

: : : :

: : : :

: : : : hello m8,

: : : :

: : : : I use visual interdev as well and its great so stick with it!

: However,

: : I

: : : : never ever ever ever never ever ever etc etc use the Design tab to

: build

: : : my

: : : : page.  I just enter the code using the Source tab and then right

click

: : and

: : : : select the View source in browser option!

: : : :

: : : : My boss uses the Design tab and its like Frontpage!  Crap!

: : : :

: : : : If you use the Design tab then it will add all sorts of stuff for

you

: : : : automatically!

: : : :

: : : : I think thats your problem although I have to admit to being

extremely

: : : : surprised if you are using the design tab and quick view tab!

: : : :

: : : : Cheers

: : : : Brent

: : : :

: : : :

: : : : -----Original Message-----

: : : : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: : : : Sent: 18 February 2002 12:26

: : : : To: ASP Forms

: : : : Subject: [asp_forms] editor choice

: : : :

: : : :

: : : : friends and fellow asp coders...

: : : :

: : : : i am using visual interdev since it was given to me.. but i am

running

: : : into

: : : : a problem. it adds the width and height attributes to the images

: : : : automatically, that is all fine and dandy until you are using

: javascript

: : : to

: : : : change thoes images.. i mean i could write more script and have

: : javascript

: : : : change the width andheight attributes to reflect the image.. but i

: dont

: : : : really want to.. anywayz.. i mainly dont like the idea of VID

changing

: : my

: : : : content on me.. that isnt a good editor.. so do any of yall know how

: to

: : : turn

: : : : this "feature" off or if not.. what editors do yall use that you

: like..

: : i

: : : : have tested homesite, and i think i like it!! but 100 bucks is 100

: : bucks..

: : : : then i also tried HTMLGate 2000 and that is ok.. except for the

color

: : : : coding.. i dont dig the all blue approach.. but what do you guys use

: : that

: : : : works and you like?

: : : :

: : : : thanks

: : : : daniel

: : : :

: : : : --

: : : : -----------------------------

: : : : Daniel O'Dorisio

: : : : daniel@o...

: : : : www.odorisio-networks.com

: : : : -----------------------------

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Message #60 by "Daniel" <daniel@o...> on Tue, 19 Feb 2002 06:13:41 -0500
yeah.. have the css load one time rather then having extra code in every

page.. and its easier.. i know you can just cut and paste.. but all you have

to cut and paste is a lil stylesheet link.



daniel



--

-----------------------------

Daniel O'Dorisio

daniel@o...

www.odorisio-networks.com

-----------------------------

"Brent Latham" <Brent2@w...> wrote in message

news:147791@a..._forms...

:

: So you think things like that below should be put into a CSS file instead?

:

: <style type="text/css">

: span.term { font-style: italic; color: rgb(0, 0, 192) }

: code {

: color: green;

: font-family: monospace;

: font-weight: bold;

: }

:

:

: .bad  {

: border: solid red;

: border-width: 2px;

: margin-left: 0;

: margin-right: 5%;

: color: rgb(192, 101, 101);

: }

:

: img {

: color: white;

: border: none;

: }

:

: div.navbar { text-align: center; }

: div.contents {

: background-color: rgb(204,204,255);

: padding: 0.5em;

: border: none;

: margin-right: 5%;

: }

: .tocline { list-style: none; }

: table.exceptions { background-color: rgb(255,255,153); }

: </style>

:

: /Brent

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

: Sent: 18 February 2002 16:04

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: I'm saying that if you at least conform to the standards that all you have

: to do is add a

: <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN"

: "DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">

:

: right before the root <html> and your documents become XHTML...

: They can then be treated like any other XML document, because they're well

: formed.

: <IMG SRC="images/myimage.gif">

: becomes

: <img src="images/myimage.gif" />

:

: and so forth..

:

: any XML parser will handle a valid XHTML file-

: make it an XSL or CSS for whatever device you want to output and it (in

: theory) that simple...

:

: As far as putting your CSS in your head-

: If your going public whith your site- and your at all worried about things

: like search engine placement, you need to go the otehr way...

: A lot of bots only search so deep into your HTML- putting a lot in your

head

: increases the chances that the meat of your page won't ever get crawled.

:

: Also-

: Its good practice to keep the display of your document separted from the

: data as much as possible, see the comments about why XHTML for my

reasons..

:

: Heres what I do...

: <head>

: <!--my meta tags and such --?

: <script language="javascript>

: /* client side sniffer goes here */

: if(isIE4)

: document.write('<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="../IE4.css"

: />')

: if(isNS)

: document.write('<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="../NS.css"

/>')

: if(Generic)

: document.write('<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="../GEN.css"

: />')

: </script>

: </head>

:

:

: That way the vast majority of my display is totally separate from my

: content- the way HTML is "supposed" to be written...

:

: Take a look... I STRONGLY believe that all html should be handled this

: way--- its how it was ment to be from the get go..

:

: Then along came NS composer and FP and everyone for got that HTML is

: supposed to carry data- not display it...

: displayig is for CSS or XSL...

:

: anyway, i doubt anyone but brent is reading this (maybe Dan too)

: so I'll shut up..

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 10:49 AM

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: So your saying that HTML will become XHTML?

:

: That way when you get blind people in

: your company- all you need to do is make a new CSS and bingo! They can

talk

: to your app- or PDA's..

:

: Could you go into a little more depth here cos I'm the one whos being

stupid

: now!

:

: Interestingly enought, I don't use CSS anymore!  I add whatever styles I

: think

: is necessary in the <HEAD>.

:

: Cheers

: /Brent

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

: Sent: 18 February 2002 15:44

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: XHTML is the way to write your HMTL. That way when you get blind people in

: your company- all you need to do is make a new CSS and bingo! They can

talk

: to your app- or PDA's...

:

: I Quote

: http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/#why

:

: "Alternate ways of accessing the Internet are constantly being introduced.

: Some estimates indicate that by the year 2002, 75% of Internet document

: viewing will be carried out on these alternate platforms. The XHTML family

: is designed with general user agent interoperability in mind. Through a

new

: user agent and document profiling mechanism, servers, proxies, and user

: agents will be able to perform best effort content transformation.

: Ultimately, it will be possible to develop XHTML-conforming content that

is

: usable by any XHTML-conforming user agent"

:

: YES I KNOW ITS 2002, but STILL!!!

:

:

: with that in mind...

: go here...

: http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/#diffs

:

:

: :o)

: 15 foot jumper nuthin but da bottum....

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 10:38 AM

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: I've just waded through about 4 pages of jargon and found absolutely

: nothing of worthwhile from the infamouse w3 website!

:

: I must conclude then that I was either looking in the wrong place

: or that it is far to late or that it is far too late and I was looking

: in the wrong place!

:

: ....UCASE stays I'm afraid...but thanks for the warning...I will keep

: it in mind, I've stopped usnig the <CENTER> tags now - mostly because

: its not that hard to do the same job another way!

:

: cheers

: Brent

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: Sent: 18 February 2002 15:10

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: same here

:

: --

: -----------------------------

: Daniel O'Dorisio

: daniel@o...

: www.odorisio-networks.com

: -----------------------------

: "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

: news:147528@a..._forms...

: :

: : UCase tags are bad...

: : Get over them, the day will come when they won't work at all...

: :

: : I used to be the same way.

: : Then I started going to W3.org to check out stuff...

: : changed me right quick like..

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:53 AM

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : You've been watching too much Top Gun!

: :

: : /Brent

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

: : Sent: 18 February 2002 14:35

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : wasn't at work...

: : was at home.

: : We do have a softball league and We're having some picnic with a V-Ball

: : tourney...

: : V-Ball is my first love too- palyed that yesterday too...

: :

: : Getting hired here is like pulling teeth man- Government is cutting

: : funding.. boeing is laying off...

: : Kinda ugly- I'm a contractor too- got no promises that I get to stay-

: :

: : My Resume is up to date....

: :

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Locke, Darrell (FCS/SFC) [mailto:Darrell.Locke@g...]

: : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:31 AM

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : So who is going to hook me up in a job over there?? You guys have too

much

: : fun. B-ball, and stuff.  Sounds fun!

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: : Sent: February 18, 2002 10:30 AM

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: : lol

: :

: : The last time I played B-Ball was at a camp when I was hit by major

cramp.

: : I did a massive jump, hooked the ball into the net before falling on the

: : floor writhing around in pain....at least the ball went in!

: :

: : I hate cramp!  its a nightmare!

: :

: : /Brent

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

: : Sent: 18 February 2002 14:22

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : LOL...

: : we don't have another bout here, do we???

: :

: : I'm actually working today, so I can't write a new stored procedure to

: score

: : it...

: : but I'll gladly be a spectator...

: :

: : Dan,

: : I played som b-ball yesterday... my knee is killing me!

: : About body slammed some guy 'cause he kept camping out in the paint. I

: mean

: : geez, it 'aint NBA out there, but you've gotta move every once in a

while

: : right???

: : 15 seconds???

: :

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:15 AM

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : Right - own up Danny....I'm getting closer and it looks like your

: : on dangerous coding grounds!

: :

: : Your not dragging and dropping your images from explorer into InterDev

: : are YOU???

: :

: : If you are then try adding file instead

: :

: : Cheers

: : Brent

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: : Sent: 18 February 2002 14:02

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : yeah im using vid6.. i really like intelletype.. maybe ill use homesite

: for

: : html, and vid6 for asp.. since homesite is a lil cheaper then vid.net..

: : lol.. ouch.. im not looking forward to a forced upgrade.. but anywayz..

: was

: : there a solution for vid.net?

: :

: : daniel

: :

: : --

: : -----------------------------

: : Daniel O'Dorisio

: : daniel@o...

: : www.odorisio-networks.com

: : -----------------------------

: : "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

: : news:147484@a..._forms...

: : :

: : : I've actually seen that prob on VID.net...

: : : but never 6, and I'm guessing thats what everyone's using...

: : :

: : : but VID.net does all the other "cool" stuff you talking about..

: : : adds clost tags, puts your cursor in the right place, and still has

: : : intelletype- which is the biggie in my mind...

: : : It also formats you html really nice, save you hitting the space tab 4

: : times

: : : if you've got an if in a table in a row in a column ;)

: : :

: : :

: : :

: : : -----Original Message-----

: : : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: : : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 8:45 AM

: : : To: ASP Forms

: : : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: : :

: : :

: : : i dont use design view.. please dont put me that low!!!! gosh.. lol..

no

: : but

: : : really.. i dont touch the design button.. but it does add thoes

: attributes

: : : automatically.. does it for yall? i mean it wont if i put one attrib

in

: : : there.. like

: : : <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla" name="blaimage" id="blaimage"

: : : width="2" />

: : : it wont touch it.. but if i do like:

: : : <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla name="blaimage" id="blaimage"/>

it

: : : turns it into:

: : : <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla" name="blaimage" id="blaimage" /

: : : WIDTH="32" HEIGHT="32">

: : : and that totally bombs the XHTML specs.. as well as ruins any

javascript

: : : rollovers i have..

: : :

: : : also have you guys checked out homesite??? woah.. it is pretty sweet..

i

: : : have been looking at it.. (im still looking either for a fix for VID,

or

: a

: : : new editor) and it automatically converts tags to lowercase, has lil

: : : utilities that make coding much easier, nice colorcoding.. HTML tag

: : : complete, the only thing is it dosnt support like the asp object code

: : : complete.. which is a bummer.. and the (tools->references) as brent

: likes

: : : isnt there.. but i dunno..

: : :

: : : daniel

: : :

: : : --

: : : -----------------------------

: : : Daniel O'Dorisio

: : : daniel@o...

: : : www.odorisio-networks.com

: : : -----------------------------

: : : "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

: : : news:147470@a..._forms...

: : : :

: : : : uh oh....

: : : : Brent and Elliott agree...

: : : : This is getting scary..

: : : :

: : : : daniel... you commited the cardnal sin.... and you're  very

fortunate

: : that

: : : : the gods of asp only saw fit to punish you with img height and width

: : : : properties.

: : : : I've seen far worse punishments....

: : : :

: : : : Interdev is the best I've ever used... unless you use the design

view-

: : if

: : : : you wanna do that, save yourself some money and buy frontpage...

: : : :

: : : : :o)

: : : : Elliott

: : : :

: : : : -----Original Message-----

: : : : From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: : : : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 7:54 AM

: : : : To: ASP Forms

: : : : Subject: [asp_forms] RE: editor choice

: : : :

: : : :

: : : : hello m8,

: : : :

: : : : I use visual interdev as well and its great so stick with it!

: However,

: : I

: : : : never ever ever ever never ever ever etc etc use the Design tab to

: build

: : : my

: : : : page.  I just enter the code using the Source tab and then right

click

: : and

: : : : select the View source in browser option!

: : : :

: : : : My boss uses the Design tab and its like Frontpage!  Crap!

: : : :

: : : : If you use the Design tab then it will add all sorts of stuff for

you

: : : : automatically!

: : : :

: : : : I think thats your problem although I have to admit to being

extremely

: : : : surprised if you are using the design tab and quick view tab!

: : : :

: : : : Cheers

: : : : Brent

: : : :

: : : :

: : : : -----Original Message-----

: : : : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: : : : Sent: 18 February 2002 12:26

: : : : To: ASP Forms

: : : : Subject: [asp_forms] editor choice

: : : :

: : : :

: : : : friends and fellow asp coders...

: : : :

: : : : i am using visual interdev since it was given to me.. but i am

running

: : : into

: : : : a problem. it adds the width and height attributes to the images

: : : : automatically, that is all fine and dandy until you are using

: javascript

: : : to

: : : : change thoes images.. i mean i could write more script and have

: : javascript

: : : : change the width andheight attributes to reflect the image.. but i

: dont

: : : : really want to.. anywayz.. i mainly dont like the idea of VID

changing

: : my

: : : : content on me.. that isnt a good editor.. so do any of yall know how

: to

: : : turn

: : : : this "feature" off or if not.. what editors do yall use that you

: like..

: : i

: : : : have tested homesite, and i think i like it!! but 100 bucks is 100

: : bucks..

: : : : then i also tried HTMLGate 2000 and that is ok.. except for the

color

: : : : coding.. i dont dig the all blue approach.. but what do you guys use

: : that

: : : : works and you like?

: : : :

: : : : thanks

: : : : daniel

: : : :

: : : : --

: : : : -----------------------------

: : : : Daniel O'Dorisio

: : : : daniel@o...

: : : : www.odorisio-networks.com

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Message #61 by Brent Latham <Brent2@w...> on Tue, 19 Feb 2002 11:27:33 -0000
lol - Well done danny :)



I copied and pasted that code from the w3 site itself :)



I figure if they still use it then its okay :P



a part from that my HTML is changing from UCASE to lcase :(



I will start appending the new line - 

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN"

"DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">



at the top of my page....thankfully everything else stays the same!



I guess the only other thing I need to look at then is the xln forms!



life changes...and so does code!



/Brent



-----Original Message-----

From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

Sent: 19 February 2002 11:14

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





yeah.. have the css load one time rather then having extra code in every

page.. and its easier.. i know you can just cut and paste.. but all you have

to cut and paste is a lil stylesheet link.



daniel



--

-----------------------------

Daniel O'Dorisio

daniel@o...

www.odorisio-networks.com

-----------------------------

"Brent Latham" <Brent2@w...> wrote in message

news:147791@a..._forms...

:

: So you think things like that below should be put into a CSS file instead?

:

: <style type="text/css">

: span.term { font-style: italic; color: rgb(0, 0, 192) }

: code {

: color: green;

: font-family: monospace;

: font-weight: bold;

: }

:

:

: .bad  {

: border: solid red;

: border-width: 2px;

: margin-left: 0;

: margin-right: 5%;

: color: rgb(192, 101, 101);

: }

:

: img {

: color: white;

: border: none;

: }

:

: div.navbar { text-align: center; }

: div.contents {

: background-color: rgb(204,204,255);

: padding: 0.5em;

: border: none;

: margin-right: 5%;

: }

: .tocline { list-style: none; }

: table.exceptions { background-color: rgb(255,255,153); }

: </style>

:

: /Brent

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

: Sent: 18 February 2002 16:04

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: I'm saying that if you at least conform to the standards that all you have

: to do is add a

: <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN"

: "DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">

:

: right before the root <html> and your documents become XHTML...

: They can then be treated like any other XML document, because they're well

: formed.

: <IMG SRC="images/myimage.gif">

: becomes

: <img src="images/myimage.gif" />

:

: and so forth..

:

: any XML parser will handle a valid XHTML file-

: make it an XSL or CSS for whatever device you want to output and it (in

: theory) that simple...

:

: As far as putting your CSS in your head-

: If your going public whith your site- and your at all worried about things

: like search engine placement, you need to go the otehr way...

: A lot of bots only search so deep into your HTML- putting a lot in your

head

: increases the chances that the meat of your page won't ever get crawled.

:

: Also-

: Its good practice to keep the display of your document separted from the

: data as much as possible, see the comments about why XHTML for my

reasons..

:

: Heres what I do...

: <head>

: <!--my meta tags and such --?

: <script language="javascript>

: /* client side sniffer goes here */

: if(isIE4)

: document.write('<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="../IE4.css"

: />')

: if(isNS)

: document.write('<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="../NS.css"

/>')

: if(Generic)

: document.write('<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="../GEN.css"

: />')

: </script>

: </head>

:

:

: That way the vast majority of my display is totally separate from my

: content- the way HTML is "supposed" to be written...

:

: Take a look... I STRONGLY believe that all html should be handled this

: way--- its how it was ment to be from the get go..

:

: Then along came NS composer and FP and everyone for got that HTML is

: supposed to carry data- not display it...

: displayig is for CSS or XSL...

:

: anyway, i doubt anyone but brent is reading this (maybe Dan too)

: so I'll shut up..

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 10:49 AM

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: So your saying that HTML will become XHTML?

:

: That way when you get blind people in

: your company- all you need to do is make a new CSS and bingo! They can

talk

: to your app- or PDA's..

:

: Could you go into a little more depth here cos I'm the one whos being

stupid

: now!

:

: Interestingly enought, I don't use CSS anymore!  I add whatever styles I

: think

: is necessary in the <HEAD>.

:

: Cheers

: /Brent

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

: Sent: 18 February 2002 15:44

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: XHTML is the way to write your HMTL. That way when you get blind people in

: your company- all you need to do is make a new CSS and bingo! They can

talk

: to your app- or PDA's...

:

: I Quote

: http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/#why

:

: "Alternate ways of accessing the Internet are constantly being introduced.

: Some estimates indicate that by the year 2002, 75% of Internet document

: viewing will be carried out on these alternate platforms. The XHTML family

: is designed with general user agent interoperability in mind. Through a

new

: user agent and document profiling mechanism, servers, proxies, and user

: agents will be able to perform best effort content transformation.

: Ultimately, it will be possible to develop XHTML-conforming content that

is

: usable by any XHTML-conforming user agent"

:

: YES I KNOW ITS 2002, but STILL!!!

:

:

: with that in mind...

: go here...

: http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/#diffs

:

:

: :o)

: 15 foot jumper nuthin but da bottum....

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 10:38 AM

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: I've just waded through about 4 pages of jargon and found absolutely

: nothing of worthwhile from the infamouse w3 website!

:

: I must conclude then that I was either looking in the wrong place

: or that it is far to late or that it is far too late and I was looking

: in the wrong place!

:

: ....UCASE stays I'm afraid...but thanks for the warning...I will keep

: it in mind, I've stopped usnig the <CENTER> tags now - mostly because

: its not that hard to do the same job another way!

:

: cheers

: Brent

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: Sent: 18 February 2002 15:10

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: same here

:

: --

: -----------------------------

: Daniel O'Dorisio

: daniel@o...

: www.odorisio-networks.com

: -----------------------------

: "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

: news:147528@a..._forms...

: :

: : UCase tags are bad...

: : Get over them, the day will come when they won't work at all...

: :

: : I used to be the same way.

: : Then I started going to W3.org to check out stuff...

: : changed me right quick like..

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:53 AM

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : You've been watching too much Top Gun!

: :

: : /Brent

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

: : Sent: 18 February 2002 14:35

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : wasn't at work...

: : was at home.

: : We do have a softball league and We're having some picnic with a V-Ball

: : tourney...

: : V-Ball is my first love too- palyed that yesterday too...

: :

: : Getting hired here is like pulling teeth man- Government is cutting

: : funding.. boeing is laying off...

: : Kinda ugly- I'm a contractor too- got no promises that I get to stay-

: :

: : My Resume is up to date....

: :

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Locke, Darrell (FCS/SFC) [mailto:Darrell.Locke@g...]

: : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:31 AM

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : So who is going to hook me up in a job over there?? You guys have too

much

: : fun. B-ball, and stuff.  Sounds fun!

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: : Sent: February 18, 2002 10:30 AM

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: : lol

: :

: : The last time I played B-Ball was at a camp when I was hit by major

cramp.

: : I did a massive jump, hooked the ball into the net before falling on the

: : floor writhing around in pain....at least the ball went in!

: :

: : I hate cramp!  its a nightmare!

: :

: : /Brent

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

: : Sent: 18 February 2002 14:22

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : LOL...

: : we don't have another bout here, do we???

: :

: : I'm actually working today, so I can't write a new stored procedure to

: score

: : it...

: : but I'll gladly be a spectator...

: :

: : Dan,

: : I played som b-ball yesterday... my knee is killing me!

: : About body slammed some guy 'cause he kept camping out in the paint. I

: mean

: : geez, it 'aint NBA out there, but you've gotta move every once in a

while

: : right???

: : 15 seconds???

: :

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:15 AM

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : Right - own up Danny....I'm getting closer and it looks like your

: : on dangerous coding grounds!

: :

: : Your not dragging and dropping your images from explorer into InterDev

: : are YOU???

: :

: : If you are then try adding file instead

: :

: : Cheers

: : Brent

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: : Sent: 18 February 2002 14:02

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : yeah im using vid6.. i really like intelletype.. maybe ill use homesite

: for

: : html, and vid6 for asp.. since homesite is a lil cheaper then vid.net..

: : lol.. ouch.. im not looking forward to a forced upgrade.. but anywayz..

: was

: : there a solution for vid.net?

: :

: : daniel

: :

: : --

: : -----------------------------

: : Daniel O'Dorisio

: : daniel@o...

: : www.odorisio-networks.com

: : -----------------------------

: : "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

: : news:147484@a..._forms...

: : :

: : : I've actually seen that prob on VID.net...

: : : but never 6, and I'm guessing thats what everyone's using...

: : :

: : : but VID.net does all the other "cool" stuff you talking about..

: : : adds clost tags, puts your cursor in the right place, and still has

: : : intelletype- which is the biggie in my mind...

: : : It also formats you html really nice, save you hitting the space tab 4

: : times

: : : if you've got an if in a table in a row in a column ;)

: : :

: : :

: : :

: : : -----Original Message-----

: : : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: : : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 8:45 AM

: : : To: ASP Forms

: : : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: : :

: : :

: : : i dont use design view.. please dont put me that low!!!! gosh.. lol..

no

: : but

: : : really.. i dont touch the design button.. but it does add thoes

: attributes

: : : automatically.. does it for yall? i mean it wont if i put one attrib

in

: : : there.. like

: : : <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla" name="blaimage" id="blaimage"

: : : width="2" />

: : : it wont touch it.. but if i do like:

: : : <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla name="blaimage" id="blaimage"/>

it

: : : turns it into:

: : : <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla" name="blaimage" id="blaimage" /

: : : WIDTH="32" HEIGHT="32">

: : : and that totally bombs the XHTML specs.. as well as ruins any

javascript

: : : rollovers i have..

: : :

: : : also have you guys checked out homesite??? woah.. it is pretty sweet..

i

: : : have been looking at it.. (im still looking either for a fix for VID,

or

: a

: : : new editor) and it automatically converts tags to lowercase, has lil

: : : utilities that make coding much easier, nice colorcoding.. HTML tag

: : : complete, the only thing is it dosnt support like the asp object code

: : : complete.. which is a bummer.. and the (tools->references) as brent

: likes

: : : isnt there.. but i dunno..

: : :

: : : daniel

: : :

: : : --

: : : -----------------------------

: : : Daniel O'Dorisio

: : : daniel@o...

: : : www.odorisio-networks.com

: : : -----------------------------

: : : "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

: : : news:147470@a..._forms...

: : : :

: : : : uh oh....

: : : : Brent and Elliott agree...

: : : : This is getting scary..

: : : :

: : : : daniel... you commited the cardnal sin.... and you're  very

fortunate

: : that

: : : : the gods of asp only saw fit to punish you with img height and width

: : : : properties.

: : : : I've seen far worse punishments....

: : : :

: : : : Interdev is the best I've ever used... unless you use the design

view-

: : if

: : : : you wanna do that, save yourself some money and buy frontpage...

: : : :

: : : : :o)

: : : : Elliott

: : : :

: : : : -----Original Message-----

: : : : From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: : : : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 7:54 AM

: : : : To: ASP Forms

: : : : Subject: [asp_forms] RE: editor choice

: : : :

: : : :

: : : : hello m8,

: : : :

: : : : I use visual interdev as well and its great so stick with it!

: However,

: : I

: : : : never ever ever ever never ever ever etc etc use the Design tab to

: build

: : : my

: : : : page.  I just enter the code using the Source tab and then right

click

: : and

: : : : select the View source in browser option!

: : : :

: : : : My boss uses the Design tab and its like Frontpage!  Crap!

: : : :

: : : : If you use the Design tab then it will add all sorts of stuff for

you

: : : : automatically!

: : : :

: : : : I think thats your problem although I have to admit to being

extremely

: : : : surprised if you are using the design tab and quick view tab!

: : : :

: : : : Cheers

: : : : Brent

: : : :

: : : :

: : : : -----Original Message-----

: : : : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: : : : Sent: 18 February 2002 12:26

: : : : To: ASP Forms

: : : : Subject: [asp_forms] editor choice

: : : :

: : : :

: : : : friends and fellow asp coders...

: : : :

: : : : i am using visual interdev since it was given to me.. but i am

running

: : : into

: : : : a problem. it adds the width and height attributes to the images

: : : : automatically, that is all fine and dandy until you are using

: javascript

: : : to

: : : : change thoes images.. i mean i could write more script and have

: : javascript

: : : : change the width andheight attributes to reflect the image.. but i

: dont

: : : : really want to.. anywayz.. i mainly dont like the idea of VID

changing

: : my

: : : : content on me.. that isnt a good editor.. so do any of yall know how

: to

: : : turn

: : : : this "feature" off or if not.. what editors do yall use that you

: like..

: : i

: : : : have tested homesite, and i think i like it!! but 100 bucks is 100

: : bucks..

: : : : then i also tried HTMLGate 2000 and that is ok.. except for the

color

: : : : coding.. i dont dig the all blue approach.. but what do you guys use

: : that

: : : : works and you like?

: : : :

: : : : thanks

: : : : daniel

: : : :

: : : : --

: : : : -----------------------------

: : : : Daniel O'Dorisio

: : : : daniel@o...

: : : : www.odorisio-networks.com

: : : : -----------------------------

: : : :

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Message #62 by "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> on Tue, 19 Feb 2002 06:59:01 -0500
yep... 

right...

and the choir sings!!!



-----Original Message-----

From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 6:14 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





yeah.. have the css load one time rather then having extra code in every

page.. and its easier.. i know you can just cut and paste.. but all you have

to cut and paste is a lil stylesheet link.



daniel



--

-----------------------------

Daniel O'Dorisio

daniel@o...

www.odorisio-networks.com

-----------------------------

"Brent Latham" <Brent2@w...> wrote in message

news:147791@a..._forms...

:

: So you think things like that below should be put into a CSS file instead?

:

: <style type="text/css">

: span.term { font-style: italic; color: rgb(0, 0, 192) }

: code {

: color: green;

: font-family: monospace;

: font-weight: bold;

: }

:

:

: .bad  {

: border: solid red;

: border-width: 2px;

: margin-left: 0;

: margin-right: 5%;

: color: rgb(192, 101, 101);

: }

:

: img {

: color: white;

: border: none;

: }

:

: div.navbar { text-align: center; }

: div.contents {

: background-color: rgb(204,204,255);

: padding: 0.5em;

: border: none;

: margin-right: 5%;

: }

: .tocline { list-style: none; }

: table.exceptions { background-color: rgb(255,255,153); }

: </style>

:

: /Brent

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

: Sent: 18 February 2002 16:04

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: I'm saying that if you at least conform to the standards that all you have

: to do is add a

: <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN"

: "DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">

:

: right before the root <html> and your documents become XHTML...

: They can then be treated like any other XML document, because they're well

: formed.

: <IMG SRC="images/myimage.gif">

: becomes

: <img src="images/myimage.gif" />

:

: and so forth..

:

: any XML parser will handle a valid XHTML file-

: make it an XSL or CSS for whatever device you want to output and it (in

: theory) that simple...

:

: As far as putting your CSS in your head-

: If your going public whith your site- and your at all worried about things

: like search engine placement, you need to go the otehr way...

: A lot of bots only search so deep into your HTML- putting a lot in your

head

: increases the chances that the meat of your page won't ever get crawled.

:

: Also-

: Its good practice to keep the display of your document separted from the

: data as much as possible, see the comments about why XHTML for my

reasons..

:

: Heres what I do...

: <head>

: <!--my meta tags and such --?

: <script language="javascript>

: /* client side sniffer goes here */

: if(isIE4)

: document.write('<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="../IE4.css"

: />')

: if(isNS)

: document.write('<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="../NS.css"

/>')

: if(Generic)

: document.write('<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="../GEN.css"

: />')

: </script>

: </head>

:

:

: That way the vast majority of my display is totally separate from my

: content- the way HTML is "supposed" to be written...

:

: Take a look... I STRONGLY believe that all html should be handled this

: way--- its how it was ment to be from the get go..

:

: Then along came NS composer and FP and everyone for got that HTML is

: supposed to carry data- not display it...

: displayig is for CSS or XSL...

:

: anyway, i doubt anyone but brent is reading this (maybe Dan too)

: so I'll shut up..

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 10:49 AM

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: So your saying that HTML will become XHTML?

:

: That way when you get blind people in

: your company- all you need to do is make a new CSS and bingo! They can

talk

: to your app- or PDA's..

:

: Could you go into a little more depth here cos I'm the one whos being

stupid

: now!

:

: Interestingly enought, I don't use CSS anymore!  I add whatever styles I

: think

: is necessary in the <HEAD>.

:

: Cheers

: /Brent

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

: Sent: 18 February 2002 15:44

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: XHTML is the way to write your HMTL. That way when you get blind people in

: your company- all you need to do is make a new CSS and bingo! They can

talk

: to your app- or PDA's...

:

: I Quote

: http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/#why

:

: "Alternate ways of accessing the Internet are constantly being introduced.

: Some estimates indicate that by the year 2002, 75% of Internet document

: viewing will be carried out on these alternate platforms. The XHTML family

: is designed with general user agent interoperability in mind. Through a

new

: user agent and document profiling mechanism, servers, proxies, and user

: agents will be able to perform best effort content transformation.

: Ultimately, it will be possible to develop XHTML-conforming content that

is

: usable by any XHTML-conforming user agent"

:

: YES I KNOW ITS 2002, but STILL!!!

:

:

: with that in mind...

: go here...

: http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/#diffs

:

:

: :o)

: 15 foot jumper nuthin but da bottum....

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 10:38 AM

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: I've just waded through about 4 pages of jargon and found absolutely

: nothing of worthwhile from the infamouse w3 website!

:

: I must conclude then that I was either looking in the wrong place

: or that it is far to late or that it is far too late and I was looking

: in the wrong place!

:

: ....UCASE stays I'm afraid...but thanks for the warning...I will keep

: it in mind, I've stopped usnig the <CENTER> tags now - mostly because

: its not that hard to do the same job another way!

:

: cheers

: Brent

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: Sent: 18 February 2002 15:10

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: same here

:

: --

: -----------------------------

: Daniel O'Dorisio

: daniel@o...

: www.odorisio-networks.com

: -----------------------------

: "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

: news:147528@a..._forms...

: :

: : UCase tags are bad...

: : Get over them, the day will come when they won't work at all...

: :

: : I used to be the same way.

: : Then I started going to W3.org to check out stuff...

: : changed me right quick like..

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:53 AM

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : You've been watching too much Top Gun!

: :

: : /Brent

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

: : Sent: 18 February 2002 14:35

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : wasn't at work...

: : was at home.

: : We do have a softball league and We're having some picnic with a V-Ball

: : tourney...

: : V-Ball is my first love too- palyed that yesterday too...

: :

: : Getting hired here is like pulling teeth man- Government is cutting

: : funding.. boeing is laying off...

: : Kinda ugly- I'm a contractor too- got no promises that I get to stay-

: :

: : My Resume is up to date....

: :

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Locke, Darrell (FCS/SFC) [mailto:Darrell.Locke@g...]

: : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:31 AM

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : So who is going to hook me up in a job over there?? You guys have too

much

: : fun. B-ball, and stuff.  Sounds fun!

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: : Sent: February 18, 2002 10:30 AM

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: : lol

: :

: : The last time I played B-Ball was at a camp when I was hit by major

cramp.

: : I did a massive jump, hooked the ball into the net before falling on the

: : floor writhing around in pain....at least the ball went in!

: :

: : I hate cramp!  its a nightmare!

: :

: : /Brent

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

: : Sent: 18 February 2002 14:22

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : LOL...

: : we don't have another bout here, do we???

: :

: : I'm actually working today, so I can't write a new stored procedure to

: score

: : it...

: : but I'll gladly be a spectator...

: :

: : Dan,

: : I played som b-ball yesterday... my knee is killing me!

: : About body slammed some guy 'cause he kept camping out in the paint. I

: mean

: : geez, it 'aint NBA out there, but you've gotta move every once in a

while

: : right???

: : 15 seconds???

: :

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:15 AM

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : Right - own up Danny....I'm getting closer and it looks like your

: : on dangerous coding grounds!

: :

: : Your not dragging and dropping your images from explorer into InterDev

: : are YOU???

: :

: : If you are then try adding file instead

: :

: : Cheers

: : Brent

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: : Sent: 18 February 2002 14:02

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : yeah im using vid6.. i really like intelletype.. maybe ill use homesite

: for

: : html, and vid6 for asp.. since homesite is a lil cheaper then vid.net..

: : lol.. ouch.. im not looking forward to a forced upgrade.. but anywayz..

: was

: : there a solution for vid.net?

: :

: : daniel

: :

: : --

: : -----------------------------

: : Daniel O'Dorisio

: : daniel@o...

: : www.odorisio-networks.com

: : -----------------------------

: : "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

: : news:147484@a..._forms...

: : :

: : : I've actually seen that prob on VID.net...

: : : but never 6, and I'm guessing thats what everyone's using...

: : :

: : : but VID.net does all the other "cool" stuff you talking about..

: : : adds clost tags, puts your cursor in the right place, and still has

: : : intelletype- which is the biggie in my mind...

: : : It also formats you html really nice, save you hitting the space tab 4

: : times

: : : if you've got an if in a table in a row in a column ;)

: : :

: : :

: : :

: : : -----Original Message-----

: : : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: : : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 8:45 AM

: : : To: ASP Forms

: : : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: : :

: : :

: : : i dont use design view.. please dont put me that low!!!! gosh.. lol..

no

: : but

: : : really.. i dont touch the design button.. but it does add thoes

: attributes

: : : automatically.. does it for yall? i mean it wont if i put one attrib

in

: : : there.. like

: : : <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla" name="blaimage" id="blaimage"

: : : width="2" />

: : : it wont touch it.. but if i do like:

: : : <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla name="blaimage" id="blaimage"/>

it

: : : turns it into:

: : : <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla" name="blaimage" id="blaimage" /

: : : WIDTH="32" HEIGHT="32">

: : : and that totally bombs the XHTML specs.. as well as ruins any

javascript

: : : rollovers i have..

: : :

: : : also have you guys checked out homesite??? woah.. it is pretty sweet..

i

: : : have been looking at it.. (im still looking either for a fix for VID,

or

: a

: : : new editor) and it automatically converts tags to lowercase, has lil

: : : utilities that make coding much easier, nice colorcoding.. HTML tag

: : : complete, the only thing is it dosnt support like the asp object code

: : : complete.. which is a bummer.. and the (tools->references) as brent

: likes

: : : isnt there.. but i dunno..

: : :

: : : daniel

: : :

: : : --

: : : -----------------------------

: : : Daniel O'Dorisio

: : : daniel@o...

: : : www.odorisio-networks.com

: : : -----------------------------

: : : "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

: : : news:147470@a..._forms...

: : : :

: : : : uh oh....

: : : : Brent and Elliott agree...

: : : : This is getting scary..

: : : :

: : : : daniel... you commited the cardnal sin.... and you're  very

fortunate

: : that

: : : : the gods of asp only saw fit to punish you with img height and width

: : : : properties.

: : : : I've seen far worse punishments....

: : : :

: : : : Interdev is the best I've ever used... unless you use the design

view-

: : if

: : : : you wanna do that, save yourself some money and buy frontpage...

: : : :

: : : : :o)

: : : : Elliott

: : : :

: : : : -----Original Message-----

: : : : From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: : : : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 7:54 AM

: : : : To: ASP Forms

: : : : Subject: [asp_forms] RE: editor choice

: : : :

: : : :

: : : : hello m8,

: : : :

: : : : I use visual interdev as well and its great so stick with it!

: However,

: : I

: : : : never ever ever ever never ever ever etc etc use the Design tab to

: build

: : : my

: : : : page.  I just enter the code using the Source tab and then right

click

: : and

: : : : select the View source in browser option!

: : : :

: : : : My boss uses the Design tab and its like Frontpage!  Crap!

: : : :

: : : : If you use the Design tab then it will add all sorts of stuff for

you

: : : : automatically!

: : : :

: : : : I think thats your problem although I have to admit to being

extremely

: : : : surprised if you are using the design tab and quick view tab!

: : : :

: : : : Cheers

: : : : Brent

: : : :

: : : :

: : : : -----Original Message-----

: : : : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: : : : Sent: 18 February 2002 12:26

: : : : To: ASP Forms

: : : : Subject: [asp_forms] editor choice

: : : :

: : : :

: : : : friends and fellow asp coders...

: : : :

: : : : i am using visual interdev since it was given to me.. but i am

running

: : : into

: : : : a problem. it adds the width and height attributes to the images

: : : : automatically, that is all fine and dandy until you are using

: javascript

: : : to

: : : : change thoes images.. i mean i could write more script and have

: : javascript

: : : : change the width andheight attributes to reflect the image.. but i

: dont

: : : : really want to.. anywayz.. i mainly dont like the idea of VID

changing

: : my

: : : : content on me.. that isnt a good editor.. so do any of yall know how

: to

: : : turn

: : : : this "feature" off or if not.. what editors do yall use that you

: like..

: : i

: : : : have tested homesite, and i think i like it!! but 100 bucks is 100

: : bucks..

: : : : then i also tried HTMLGate 2000 and that is ok.. except for the

color

: : : : coding.. i dont dig the all blue approach.. but what do you guys use

: : that

: : : : works and you like?

: : : :

: : : : thanks

: : : : daniel

: : : :

: : : : --

: : : : -----------------------------

: : : : Daniel O'Dorisio

: : : : daniel@o...

: : : : www.odorisio-networks.com

: : : : -----------------------------

: : : :

: : : :

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Message #63 by "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> on Tue, 19 Feb 2002 07:01:06 -0500
now..

using VID



click on the lil binoculars



in the find box type

<HTML>

in the replace box type

<html>

and click replace ALL....



:o)

you can figure out what to do from there..





-----Original Message-----

From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 6:59 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





yep... 

right...

and the choir sings!!!



-----Original Message-----

From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 6:14 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





yeah.. have the css load one time rather then having extra code in every

page.. and its easier.. i know you can just cut and paste.. but all you have

to cut and paste is a lil stylesheet link.



daniel



--

-----------------------------

Daniel O'Dorisio

daniel@o...

www.odorisio-networks.com

-----------------------------

"Brent Latham" <Brent2@w...> wrote in message

news:147791@a..._forms...

:

: So you think things like that below should be put into a CSS file instead?

:

: <style type="text/css">

: span.term { font-style: italic; color: rgb(0, 0, 192) }

: code {

: color: green;

: font-family: monospace;

: font-weight: bold;

: }

:

:

: .bad  {

: border: solid red;

: border-width: 2px;

: margin-left: 0;

: margin-right: 5%;

: color: rgb(192, 101, 101);

: }

:

: img {

: color: white;

: border: none;

: }

:

: div.navbar { text-align: center; }

: div.contents {

: background-color: rgb(204,204,255);

: padding: 0.5em;

: border: none;

: margin-right: 5%;

: }

: .tocline { list-style: none; }

: table.exceptions { background-color: rgb(255,255,153); }

: </style>

:

: /Brent

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

: Sent: 18 February 2002 16:04

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: I'm saying that if you at least conform to the standards that all you have

: to do is add a

: <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN"

: "DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">

:

: right before the root <html> and your documents become XHTML...

: They can then be treated like any other XML document, because they're well

: formed.

: <IMG SRC="images/myimage.gif">

: becomes

: <img src="images/myimage.gif" />

:

: and so forth..

:

: any XML parser will handle a valid XHTML file-

: make it an XSL or CSS for whatever device you want to output and it (in

: theory) that simple...

:

: As far as putting your CSS in your head-

: If your going public whith your site- and your at all worried about things

: like search engine placement, you need to go the otehr way...

: A lot of bots only search so deep into your HTML- putting a lot in your

head

: increases the chances that the meat of your page won't ever get crawled.

:

: Also-

: Its good practice to keep the display of your document separted from the

: data as much as possible, see the comments about why XHTML for my

reasons..

:

: Heres what I do...

: <head>

: <!--my meta tags and such --?

: <script language="javascript>

: /* client side sniffer goes here */

: if(isIE4)

: document.write('<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="../IE4.css"

: />')

: if(isNS)

: document.write('<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="../NS.css"

/>')

: if(Generic)

: document.write('<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="../GEN.css"

: />')

: </script>

: </head>

:

:

: That way the vast majority of my display is totally separate from my

: content- the way HTML is "supposed" to be written...

:

: Take a look... I STRONGLY believe that all html should be handled this

: way--- its how it was ment to be from the get go..

:

: Then along came NS composer and FP and everyone for got that HTML is

: supposed to carry data- not display it...

: displayig is for CSS or XSL...

:

: anyway, i doubt anyone but brent is reading this (maybe Dan too)

: so I'll shut up..

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 10:49 AM

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: So your saying that HTML will become XHTML?

:

: That way when you get blind people in

: your company- all you need to do is make a new CSS and bingo! They can

talk

: to your app- or PDA's..

:

: Could you go into a little more depth here cos I'm the one whos being

stupid

: now!

:

: Interestingly enought, I don't use CSS anymore!  I add whatever styles I

: think

: is necessary in the <HEAD>.

:

: Cheers

: /Brent

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

: Sent: 18 February 2002 15:44

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: XHTML is the way to write your HMTL. That way when you get blind people in

: your company- all you need to do is make a new CSS and bingo! They can

talk

: to your app- or PDA's...

:

: I Quote

: http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/#why

:

: "Alternate ways of accessing the Internet are constantly being introduced.

: Some estimates indicate that by the year 2002, 75% of Internet document

: viewing will be carried out on these alternate platforms. The XHTML family

: is designed with general user agent interoperability in mind. Through a

new

: user agent and document profiling mechanism, servers, proxies, and user

: agents will be able to perform best effort content transformation.

: Ultimately, it will be possible to develop XHTML-conforming content that

is

: usable by any XHTML-conforming user agent"

:

: YES I KNOW ITS 2002, but STILL!!!

:

:

: with that in mind...

: go here...

: http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/#diffs

:

:

: :o)

: 15 foot jumper nuthin but da bottum....

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 10:38 AM

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: I've just waded through about 4 pages of jargon and found absolutely

: nothing of worthwhile from the infamouse w3 website!

:

: I must conclude then that I was either looking in the wrong place

: or that it is far to late or that it is far too late and I was looking

: in the wrong place!

:

: ....UCASE stays I'm afraid...but thanks for the warning...I will keep

: it in mind, I've stopped usnig the <CENTER> tags now - mostly because

: its not that hard to do the same job another way!

:

: cheers

: Brent

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: Sent: 18 February 2002 15:10

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: same here

:

: --

: -----------------------------

: Daniel O'Dorisio

: daniel@o...

: www.odorisio-networks.com

: -----------------------------

: "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

: news:147528@a..._forms...

: :

: : UCase tags are bad...

: : Get over them, the day will come when they won't work at all...

: :

: : I used to be the same way.

: : Then I started going to W3.org to check out stuff...

: : changed me right quick like..

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:53 AM

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : You've been watching too much Top Gun!

: :

: : /Brent

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

: : Sent: 18 February 2002 14:35

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : wasn't at work...

: : was at home.

: : We do have a softball league and We're having some picnic with a V-Ball

: : tourney...

: : V-Ball is my first love too- palyed that yesterday too...

: :

: : Getting hired here is like pulling teeth man- Government is cutting

: : funding.. boeing is laying off...

: : Kinda ugly- I'm a contractor too- got no promises that I get to stay-

: :

: : My Resume is up to date....

: :

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Locke, Darrell (FCS/SFC) [mailto:Darrell.Locke@g...]

: : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:31 AM

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : So who is going to hook me up in a job over there?? You guys have too

much

: : fun. B-ball, and stuff.  Sounds fun!

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: : Sent: February 18, 2002 10:30 AM

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: : lol

: :

: : The last time I played B-Ball was at a camp when I was hit by major

cramp.

: : I did a massive jump, hooked the ball into the net before falling on the

: : floor writhing around in pain....at least the ball went in!

: :

: : I hate cramp!  its a nightmare!

: :

: : /Brent

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

: : Sent: 18 February 2002 14:22

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : LOL...

: : we don't have another bout here, do we???

: :

: : I'm actually working today, so I can't write a new stored procedure to

: score

: : it...

: : but I'll gladly be a spectator...

: :

: : Dan,

: : I played som b-ball yesterday... my knee is killing me!

: : About body slammed some guy 'cause he kept camping out in the paint. I

: mean

: : geez, it 'aint NBA out there, but you've gotta move every once in a

while

: : right???

: : 15 seconds???

: :

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:15 AM

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : Right - own up Danny....I'm getting closer and it looks like your

: : on dangerous coding grounds!

: :

: : Your not dragging and dropping your images from explorer into InterDev

: : are YOU???

: :

: : If you are then try adding file instead

: :

: : Cheers

: : Brent

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: : Sent: 18 February 2002 14:02

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : yeah im using vid6.. i really like intelletype.. maybe ill use homesite

: for

: : html, and vid6 for asp.. since homesite is a lil cheaper then vid.net..

: : lol.. ouch.. im not looking forward to a forced upgrade.. but anywayz..

: was

: : there a solution for vid.net?

: :

: : daniel

: :

: : --

: : -----------------------------

: : Daniel O'Dorisio

: : daniel@o...

: : www.odorisio-networks.com

: : -----------------------------

: : "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

: : news:147484@a..._forms...

: : :

: : : I've actually seen that prob on VID.net...

: : : but never 6, and I'm guessing thats what everyone's using...

: : :

: : : but VID.net does all the other "cool" stuff you talking about..

: : : adds clost tags, puts your cursor in the right place, and still has

: : : intelletype- which is the biggie in my mind...

: : : It also formats you html really nice, save you hitting the space tab 4

: : times

: : : if you've got an if in a table in a row in a column ;)

: : :

: : :

: : :

: : : -----Original Message-----

: : : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: : : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 8:45 AM

: : : To: ASP Forms

: : : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: : :

: : :

: : : i dont use design view.. please dont put me that low!!!! gosh.. lol..

no

: : but

: : : really.. i dont touch the design button.. but it does add thoes

: attributes

: : : automatically.. does it for yall? i mean it wont if i put one attrib

in

: : : there.. like

: : : <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla" name="blaimage" id="blaimage"

: : : width="2" />

: : : it wont touch it.. but if i do like:

: : : <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla name="blaimage" id="blaimage"/>

it

: : : turns it into:

: : : <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla" name="blaimage" id="blaimage" /

: : : WIDTH="32" HEIGHT="32">

: : : and that totally bombs the XHTML specs.. as well as ruins any

javascript

: : : rollovers i have..

: : :

: : : also have you guys checked out homesite??? woah.. it is pretty sweet..

i

: : : have been looking at it.. (im still looking either for a fix for VID,

or

: a

: : : new editor) and it automatically converts tags to lowercase, has lil

: : : utilities that make coding much easier, nice colorcoding.. HTML tag

: : : complete, the only thing is it dosnt support like the asp object code

: : : complete.. which is a bummer.. and the (tools->references) as brent

: likes

: : : isnt there.. but i dunno..

: : :

: : : daniel

: : :

: : : --

: : : -----------------------------

: : : Daniel O'Dorisio

: : : daniel@o...

: : : www.odorisio-networks.com

: : : -----------------------------

: : : "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

: : : news:147470@a..._forms...

: : : :

: : : : uh oh....

: : : : Brent and Elliott agree...

: : : : This is getting scary..

: : : :

: : : : daniel... you commited the cardnal sin.... and you're  very

fortunate

: : that

: : : : the gods of asp only saw fit to punish you with img height and width

: : : : properties.

: : : : I've seen far worse punishments....

: : : :

: : : : Interdev is the best I've ever used... unless you use the design

view-

: : if

: : : : you wanna do that, save yourself some money and buy frontpage...

: : : :

: : : : :o)

: : : : Elliott

: : : :

: : : : -----Original Message-----

: : : : From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: : : : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 7:54 AM

: : : : To: ASP Forms

: : : : Subject: [asp_forms] RE: editor choice

: : : :

: : : :

: : : : hello m8,

: : : :

: : : : I use visual interdev as well and its great so stick with it!

: However,

: : I

: : : : never ever ever ever never ever ever etc etc use the Design tab to

: build

: : : my

: : : : page.  I just enter the code using the Source tab and then right

click

: : and

: : : : select the View source in browser option!

: : : :

: : : : My boss uses the Design tab and its like Frontpage!  Crap!

: : : :

: : : : If you use the Design tab then it will add all sorts of stuff for

you

: : : : automatically!

: : : :

: : : : I think thats your problem although I have to admit to being

extremely

: : : : surprised if you are using the design tab and quick view tab!

: : : :

: : : : Cheers

: : : : Brent

: : : :

: : : :

: : : : -----Original Message-----

: : : : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: : : : Sent: 18 February 2002 12:26

: : : : To: ASP Forms

: : : : Subject: [asp_forms] editor choice

: : : :

: : : :

: : : : friends and fellow asp coders...

: : : :

: : : : i am using visual interdev since it was given to me.. but i am

running

: : : into

: : : : a problem. it adds the width and height attributes to the images

: : : : automatically, that is all fine and dandy until you are using

: javascript

: : : to

: : : : change thoes images.. i mean i could write more script and have

: : javascript

: : : : change the width andheight attributes to reflect the image.. but i

: dont

: : : : really want to.. anywayz.. i mainly dont like the idea of VID

changing

: : my

: : : : content on me.. that isnt a good editor.. so do any of yall know how

: to

: : : turn

: : : : this "feature" off or if not.. what editors do yall use that you

: like..

: : i

: : : : have tested homesite, and i think i like it!! but 100 bucks is 100

: : bucks..

: : : : then i also tried HTMLGate 2000 and that is ok.. except for the

color

: : : : coding.. i dont dig the all blue approach.. but what do you guys use

: : that

: : : : works and you like?

: : : :

: : : : thanks

: : : : daniel

: : : :

: : : : --

: : : : -----------------------------

: : : : Daniel O'Dorisio

: : : : daniel@o...

: : : : www.odorisio-networks.com

: : : : -----------------------------

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Message #64 by "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> on Tue, 19 Feb 2002 07:02:33 -0500
make sure your empty elements have close tags...

its <img src="images/mygif.gif" />

and <br />

...



-----Original Message-----

From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 6:28 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





lol - Well done danny :)



I copied and pasted that code from the w3 site itself :)



I figure if they still use it then its okay :P



a part from that my HTML is changing from UCASE to lcase :(



I will start appending the new line - 

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN"

"DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">



at the top of my page....thankfully everything else stays the same!



I guess the only other thing I need to look at then is the xln forms!



life changes...and so does code!



/Brent



-----Original Message-----

From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

Sent: 19 February 2002 11:14

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





yeah.. have the css load one time rather then having extra code in every

page.. and its easier.. i know you can just cut and paste.. but all you have

to cut and paste is a lil stylesheet link.



daniel



--

-----------------------------

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daniel@o...

www.odorisio-networks.com

-----------------------------

"Brent Latham" <Brent2@w...> wrote in message

news:147791@a..._forms...

:

: So you think things like that below should be put into a CSS file instead?

:

: <style type="text/css">

: span.term { font-style: italic; color: rgb(0, 0, 192) }

: code {

: color: green;

: font-family: monospace;

: font-weight: bold;

: }

:

:

: .bad  {

: border: solid red;

: border-width: 2px;

: margin-left: 0;

: margin-right: 5%;

: color: rgb(192, 101, 101);

: }

:

: img {

: color: white;

: border: none;

: }

:

: div.navbar { text-align: center; }

: div.contents {

: background-color: rgb(204,204,255);

: padding: 0.5em;

: border: none;

: margin-right: 5%;

: }

: .tocline { list-style: none; }

: table.exceptions { background-color: rgb(255,255,153); }

: </style>

:

: /Brent

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

: Sent: 18 February 2002 16:04

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: I'm saying that if you at least conform to the standards that all you have

: to do is add a

: <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN"

: "DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">

:

: right before the root <html> and your documents become XHTML...

: They can then be treated like any other XML document, because they're well

: formed.

: <IMG SRC="images/myimage.gif">

: becomes

: <img src="images/myimage.gif" />

:

: and so forth..

:

: any XML parser will handle a valid XHTML file-

: make it an XSL or CSS for whatever device you want to output and it (in

: theory) that simple...

:

: As far as putting your CSS in your head-

: If your going public whith your site- and your at all worried about things

: like search engine placement, you need to go the otehr way...

: A lot of bots only search so deep into your HTML- putting a lot in your

head

: increases the chances that the meat of your page won't ever get crawled.

:

: Also-

: Its good practice to keep the display of your document separted from the

: data as much as possible, see the comments about why XHTML for my

reasons..

:

: Heres what I do...

: <head>

: <!--my meta tags and such --?

: <script language="javascript>

: /* client side sniffer goes here */

: if(isIE4)

: document.write('<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="../IE4.css"

: />')

: if(isNS)

: document.write('<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="../NS.css"

/>')

: if(Generic)

: document.write('<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="../GEN.css"

: />')

: </script>

: </head>

:

:

: That way the vast majority of my display is totally separate from my

: content- the way HTML is "supposed" to be written...

:

: Take a look... I STRONGLY believe that all html should be handled this

: way--- its how it was ment to be from the get go..

:

: Then along came NS composer and FP and everyone for got that HTML is

: supposed to carry data- not display it...

: displayig is for CSS or XSL...

:

: anyway, i doubt anyone but brent is reading this (maybe Dan too)

: so I'll shut up..

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 10:49 AM

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: So your saying that HTML will become XHTML?

:

: That way when you get blind people in

: your company- all you need to do is make a new CSS and bingo! They can

talk

: to your app- or PDA's..

:

: Could you go into a little more depth here cos I'm the one whos being

stupid

: now!

:

: Interestingly enought, I don't use CSS anymore!  I add whatever styles I

: think

: is necessary in the <HEAD>.

:

: Cheers

: /Brent

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

: Sent: 18 February 2002 15:44

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: XHTML is the way to write your HMTL. That way when you get blind people in

: your company- all you need to do is make a new CSS and bingo! They can

talk

: to your app- or PDA's...

:

: I Quote

: http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/#why

:

: "Alternate ways of accessing the Internet are constantly being introduced.

: Some estimates indicate that by the year 2002, 75% of Internet document

: viewing will be carried out on these alternate platforms. The XHTML family

: is designed with general user agent interoperability in mind. Through a

new

: user agent and document profiling mechanism, servers, proxies, and user

: agents will be able to perform best effort content transformation.

: Ultimately, it will be possible to develop XHTML-conforming content that

is

: usable by any XHTML-conforming user agent"

:

: YES I KNOW ITS 2002, but STILL!!!

:

:

: with that in mind...

: go here...

: http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/#diffs

:

:

: :o)

: 15 foot jumper nuthin but da bottum....

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 10:38 AM

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: I've just waded through about 4 pages of jargon and found absolutely

: nothing of worthwhile from the infamouse w3 website!

:

: I must conclude then that I was either looking in the wrong place

: or that it is far to late or that it is far too late and I was looking

: in the wrong place!

:

: ....UCASE stays I'm afraid...but thanks for the warning...I will keep

: it in mind, I've stopped usnig the <CENTER> tags now - mostly because

: its not that hard to do the same job another way!

:

: cheers

: Brent

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: Sent: 18 February 2002 15:10

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: same here

:

: --

: -----------------------------

: Daniel O'Dorisio

: daniel@o...

: www.odorisio-networks.com

: -----------------------------

: "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

: news:147528@a..._forms...

: :

: : UCase tags are bad...

: : Get over them, the day will come when they won't work at all...

: :

: : I used to be the same way.

: : Then I started going to W3.org to check out stuff...

: : changed me right quick like..

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:53 AM

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : You've been watching too much Top Gun!

: :

: : /Brent

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

: : Sent: 18 February 2002 14:35

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : wasn't at work...

: : was at home.

: : We do have a softball league and We're having some picnic with a V-Ball

: : tourney...

: : V-Ball is my first love too- palyed that yesterday too...

: :

: : Getting hired here is like pulling teeth man- Government is cutting

: : funding.. boeing is laying off...

: : Kinda ugly- I'm a contractor too- got no promises that I get to stay-

: :

: : My Resume is up to date....

: :

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Locke, Darrell (FCS/SFC) [mailto:Darrell.Locke@g...]

: : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:31 AM

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : So who is going to hook me up in a job over there?? You guys have too

much

: : fun. B-ball, and stuff.  Sounds fun!

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: : Sent: February 18, 2002 10:30 AM

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: : lol

: :

: : The last time I played B-Ball was at a camp when I was hit by major

cramp.

: : I did a massive jump, hooked the ball into the net before falling on the

: : floor writhing around in pain....at least the ball went in!

: :

: : I hate cramp!  its a nightmare!

: :

: : /Brent

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

: : Sent: 18 February 2002 14:22

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : LOL...

: : we don't have another bout here, do we???

: :

: : I'm actually working today, so I can't write a new stored procedure to

: score

: : it...

: : but I'll gladly be a spectator...

: :

: : Dan,

: : I played som b-ball yesterday... my knee is killing me!

: : About body slammed some guy 'cause he kept camping out in the paint. I

: mean

: : geez, it 'aint NBA out there, but you've gotta move every once in a

while

: : right???

: : 15 seconds???

: :

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:15 AM

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : Right - own up Danny....I'm getting closer and it looks like your

: : on dangerous coding grounds!

: :

: : Your not dragging and dropping your images from explorer into InterDev

: : are YOU???

: :

: : If you are then try adding file instead

: :

: : Cheers

: : Brent

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: : Sent: 18 February 2002 14:02

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : yeah im using vid6.. i really like intelletype.. maybe ill use homesite

: for

: : html, and vid6 for asp.. since homesite is a lil cheaper then vid.net..

: : lol.. ouch.. im not looking forward to a forced upgrade.. but anywayz..

: was

: : there a solution for vid.net?

: :

: : daniel

: :

: : --

: : -----------------------------

: : Daniel O'Dorisio

: : daniel@o...

: : www.odorisio-networks.com

: : -----------------------------

: : "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

: : news:147484@a..._forms...

: : :

: : : I've actually seen that prob on VID.net...

: : : but never 6, and I'm guessing thats what everyone's using...

: : :

: : : but VID.net does all the other "cool" stuff you talking about..

: : : adds clost tags, puts your cursor in the right place, and still has

: : : intelletype- which is the biggie in my mind...

: : : It also formats you html really nice, save you hitting the space tab 4

: : times

: : : if you've got an if in a table in a row in a column ;)

: : :

: : :

: : :

: : : -----Original Message-----

: : : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: : : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 8:45 AM

: : : To: ASP Forms

: : : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: : :

: : :

: : : i dont use design view.. please dont put me that low!!!! gosh.. lol..

no

: : but

: : : really.. i dont touch the design button.. but it does add thoes

: attributes

: : : automatically.. does it for yall? i mean it wont if i put one attrib

in

: : : there.. like

: : : <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla" name="blaimage" id="blaimage"

: : : width="2" />

: : : it wont touch it.. but if i do like:

: : : <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla name="blaimage" id="blaimage"/>

it

: : : turns it into:

: : : <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla" name="blaimage" id="blaimage" /

: : : WIDTH="32" HEIGHT="32">

: : : and that totally bombs the XHTML specs.. as well as ruins any

javascript

: : : rollovers i have..

: : :

: : : also have you guys checked out homesite??? woah.. it is pretty sweet..

i

: : : have been looking at it.. (im still looking either for a fix for VID,

or

: a

: : : new editor) and it automatically converts tags to lowercase, has lil

: : : utilities that make coding much easier, nice colorcoding.. HTML tag

: : : complete, the only thing is it dosnt support like the asp object code

: : : complete.. which is a bummer.. and the (tools->references) as brent

: likes

: : : isnt there.. but i dunno..

: : :

: : : daniel

: : :

: : : --

: : : -----------------------------

: : : Daniel O'Dorisio

: : : daniel@o...

: : : www.odorisio-networks.com

: : : -----------------------------

: : : "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

: : : news:147470@a..._forms...

: : : :

: : : : uh oh....

: : : : Brent and Elliott agree...

: : : : This is getting scary..

: : : :

: : : : daniel... you commited the cardnal sin.... and you're  very

fortunate

: : that

: : : : the gods of asp only saw fit to punish you with img height and width

: : : : properties.

: : : : I've seen far worse punishments....

: : : :

: : : : Interdev is the best I've ever used... unless you use the design

view-

: : if

: : : : you wanna do that, save yourself some money and buy frontpage...

: : : :

: : : : :o)

: : : : Elliott

: : : :

: : : : -----Original Message-----

: : : : From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: : : : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 7:54 AM

: : : : To: ASP Forms

: : : : Subject: [asp_forms] RE: editor choice

: : : :

: : : :

: : : : hello m8,

: : : :

: : : : I use visual interdev as well and its great so stick with it!

: However,

: : I

: : : : never ever ever ever never ever ever etc etc use the Design tab to

: build

: : : my

: : : : page.  I just enter the code using the Source tab and then right

click

: : and

: : : : select the View source in browser option!

: : : :

: : : : My boss uses the Design tab and its like Frontpage!  Crap!

: : : :

: : : : If you use the Design tab then it will add all sorts of stuff for

you

: : : : automatically!

: : : :

: : : : I think thats your problem although I have to admit to being

extremely

: : : : surprised if you are using the design tab and quick view tab!

: : : :

: : : : Cheers

: : : : Brent

: : : :

: : : :

: : : : -----Original Message-----

: : : : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: : : : Sent: 18 February 2002 12:26

: : : : To: ASP Forms

: : : : Subject: [asp_forms] editor choice

: : : :

: : : :

: : : : friends and fellow asp coders...

: : : :

: : : : i am using visual interdev since it was given to me.. but i am

running

: : : into

: : : : a problem. it adds the width and height attributes to the images

: : : : automatically, that is all fine and dandy until you are using

: javascript

: : : to

: : : : change thoes images.. i mean i could write more script and have

: : javascript

: : : : change the width andheight attributes to reflect the image.. but i

: dont

: : : : really want to.. anywayz.. i mainly dont like the idea of VID

changing

: : my

: : : : content on me.. that isnt a good editor.. so do any of yall know how

: to

: : : turn

: : : : this "feature" off or if not.. what editors do yall use that you

: like..

: : i

: : : : have tested homesite, and i think i like it!! but 100 bucks is 100

: : bucks..

: : : : then i also tried HTMLGate 2000 and that is ok.. except for the

color

: : : : coding.. i dont dig the all blue approach.. but what do you guys use

: : that

: : : : works and you like?

: : : :

: : : : thanks

: : : : daniel

: : : :

: : : : --

: : : : -----------------------------

: : : : Daniel O'Dorisio

: : : : daniel@o...

: : : : www.odorisio-networks.com

: : : : -----------------------------

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Message #65 by Brent Latham <Brent2@w...> on Tue, 19 Feb 2002 12:05:21 -0000
thanks for the reminder about that!



I'm on the case m8 believe me....



Cheers

Brent



-----Original Message-----

From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

Sent: 19 February 2002 12:03

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





make sure your empty elements have close tags...

its <img src="images/mygif.gif" />

and <br />

...



-----Original Message-----

From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 6:28 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





lol - Well done danny :)



I copied and pasted that code from the w3 site itself :)



I figure if they still use it then its okay :P



a part from that my HTML is changing from UCASE to lcase :(



I will start appending the new line - 

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN"

"DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">



at the top of my page....thankfully everything else stays the same!



I guess the only other thing I need to look at then is the xln forms!



life changes...and so does code!



/Brent



-----Original Message-----

From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

Sent: 19 February 2002 11:14

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





yeah.. have the css load one time rather then having extra code in every

page.. and its easier.. i know you can just cut and paste.. but all you have

to cut and paste is a lil stylesheet link.



daniel



--

-----------------------------

Daniel O'Dorisio

daniel@o...

www.odorisio-networks.com

-----------------------------

"Brent Latham" <Brent2@w...> wrote in message

news:147791@a..._forms...

:

: So you think things like that below should be put into a CSS file instead?

:

: <style type="text/css">

: span.term { font-style: italic; color: rgb(0, 0, 192) }

: code {

: color: green;

: font-family: monospace;

: font-weight: bold;

: }

:

:

: .bad  {

: border: solid red;

: border-width: 2px;

: margin-left: 0;

: margin-right: 5%;

: color: rgb(192, 101, 101);

: }

:

: img {

: color: white;

: border: none;

: }

:

: div.navbar { text-align: center; }

: div.contents {

: background-color: rgb(204,204,255);

: padding: 0.5em;

: border: none;

: margin-right: 5%;

: }

: .tocline { list-style: none; }

: table.exceptions { background-color: rgb(255,255,153); }

: </style>

:

: /Brent

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

: Sent: 18 February 2002 16:04

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: I'm saying that if you at least conform to the standards that all you have

: to do is add a

: <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN"

: "DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">

:

: right before the root <html> and your documents become XHTML...

: They can then be treated like any other XML document, because they're well

: formed.

: <IMG SRC="images/myimage.gif">

: becomes

: <img src="images/myimage.gif" />

:

: and so forth..

:

: any XML parser will handle a valid XHTML file-

: make it an XSL or CSS for whatever device you want to output and it (in

: theory) that simple...

:

: As far as putting your CSS in your head-

: If your going public whith your site- and your at all worried about things

: like search engine placement, you need to go the otehr way...

: A lot of bots only search so deep into your HTML- putting a lot in your

head

: increases the chances that the meat of your page won't ever get crawled.

:

: Also-

: Its good practice to keep the display of your document separted from the

: data as much as possible, see the comments about why XHTML for my

reasons..

:

: Heres what I do...

: <head>

: <!--my meta tags and such --?

: <script language="javascript>

: /* client side sniffer goes here */

: if(isIE4)

: document.write('<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="../IE4.css"

: />')

: if(isNS)

: document.write('<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="../NS.css"

/>')

: if(Generic)

: document.write('<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="../GEN.css"

: />')

: </script>

: </head>

:

:

: That way the vast majority of my display is totally separate from my

: content- the way HTML is "supposed" to be written...

:

: Take a look... I STRONGLY believe that all html should be handled this

: way--- its how it was ment to be from the get go..

:

: Then along came NS composer and FP and everyone for got that HTML is

: supposed to carry data- not display it...

: displayig is for CSS or XSL...

:

: anyway, i doubt anyone but brent is reading this (maybe Dan too)

: so I'll shut up..

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 10:49 AM

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: So your saying that HTML will become XHTML?

:

: That way when you get blind people in

: your company- all you need to do is make a new CSS and bingo! They can

talk

: to your app- or PDA's..

:

: Could you go into a little more depth here cos I'm the one whos being

stupid

: now!

:

: Interestingly enought, I don't use CSS anymore!  I add whatever styles I

: think

: is necessary in the <HEAD>.

:

: Cheers

: /Brent

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

: Sent: 18 February 2002 15:44

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: XHTML is the way to write your HMTL. That way when you get blind people in

: your company- all you need to do is make a new CSS and bingo! They can

talk

: to your app- or PDA's...

:

: I Quote

: http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/#why

:

: "Alternate ways of accessing the Internet are constantly being introduced.

: Some estimates indicate that by the year 2002, 75% of Internet document

: viewing will be carried out on these alternate platforms. The XHTML family

: is designed with general user agent interoperability in mind. Through a

new

: user agent and document profiling mechanism, servers, proxies, and user

: agents will be able to perform best effort content transformation.

: Ultimately, it will be possible to develop XHTML-conforming content that

is

: usable by any XHTML-conforming user agent"

:

: YES I KNOW ITS 2002, but STILL!!!

:

:

: with that in mind...

: go here...

: http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/#diffs

:

:

: :o)

: 15 foot jumper nuthin but da bottum....

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 10:38 AM

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: I've just waded through about 4 pages of jargon and found absolutely

: nothing of worthwhile from the infamouse w3 website!

:

: I must conclude then that I was either looking in the wrong place

: or that it is far to late or that it is far too late and I was looking

: in the wrong place!

:

: ....UCASE stays I'm afraid...but thanks for the warning...I will keep

: it in mind, I've stopped usnig the <CENTER> tags now - mostly because

: its not that hard to do the same job another way!

:

: cheers

: Brent

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: Sent: 18 February 2002 15:10

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: same here

:

: --

: -----------------------------

: Daniel O'Dorisio

: daniel@o...

: www.odorisio-networks.com

: -----------------------------

: "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

: news:147528@a..._forms...

: :

: : UCase tags are bad...

: : Get over them, the day will come when they won't work at all...

: :

: : I used to be the same way.

: : Then I started going to W3.org to check out stuff...

: : changed me right quick like..

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:53 AM

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : You've been watching too much Top Gun!

: :

: : /Brent

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

: : Sent: 18 February 2002 14:35

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : wasn't at work...

: : was at home.

: : We do have a softball league and We're having some picnic with a V-Ball

: : tourney...

: : V-Ball is my first love too- palyed that yesterday too...

: :

: : Getting hired here is like pulling teeth man- Government is cutting

: : funding.. boeing is laying off...

: : Kinda ugly- I'm a contractor too- got no promises that I get to stay-

: :

: : My Resume is up to date....

: :

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Locke, Darrell (FCS/SFC) [mailto:Darrell.Locke@g...]

: : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:31 AM

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : So who is going to hook me up in a job over there?? You guys have too

much

: : fun. B-ball, and stuff.  Sounds fun!

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: : Sent: February 18, 2002 10:30 AM

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: : lol

: :

: : The last time I played B-Ball was at a camp when I was hit by major

cramp.

: : I did a massive jump, hooked the ball into the net before falling on the

: : floor writhing around in pain....at least the ball went in!

: :

: : I hate cramp!  its a nightmare!

: :

: : /Brent

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

: : Sent: 18 February 2002 14:22

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : LOL...

: : we don't have another bout here, do we???

: :

: : I'm actually working today, so I can't write a new stored procedure to

: score

: : it...

: : but I'll gladly be a spectator...

: :

: : Dan,

: : I played som b-ball yesterday... my knee is killing me!

: : About body slammed some guy 'cause he kept camping out in the paint. I

: mean

: : geez, it 'aint NBA out there, but you've gotta move every once in a

while

: : right???

: : 15 seconds???

: :

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:15 AM

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : Right - own up Danny....I'm getting closer and it looks like your

: : on dangerous coding grounds!

: :

: : Your not dragging and dropping your images from explorer into InterDev

: : are YOU???

: :

: : If you are then try adding file instead

: :

: : Cheers

: : Brent

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: : Sent: 18 February 2002 14:02

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : yeah im using vid6.. i really like intelletype.. maybe ill use homesite

: for

: : html, and vid6 for asp.. since homesite is a lil cheaper then vid.net..

: : lol.. ouch.. im not looking forward to a forced upgrade.. but anywayz..

: was

: : there a solution for vid.net?

: :

: : daniel

: :

: : --

: : -----------------------------

: : Daniel O'Dorisio

: : daniel@o...

: : www.odorisio-networks.com

: : -----------------------------

: : "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

: : news:147484@a..._forms...

: : :

: : : I've actually seen that prob on VID.net...

: : : but never 6, and I'm guessing thats what everyone's using...

: : :

: : : but VID.net does all the other "cool" stuff you talking about..

: : : adds clost tags, puts your cursor in the right place, and still has

: : : intelletype- which is the biggie in my mind...

: : : It also formats you html really nice, save you hitting the space tab 4

: : times

: : : if you've got an if in a table in a row in a column ;)

: : :

: : :

: : :

: : : -----Original Message-----

: : : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: : : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 8:45 AM

: : : To: ASP Forms

: : : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: : :

: : :

: : : i dont use design view.. please dont put me that low!!!! gosh.. lol..

no

: : but

: : : really.. i dont touch the design button.. but it does add thoes

: attributes

: : : automatically.. does it for yall? i mean it wont if i put one attrib

in

: : : there.. like

: : : <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla" name="blaimage" id="blaimage"

: : : width="2" />

: : : it wont touch it.. but if i do like:

: : : <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla name="blaimage" id="blaimage"/>

it

: : : turns it into:

: : : <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla" name="blaimage" id="blaimage" /

: : : WIDTH="32" HEIGHT="32">

: : : and that totally bombs the XHTML specs.. as well as ruins any

javascript

: : : rollovers i have..

: : :

: : : also have you guys checked out homesite??? woah.. it is pretty sweet..

i

: : : have been looking at it.. (im still looking either for a fix for VID,

or

: a

: : : new editor) and it automatically converts tags to lowercase, has lil

: : : utilities that make coding much easier, nice colorcoding.. HTML tag

: : : complete, the only thing is it dosnt support like the asp object code

: : : complete.. which is a bummer.. and the (tools->references) as brent

: likes

: : : isnt there.. but i dunno..

: : :

: : : daniel

: : :

: : : --

: : : -----------------------------

: : : Daniel O'Dorisio

: : : daniel@o...

: : : www.odorisio-networks.com

: : : -----------------------------

: : : "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

: : : news:147470@a..._forms...

: : : :

: : : : uh oh....

: : : : Brent and Elliott agree...

: : : : This is getting scary..

: : : :

: : : : daniel... you commited the cardnal sin.... and you're  very

fortunate

: : that

: : : : the gods of asp only saw fit to punish you with img height and width

: : : : properties.

: : : : I've seen far worse punishments....

: : : :

: : : : Interdev is the best I've ever used... unless you use the design

view-

: : if

: : : : you wanna do that, save yourself some money and buy frontpage...

: : : :

: : : : :o)

: : : : Elliott

: : : :

: : : : -----Original Message-----

: : : : From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: : : : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 7:54 AM

: : : : To: ASP Forms

: : : : Subject: [asp_forms] RE: editor choice

: : : :

: : : :

: : : : hello m8,

: : : :

: : : : I use visual interdev as well and its great so stick with it!

: However,

: : I

: : : : never ever ever ever never ever ever etc etc use the Design tab to

: build

: : : my

: : : : page.  I just enter the code using the Source tab and then right

click

: : and

: : : : select the View source in browser option!

: : : :

: : : : My boss uses the Design tab and its like Frontpage!  Crap!

: : : :

: : : : If you use the Design tab then it will add all sorts of stuff for

you

: : : : automatically!

: : : :

: : : : I think thats your problem although I have to admit to being

extremely

: : : : surprised if you are using the design tab and quick view tab!

: : : :

: : : : Cheers

: : : : Brent

: : : :

: : : :

: : : : -----Original Message-----

: : : : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: : : : Sent: 18 February 2002 12:26

: : : : To: ASP Forms

: : : : Subject: [asp_forms] editor choice

: : : :

: : : :

: : : : friends and fellow asp coders...

: : : :

: : : : i am using visual interdev since it was given to me.. but i am

running

: : : into

: : : : a problem. it adds the width and height attributes to the images

: : : : automatically, that is all fine and dandy until you are using

: javascript

: : : to

: : : : change thoes images.. i mean i could write more script and have

: : javascript

: : : : change the width andheight attributes to reflect the image.. but i

: dont

: : : : really want to.. anywayz.. i mainly dont like the idea of VID

changing

: : my

: : : : content on me.. that isnt a good editor.. so do any of yall know how

: to

: : : turn

: : : : this "feature" off or if not.. what editors do yall use that you

: like..

: : i

: : : : have tested homesite, and i think i like it!! but 100 bucks is 100

: : bucks..

: : : : then i also tried HTMLGate 2000 and that is ok.. except for the

color

: : : : coding.. i dont dig the all blue approach.. but what do you guys use

: : that

: : : : works and you like?

: : : :

: : : : thanks

: : : : daniel

: : : :

: : : : --

: : : : -----------------------------

: : : : Daniel O'Dorisio

: : : : daniel@o...

: : : : www.odorisio-networks.com

: : : : -----------------------------

: : : :

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Message #66 by Brent Latham <Brent2@w...> on Tue, 19 Feb 2002 12:22:39 -0000
I now have a postit note stuck on my monitor!



lowercase

""

<br /> 

ID

&amp;



The only other thing is matching your tags up but thats not anything

new...if you don't match the tags then its just bad coding!



/Brent



-----Original Message-----

From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

Sent: 19 February 2002 12:03

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





make sure your empty elements have close tags...

its <img src="images/mygif.gif" />

and <br />

...



-----Original Message-----

From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 6:28 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





lol - Well done danny :)



I copied and pasted that code from the w3 site itself :)



I figure if they still use it then its okay :P



a part from that my HTML is changing from UCASE to lcase :(



I will start appending the new line - 

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN"

"DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">



at the top of my page....thankfully everything else stays the same!



I guess the only other thing I need to look at then is the xln forms!



life changes...and so does code!



/Brent



-----Original Message-----

From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

Sent: 19 February 2002 11:14

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





yeah.. have the css load one time rather then having extra code in every

page.. and its easier.. i know you can just cut and paste.. but all you have

to cut and paste is a lil stylesheet link.



daniel



--

-----------------------------

Daniel O'Dorisio

daniel@o...

www.odorisio-networks.com

-----------------------------

"Brent Latham" <Brent2@w...> wrote in message

news:147791@a..._forms...

:

: So you think things like that below should be put into a CSS file instead?

:

: <style type="text/css">

: span.term { font-style: italic; color: rgb(0, 0, 192) }

: code {

: color: green;

: font-family: monospace;

: font-weight: bold;

: }

:

:

: .bad  {

: border: solid red;

: border-width: 2px;

: margin-left: 0;

: margin-right: 5%;

: color: rgb(192, 101, 101);

: }

:

: img {

: color: white;

: border: none;

: }

:

: div.navbar { text-align: center; }

: div.contents {

: background-color: rgb(204,204,255);

: padding: 0.5em;

: border: none;

: margin-right: 5%;

: }

: .tocline { list-style: none; }

: table.exceptions { background-color: rgb(255,255,153); }

: </style>

:

: /Brent

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

: Sent: 18 February 2002 16:04

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: I'm saying that if you at least conform to the standards that all you have

: to do is add a

: <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN"

: "DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">

:

: right before the root <html> and your documents become XHTML...

: They can then be treated like any other XML document, because they're well

: formed.

: <IMG SRC="images/myimage.gif">

: becomes

: <img src="images/myimage.gif" />

:

: and so forth..

:

: any XML parser will handle a valid XHTML file-

: make it an XSL or CSS for whatever device you want to output and it (in

: theory) that simple...

:

: As far as putting your CSS in your head-

: If your going public whith your site- and your at all worried about things

: like search engine placement, you need to go the otehr way...

: A lot of bots only search so deep into your HTML- putting a lot in your

head

: increases the chances that the meat of your page won't ever get crawled.

:

: Also-

: Its good practice to keep the display of your document separted from the

: data as much as possible, see the comments about why XHTML for my

reasons..

:

: Heres what I do...

: <head>

: <!--my meta tags and such --?

: <script language="javascript>

: /* client side sniffer goes here */

: if(isIE4)

: document.write('<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="../IE4.css"

: />')

: if(isNS)

: document.write('<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="../NS.css"

/>')

: if(Generic)

: document.write('<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="../GEN.css"

: />')

: </script>

: </head>

:

:

: That way the vast majority of my display is totally separate from my

: content- the way HTML is "supposed" to be written...

:

: Take a look... I STRONGLY believe that all html should be handled this

: way--- its how it was ment to be from the get go..

:

: Then along came NS composer and FP and everyone for got that HTML is

: supposed to carry data- not display it...

: displayig is for CSS or XSL...

:

: anyway, i doubt anyone but brent is reading this (maybe Dan too)

: so I'll shut up..

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 10:49 AM

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: So your saying that HTML will become XHTML?

:

: That way when you get blind people in

: your company- all you need to do is make a new CSS and bingo! They can

talk

: to your app- or PDA's..

:

: Could you go into a little more depth here cos I'm the one whos being

stupid

: now!

:

: Interestingly enought, I don't use CSS anymore!  I add whatever styles I

: think

: is necessary in the <HEAD>.

:

: Cheers

: /Brent

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

: Sent: 18 February 2002 15:44

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: XHTML is the way to write your HMTL. That way when you get blind people in

: your company- all you need to do is make a new CSS and bingo! They can

talk

: to your app- or PDA's...

:

: I Quote

: http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/#why

:

: "Alternate ways of accessing the Internet are constantly being introduced.

: Some estimates indicate that by the year 2002, 75% of Internet document

: viewing will be carried out on these alternate platforms. The XHTML family

: is designed with general user agent interoperability in mind. Through a

new

: user agent and document profiling mechanism, servers, proxies, and user

: agents will be able to perform best effort content transformation.

: Ultimately, it will be possible to develop XHTML-conforming content that

is

: usable by any XHTML-conforming user agent"

:

: YES I KNOW ITS 2002, but STILL!!!

:

:

: with that in mind...

: go here...

: http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/#diffs

:

:

: :o)

: 15 foot jumper nuthin but da bottum....

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 10:38 AM

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: I've just waded through about 4 pages of jargon and found absolutely

: nothing of worthwhile from the infamouse w3 website!

:

: I must conclude then that I was either looking in the wrong place

: or that it is far to late or that it is far too late and I was looking

: in the wrong place!

:

: ....UCASE stays I'm afraid...but thanks for the warning...I will keep

: it in mind, I've stopped usnig the <CENTER> tags now - mostly because

: its not that hard to do the same job another way!

:

: cheers

: Brent

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: Sent: 18 February 2002 15:10

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: same here

:

: --

: -----------------------------

: Daniel O'Dorisio

: daniel@o...

: www.odorisio-networks.com

: -----------------------------

: "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

: news:147528@a..._forms...

: :

: : UCase tags are bad...

: : Get over them, the day will come when they won't work at all...

: :

: : I used to be the same way.

: : Then I started going to W3.org to check out stuff...

: : changed me right quick like..

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:53 AM

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : You've been watching too much Top Gun!

: :

: : /Brent

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

: : Sent: 18 February 2002 14:35

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : wasn't at work...

: : was at home.

: : We do have a softball league and We're having some picnic with a V-Ball

: : tourney...

: : V-Ball is my first love too- palyed that yesterday too...

: :

: : Getting hired here is like pulling teeth man- Government is cutting

: : funding.. boeing is laying off...

: : Kinda ugly- I'm a contractor too- got no promises that I get to stay-

: :

: : My Resume is up to date....

: :

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Locke, Darrell (FCS/SFC) [mailto:Darrell.Locke@g...]

: : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:31 AM

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : So who is going to hook me up in a job over there?? You guys have too

much

: : fun. B-ball, and stuff.  Sounds fun!

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: : Sent: February 18, 2002 10:30 AM

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: : lol

: :

: : The last time I played B-Ball was at a camp when I was hit by major

cramp.

: : I did a massive jump, hooked the ball into the net before falling on the

: : floor writhing around in pain....at least the ball went in!

: :

: : I hate cramp!  its a nightmare!

: :

: : /Brent

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

: : Sent: 18 February 2002 14:22

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : LOL...

: : we don't have another bout here, do we???

: :

: : I'm actually working today, so I can't write a new stored procedure to

: score

: : it...

: : but I'll gladly be a spectator...

: :

: : Dan,

: : I played som b-ball yesterday... my knee is killing me!

: : About body slammed some guy 'cause he kept camping out in the paint. I

: mean

: : geez, it 'aint NBA out there, but you've gotta move every once in a

while

: : right???

: : 15 seconds???

: :

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:15 AM

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : Right - own up Danny....I'm getting closer and it looks like your

: : on dangerous coding grounds!

: :

: : Your not dragging and dropping your images from explorer into InterDev

: : are YOU???

: :

: : If you are then try adding file instead

: :

: : Cheers

: : Brent

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: : Sent: 18 February 2002 14:02

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : yeah im using vid6.. i really like intelletype.. maybe ill use homesite

: for

: : html, and vid6 for asp.. since homesite is a lil cheaper then vid.net..

: : lol.. ouch.. im not looking forward to a forced upgrade.. but anywayz..

: was

: : there a solution for vid.net?

: :

: : daniel

: :

: : --

: : -----------------------------

: : Daniel O'Dorisio

: : daniel@o...

: : www.odorisio-networks.com

: : -----------------------------

: : "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

: : news:147484@a..._forms...

: : :

: : : I've actually seen that prob on VID.net...

: : : but never 6, and I'm guessing thats what everyone's using...

: : :

: : : but VID.net does all the other "cool" stuff you talking about..

: : : adds clost tags, puts your cursor in the right place, and still has

: : : intelletype- which is the biggie in my mind...

: : : It also formats you html really nice, save you hitting the space tab 4

: : times

: : : if you've got an if in a table in a row in a column ;)

: : :

: : :

: : :

: : : -----Original Message-----

: : : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: : : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 8:45 AM

: : : To: ASP Forms

: : : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: : :

: : :

: : : i dont use design view.. please dont put me that low!!!! gosh.. lol..

no

: : but

: : : really.. i dont touch the design button.. but it does add thoes

: attributes

: : : automatically.. does it for yall? i mean it wont if i put one attrib

in

: : : there.. like

: : : <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla" name="blaimage" id="blaimage"

: : : width="2" />

: : : it wont touch it.. but if i do like:

: : : <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla name="blaimage" id="blaimage"/>

it

: : : turns it into:

: : : <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla" name="blaimage" id="blaimage" /

: : : WIDTH="32" HEIGHT="32">

: : : and that totally bombs the XHTML specs.. as well as ruins any

javascript

: : : rollovers i have..

: : :

: : : also have you guys checked out homesite??? woah.. it is pretty sweet..

i

: : : have been looking at it.. (im still looking either for a fix for VID,

or

: a

: : : new editor) and it automatically converts tags to lowercase, has lil

: : : utilities that make coding much easier, nice colorcoding.. HTML tag

: : : complete, the only thing is it dosnt support like the asp object code

: : : complete.. which is a bummer.. and the (tools->references) as brent

: likes

: : : isnt there.. but i dunno..

: : :

: : : daniel

: : :

: : : --

: : : -----------------------------

: : : Daniel O'Dorisio

: : : daniel@o...

: : : www.odorisio-networks.com

: : : -----------------------------

: : : "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

: : : news:147470@a..._forms...

: : : :

: : : : uh oh....

: : : : Brent and Elliott agree...

: : : : This is getting scary..

: : : :

: : : : daniel... you commited the cardnal sin.... and you're  very

fortunate

: : that

: : : : the gods of asp only saw fit to punish you with img height and width

: : : : properties.

: : : : I've seen far worse punishments....

: : : :

: : : : Interdev is the best I've ever used... unless you use the design

view-

: : if

: : : : you wanna do that, save yourself some money and buy frontpage...

: : : :

: : : : :o)

: : : : Elliott

: : : :

: : : : -----Original Message-----

: : : : From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: : : : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 7:54 AM

: : : : To: ASP Forms

: : : : Subject: [asp_forms] RE: editor choice

: : : :

: : : :

: : : : hello m8,

: : : :

: : : : I use visual interdev as well and its great so stick with it!

: However,

: : I

: : : : never ever ever ever never ever ever etc etc use the Design tab to

: build

: : : my

: : : : page.  I just enter the code using the Source tab and then right

click

: : and

: : : : select the View source in browser option!

: : : :

: : : : My boss uses the Design tab and its like Frontpage!  Crap!

: : : :

: : : : If you use the Design tab then it will add all sorts of stuff for

you

: : : : automatically!

: : : :

: : : : I think thats your problem although I have to admit to being

extremely

: : : : surprised if you are using the design tab and quick view tab!

: : : :

: : : : Cheers

: : : : Brent

: : : :

: : : :

: : : : -----Original Message-----

: : : : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: : : : Sent: 18 February 2002 12:26

: : : : To: ASP Forms

: : : : Subject: [asp_forms] editor choice

: : : :

: : : :

: : : : friends and fellow asp coders...

: : : :

: : : : i am using visual interdev since it was given to me.. but i am

running

: : : into

: : : : a problem. it adds the width and height attributes to the images

: : : : automatically, that is all fine and dandy until you are using

: javascript

: : : to

: : : : change thoes images.. i mean i could write more script and have

: : javascript

: : : : change the width andheight attributes to reflect the image.. but i

: dont

: : : : really want to.. anywayz.. i mainly dont like the idea of VID

changing

: : my

: : : : content on me.. that isnt a good editor.. so do any of yall know how

: to

: : : turn

: : : : this "feature" off or if not.. what editors do yall use that you

: like..

: : i

: : : : have tested homesite, and i think i like it!! but 100 bucks is 100

: : bucks..

: : : : then i also tried HTMLGate 2000 and that is ok.. except for the

color

: : : : coding.. i dont dig the all blue approach.. but what do you guys use

: : that

: : : : works and you like?

: : : :

: : : : thanks

: : : : daniel

: : : :

: : : : --

: : : : -----------------------------

: : : : Daniel O'Dorisio

: : : : daniel@o...

: : : : www.odorisio-networks.com

: : : : -----------------------------

: : : :

: : : :

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Message #67 by "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> on Tue, 19 Feb 2002 07:25:38 -0500
use id

not ID



:o)



-----Original Message-----

From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 7:23 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





I now have a postit note stuck on my monitor!



lowercase

""

<br /> 

ID

&amp;



The only other thing is matching your tags up but thats not anything

new...if you don't match the tags then its just bad coding!



/Brent



-----Original Message-----

From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

Sent: 19 February 2002 12:03

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





make sure your empty elements have close tags...

its <img src="images/mygif.gif" />

and <br />

...



-----Original Message-----

From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 6:28 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





lol - Well done danny :)



I copied and pasted that code from the w3 site itself :)



I figure if they still use it then its okay :P



a part from that my HTML is changing from UCASE to lcase :(



I will start appending the new line - 

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN"

"DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">



at the top of my page....thankfully everything else stays the same!



I guess the only other thing I need to look at then is the xln forms!



life changes...and so does code!



/Brent



-----Original Message-----

From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

Sent: 19 February 2002 11:14

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





yeah.. have the css load one time rather then having extra code in every

page.. and its easier.. i know you can just cut and paste.. but all you have

to cut and paste is a lil stylesheet link.



daniel



--

-----------------------------

Daniel O'Dorisio

daniel@o...

www.odorisio-networks.com

-----------------------------

"Brent Latham" <Brent2@w...> wrote in message

news:147791@a..._forms...

:

: So you think things like that below should be put into a CSS file instead?

:

: <style type="text/css">

: span.term { font-style: italic; color: rgb(0, 0, 192) }

: code {

: color: green;

: font-family: monospace;

: font-weight: bold;

: }

:

:

: .bad  {

: border: solid red;

: border-width: 2px;

: margin-left: 0;

: margin-right: 5%;

: color: rgb(192, 101, 101);

: }

:

: img {

: color: white;

: border: none;

: }

:

: div.navbar { text-align: center; }

: div.contents {

: background-color: rgb(204,204,255);

: padding: 0.5em;

: border: none;

: margin-right: 5%;

: }

: .tocline { list-style: none; }

: table.exceptions { background-color: rgb(255,255,153); }

: </style>

:

: /Brent

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

: Sent: 18 February 2002 16:04

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: I'm saying that if you at least conform to the standards that all you have

: to do is add a

: <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN"

: "DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">

:

: right before the root <html> and your documents become XHTML...

: They can then be treated like any other XML document, because they're well

: formed.

: <IMG SRC="images/myimage.gif">

: becomes

: <img src="images/myimage.gif" />

:

: and so forth..

:

: any XML parser will handle a valid XHTML file-

: make it an XSL or CSS for whatever device you want to output and it (in

: theory) that simple...

:

: As far as putting your CSS in your head-

: If your going public whith your site- and your at all worried about things

: like search engine placement, you need to go the otehr way...

: A lot of bots only search so deep into your HTML- putting a lot in your

head

: increases the chances that the meat of your page won't ever get crawled.

:

: Also-

: Its good practice to keep the display of your document separted from the

: data as much as possible, see the comments about why XHTML for my

reasons..

:

: Heres what I do...

: <head>

: <!--my meta tags and such --?

: <script language="javascript>

: /* client side sniffer goes here */

: if(isIE4)

: document.write('<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="../IE4.css"

: />')

: if(isNS)

: document.write('<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="../NS.css"

/>')

: if(Generic)

: document.write('<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="../GEN.css"

: />')

: </script>

: </head>

:

:

: That way the vast majority of my display is totally separate from my

: content- the way HTML is "supposed" to be written...

:

: Take a look... I STRONGLY believe that all html should be handled this

: way--- its how it was ment to be from the get go..

:

: Then along came NS composer and FP and everyone for got that HTML is

: supposed to carry data- not display it...

: displayig is for CSS or XSL...

:

: anyway, i doubt anyone but brent is reading this (maybe Dan too)

: so I'll shut up..

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 10:49 AM

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: So your saying that HTML will become XHTML?

:

: That way when you get blind people in

: your company- all you need to do is make a new CSS and bingo! They can

talk

: to your app- or PDA's..

:

: Could you go into a little more depth here cos I'm the one whos being

stupid

: now!

:

: Interestingly enought, I don't use CSS anymore!  I add whatever styles I

: think

: is necessary in the <HEAD>.

:

: Cheers

: /Brent

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

: Sent: 18 February 2002 15:44

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: XHTML is the way to write your HMTL. That way when you get blind people in

: your company- all you need to do is make a new CSS and bingo! They can

talk

: to your app- or PDA's...

:

: I Quote

: http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/#why

:

: "Alternate ways of accessing the Internet are constantly being introduced.

: Some estimates indicate that by the year 2002, 75% of Internet document

: viewing will be carried out on these alternate platforms. The XHTML family

: is designed with general user agent interoperability in mind. Through a

new

: user agent and document profiling mechanism, servers, proxies, and user

: agents will be able to perform best effort content transformation.

: Ultimately, it will be possible to develop XHTML-conforming content that

is

: usable by any XHTML-conforming user agent"

:

: YES I KNOW ITS 2002, but STILL!!!

:

:

: with that in mind...

: go here...

: http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/#diffs

:

:

: :o)

: 15 foot jumper nuthin but da bottum....

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 10:38 AM

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: I've just waded through about 4 pages of jargon and found absolutely

: nothing of worthwhile from the infamouse w3 website!

:

: I must conclude then that I was either looking in the wrong place

: or that it is far to late or that it is far too late and I was looking

: in the wrong place!

:

: ....UCASE stays I'm afraid...but thanks for the warning...I will keep

: it in mind, I've stopped usnig the <CENTER> tags now - mostly because

: its not that hard to do the same job another way!

:

: cheers

: Brent

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: Sent: 18 February 2002 15:10

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: same here

:

: --

: -----------------------------

: Daniel O'Dorisio

: daniel@o...

: www.odorisio-networks.com

: -----------------------------

: "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

: news:147528@a..._forms...

: :

: : UCase tags are bad...

: : Get over them, the day will come when they won't work at all...

: :

: : I used to be the same way.

: : Then I started going to W3.org to check out stuff...

: : changed me right quick like..

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:53 AM

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : You've been watching too much Top Gun!

: :

: : /Brent

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

: : Sent: 18 February 2002 14:35

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : wasn't at work...

: : was at home.

: : We do have a softball league and We're having some picnic with a V-Ball

: : tourney...

: : V-Ball is my first love too- palyed that yesterday too...

: :

: : Getting hired here is like pulling teeth man- Government is cutting

: : funding.. boeing is laying off...

: : Kinda ugly- I'm a contractor too- got no promises that I get to stay-

: :

: : My Resume is up to date....

: :

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Locke, Darrell (FCS/SFC) [mailto:Darrell.Locke@g...]

: : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:31 AM

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : So who is going to hook me up in a job over there?? You guys have too

much

: : fun. B-ball, and stuff.  Sounds fun!

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: : Sent: February 18, 2002 10:30 AM

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: : lol

: :

: : The last time I played B-Ball was at a camp when I was hit by major

cramp.

: : I did a massive jump, hooked the ball into the net before falling on the

: : floor writhing around in pain....at least the ball went in!

: :

: : I hate cramp!  its a nightmare!

: :

: : /Brent

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

: : Sent: 18 February 2002 14:22

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : LOL...

: : we don't have another bout here, do we???

: :

: : I'm actually working today, so I can't write a new stored procedure to

: score

: : it...

: : but I'll gladly be a spectator...

: :

: : Dan,

: : I played som b-ball yesterday... my knee is killing me!

: : About body slammed some guy 'cause he kept camping out in the paint. I

: mean

: : geez, it 'aint NBA out there, but you've gotta move every once in a

while

: : right???

: : 15 seconds???

: :

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:15 AM

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : Right - own up Danny....I'm getting closer and it looks like your

: : on dangerous coding grounds!

: :

: : Your not dragging and dropping your images from explorer into InterDev

: : are YOU???

: :

: : If you are then try adding file instead

: :

: : Cheers

: : Brent

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: : Sent: 18 February 2002 14:02

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : yeah im using vid6.. i really like intelletype.. maybe ill use homesite

: for

: : html, and vid6 for asp.. since homesite is a lil cheaper then vid.net..

: : lol.. ouch.. im not looking forward to a forced upgrade.. but anywayz..

: was

: : there a solution for vid.net?

: :

: : daniel

: :

: : --

: : -----------------------------

: : Daniel O'Dorisio

: : daniel@o...

: : www.odorisio-networks.com

: : -----------------------------

: : "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

: : news:147484@a..._forms...

: : :

: : : I've actually seen that prob on VID.net...

: : : but never 6, and I'm guessing thats what everyone's using...

: : :

: : : but VID.net does all the other "cool" stuff you talking about..

: : : adds clost tags, puts your cursor in the right place, and still has

: : : intelletype- which is the biggie in my mind...

: : : It also formats you html really nice, save you hitting the space tab 4

: : times

: : : if you've got an if in a table in a row in a column ;)

: : :

: : :

: : :

: : : -----Original Message-----

: : : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: : : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 8:45 AM

: : : To: ASP Forms

: : : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: : :

: : :

: : : i dont use design view.. please dont put me that low!!!! gosh.. lol..

no

: : but

: : : really.. i dont touch the design button.. but it does add thoes

: attributes

: : : automatically.. does it for yall? i mean it wont if i put one attrib

in

: : : there.. like

: : : <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla" name="blaimage" id="blaimage"

: : : width="2" />

: : : it wont touch it.. but if i do like:

: : : <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla name="blaimage" id="blaimage"/>

it

: : : turns it into:

: : : <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla" name="blaimage" id="blaimage" /

: : : WIDTH="32" HEIGHT="32">

: : : and that totally bombs the XHTML specs.. as well as ruins any

javascript

: : : rollovers i have..

: : :

: : : also have you guys checked out homesite??? woah.. it is pretty sweet..

i

: : : have been looking at it.. (im still looking either for a fix for VID,

or

: a

: : : new editor) and it automatically converts tags to lowercase, has lil

: : : utilities that make coding much easier, nice colorcoding.. HTML tag

: : : complete, the only thing is it dosnt support like the asp object code

: : : complete.. which is a bummer.. and the (tools->references) as brent

: likes

: : : isnt there.. but i dunno..

: : :

: : : daniel

: : :

: : : --

: : : -----------------------------

: : : Daniel O'Dorisio

: : : daniel@o...

: : : www.odorisio-networks.com

: : : -----------------------------

: : : "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

: : : news:147470@a..._forms...

: : : :

: : : : uh oh....

: : : : Brent and Elliott agree...

: : : : This is getting scary..

: : : :

: : : : daniel... you commited the cardnal sin.... and you're  very

fortunate

: : that

: : : : the gods of asp only saw fit to punish you with img height and width

: : : : properties.

: : : : I've seen far worse punishments....

: : : :

: : : : Interdev is the best I've ever used... unless you use the design

view-

: : if

: : : : you wanna do that, save yourself some money and buy frontpage...

: : : :

: : : : :o)

: : : : Elliott

: : : :

: : : : -----Original Message-----

: : : : From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: : : : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 7:54 AM

: : : : To: ASP Forms

: : : : Subject: [asp_forms] RE: editor choice

: : : :

: : : :

: : : : hello m8,

: : : :

: : : : I use visual interdev as well and its great so stick with it!

: However,

: : I

: : : : never ever ever ever never ever ever etc etc use the Design tab to

: build

: : : my

: : : : page.  I just enter the code using the Source tab and then right

click

: : and

: : : : select the View source in browser option!

: : : :

: : : : My boss uses the Design tab and its like Frontpage!  Crap!

: : : :

: : : : If you use the Design tab then it will add all sorts of stuff for

you

: : : : automatically!

: : : :

: : : : I think thats your problem although I have to admit to being

extremely

: : : : surprised if you are using the design tab and quick view tab!

: : : :

: : : : Cheers

: : : : Brent

: : : :

: : : :

: : : : -----Original Message-----

: : : : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: : : : Sent: 18 February 2002 12:26

: : : : To: ASP Forms

: : : : Subject: [asp_forms] editor choice

: : : :

: : : :

: : : : friends and fellow asp coders...

: : : :

: : : : i am using visual interdev since it was given to me.. but i am

running

: : : into

: : : : a problem. it adds the width and height attributes to the images

: : : : automatically, that is all fine and dandy until you are using

: javascript

: : : to

: : : : change thoes images.. i mean i could write more script and have

: : javascript

: : : : change the width andheight attributes to reflect the image.. but i

: dont

: : : : really want to.. anywayz.. i mainly dont like the idea of VID

changing

: : my

: : : : content on me.. that isnt a good editor.. so do any of yall know how

: to

: : : turn

: : : : this "feature" off or if not.. what editors do yall use that you

: like..

: : i

: : : : have tested homesite, and i think i like it!! but 100 bucks is 100

: : bucks..

: : : : then i also tried HTMLGate 2000 and that is ok.. except for the

color

: : : : coding.. i dont dig the all blue approach.. but what do you guys use

: : that

: : : : works and you like?

: : : :

: : : : thanks

: : : : daniel

: : : :

: : : : --

: : : : -----------------------------

: : : : Daniel O'Dorisio

: : : : daniel@o...

: : : : www.odorisio-networks.com

: : : : -----------------------------

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Message #68 by Brent Latham <Brent2@w...> on Tue, 19 Feb 2002 12:29:32 -0000
ROFL!



its going to be harder than I thought, I obviously need a white board not a

postit!



think lowercase think lowercase



/Brent



-----Original Message-----

From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

Sent: 19 February 2002 12:26

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





use id

not ID



:o)



-----Original Message-----

From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 7:23 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





I now have a postit note stuck on my monitor!



lowercase

""

<br /> 

ID

&amp;



The only other thing is matching your tags up but thats not anything

new...if you don't match the tags then its just bad coding!



/Brent



-----Original Message-----

From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

Sent: 19 February 2002 12:03

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





make sure your empty elements have close tags...

its <img src="images/mygif.gif" />

and <br />

...



-----Original Message-----

From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 6:28 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





lol - Well done danny :)



I copied and pasted that code from the w3 site itself :)



I figure if they still use it then its okay :P



a part from that my HTML is changing from UCASE to lcase :(



I will start appending the new line - 

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN"

"DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">



at the top of my page....thankfully everything else stays the same!



I guess the only other thing I need to look at then is the xln forms!



life changes...and so does code!



/Brent



-----Original Message-----

From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

Sent: 19 February 2002 11:14

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





yeah.. have the css load one time rather then having extra code in every

page.. and its easier.. i know you can just cut and paste.. but all you have

to cut and paste is a lil stylesheet link.



daniel



--

-----------------------------

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daniel@o...

www.odorisio-networks.com

-----------------------------

"Brent Latham" <Brent2@w...> wrote in message

news:147791@a..._forms...

:

: So you think things like that below should be put into a CSS file instead?

:

: <style type="text/css">

: span.term { font-style: italic; color: rgb(0, 0, 192) }

: code {

: color: green;

: font-family: monospace;

: font-weight: bold;

: }

:

:

: .bad  {

: border: solid red;

: border-width: 2px;

: margin-left: 0;

: margin-right: 5%;

: color: rgb(192, 101, 101);

: }

:

: img {

: color: white;

: border: none;

: }

:

: div.navbar { text-align: center; }

: div.contents {

: background-color: rgb(204,204,255);

: padding: 0.5em;

: border: none;

: margin-right: 5%;

: }

: .tocline { list-style: none; }

: table.exceptions { background-color: rgb(255,255,153); }

: </style>

:

: /Brent

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

: Sent: 18 February 2002 16:04

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: I'm saying that if you at least conform to the standards that all you have

: to do is add a

: <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN"

: "DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">

:

: right before the root <html> and your documents become XHTML...

: They can then be treated like any other XML document, because they're well

: formed.

: <IMG SRC="images/myimage.gif">

: becomes

: <img src="images/myimage.gif" />

:

: and so forth..

:

: any XML parser will handle a valid XHTML file-

: make it an XSL or CSS for whatever device you want to output and it (in

: theory) that simple...

:

: As far as putting your CSS in your head-

: If your going public whith your site- and your at all worried about things

: like search engine placement, you need to go the otehr way...

: A lot of bots only search so deep into your HTML- putting a lot in your

head

: increases the chances that the meat of your page won't ever get crawled.

:

: Also-

: Its good practice to keep the display of your document separted from the

: data as much as possible, see the comments about why XHTML for my

reasons..

:

: Heres what I do...

: <head>

: <!--my meta tags and such --?

: <script language="javascript>

: /* client side sniffer goes here */

: if(isIE4)

: document.write('<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="../IE4.css"

: />')

: if(isNS)

: document.write('<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="../NS.css"

/>')

: if(Generic)

: document.write('<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="../GEN.css"

: />')

: </script>

: </head>

:

:

: That way the vast majority of my display is totally separate from my

: content- the way HTML is "supposed" to be written...

:

: Take a look... I STRONGLY believe that all html should be handled this

: way--- its how it was ment to be from the get go..

:

: Then along came NS composer and FP and everyone for got that HTML is

: supposed to carry data- not display it...

: displayig is for CSS or XSL...

:

: anyway, i doubt anyone but brent is reading this (maybe Dan too)

: so I'll shut up..

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 10:49 AM

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: So your saying that HTML will become XHTML?

:

: That way when you get blind people in

: your company- all you need to do is make a new CSS and bingo! They can

talk

: to your app- or PDA's..

:

: Could you go into a little more depth here cos I'm the one whos being

stupid

: now!

:

: Interestingly enought, I don't use CSS anymore!  I add whatever styles I

: think

: is necessary in the <HEAD>.

:

: Cheers

: /Brent

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

: Sent: 18 February 2002 15:44

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: XHTML is the way to write your HMTL. That way when you get blind people in

: your company- all you need to do is make a new CSS and bingo! They can

talk

: to your app- or PDA's...

:

: I Quote

: http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/#why

:

: "Alternate ways of accessing the Internet are constantly being introduced.

: Some estimates indicate that by the year 2002, 75% of Internet document

: viewing will be carried out on these alternate platforms. The XHTML family

: is designed with general user agent interoperability in mind. Through a

new

: user agent and document profiling mechanism, servers, proxies, and user

: agents will be able to perform best effort content transformation.

: Ultimately, it will be possible to develop XHTML-conforming content that

is

: usable by any XHTML-conforming user agent"

:

: YES I KNOW ITS 2002, but STILL!!!

:

:

: with that in mind...

: go here...

: http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/#diffs

:

:

: :o)

: 15 foot jumper nuthin but da bottum....

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 10:38 AM

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: I've just waded through about 4 pages of jargon and found absolutely

: nothing of worthwhile from the infamouse w3 website!

:

: I must conclude then that I was either looking in the wrong place

: or that it is far to late or that it is far too late and I was looking

: in the wrong place!

:

: ....UCASE stays I'm afraid...but thanks for the warning...I will keep

: it in mind, I've stopped usnig the <CENTER> tags now - mostly because

: its not that hard to do the same job another way!

:

: cheers

: Brent

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: Sent: 18 February 2002 15:10

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: same here

:

: --

: -----------------------------

: Daniel O'Dorisio

: daniel@o...

: www.odorisio-networks.com

: -----------------------------

: "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

: news:147528@a..._forms...

: :

: : UCase tags are bad...

: : Get over them, the day will come when they won't work at all...

: :

: : I used to be the same way.

: : Then I started going to W3.org to check out stuff...

: : changed me right quick like..

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:53 AM

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : You've been watching too much Top Gun!

: :

: : /Brent

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

: : Sent: 18 February 2002 14:35

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : wasn't at work...

: : was at home.

: : We do have a softball league and We're having some picnic with a V-Ball

: : tourney...

: : V-Ball is my first love too- palyed that yesterday too...

: :

: : Getting hired here is like pulling teeth man- Government is cutting

: : funding.. boeing is laying off...

: : Kinda ugly- I'm a contractor too- got no promises that I get to stay-

: :

: : My Resume is up to date....

: :

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Locke, Darrell (FCS/SFC) [mailto:Darrell.Locke@g...]

: : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:31 AM

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : So who is going to hook me up in a job over there?? You guys have too

much

: : fun. B-ball, and stuff.  Sounds fun!

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: : Sent: February 18, 2002 10:30 AM

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: : lol

: :

: : The last time I played B-Ball was at a camp when I was hit by major

cramp.

: : I did a massive jump, hooked the ball into the net before falling on the

: : floor writhing around in pain....at least the ball went in!

: :

: : I hate cramp!  its a nightmare!

: :

: : /Brent

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

: : Sent: 18 February 2002 14:22

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : LOL...

: : we don't have another bout here, do we???

: :

: : I'm actually working today, so I can't write a new stored procedure to

: score

: : it...

: : but I'll gladly be a spectator...

: :

: : Dan,

: : I played som b-ball yesterday... my knee is killing me!

: : About body slammed some guy 'cause he kept camping out in the paint. I

: mean

: : geez, it 'aint NBA out there, but you've gotta move every once in a

while

: : right???

: : 15 seconds???

: :

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:15 AM

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : Right - own up Danny....I'm getting closer and it looks like your

: : on dangerous coding grounds!

: :

: : Your not dragging and dropping your images from explorer into InterDev

: : are YOU???

: :

: : If you are then try adding file instead

: :

: : Cheers

: : Brent

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: : Sent: 18 February 2002 14:02

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : yeah im using vid6.. i really like intelletype.. maybe ill use homesite

: for

: : html, and vid6 for asp.. since homesite is a lil cheaper then vid.net..

: : lol.. ouch.. im not looking forward to a forced upgrade.. but anywayz..

: was

: : there a solution for vid.net?

: :

: : daniel

: :

: : --

: : -----------------------------

: : Daniel O'Dorisio

: : daniel@o...

: : www.odorisio-networks.com

: : -----------------------------

: : "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

: : news:147484@a..._forms...

: : :

: : : I've actually seen that prob on VID.net...

: : : but never 6, and I'm guessing thats what everyone's using...

: : :

: : : but VID.net does all the other "cool" stuff you talking about..

: : : adds clost tags, puts your cursor in the right place, and still has

: : : intelletype- which is the biggie in my mind...

: : : It also formats you html really nice, save you hitting the space tab 4

: : times

: : : if you've got an if in a table in a row in a column ;)

: : :

: : :

: : :

: : : -----Original Message-----

: : : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: : : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 8:45 AM

: : : To: ASP Forms

: : : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: : :

: : :

: : : i dont use design view.. please dont put me that low!!!! gosh.. lol..

no

: : but

: : : really.. i dont touch the design button.. but it does add thoes

: attributes

: : : automatically.. does it for yall? i mean it wont if i put one attrib

in

: : : there.. like

: : : <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla" name="blaimage" id="blaimage"

: : : width="2" />

: : : it wont touch it.. but if i do like:

: : : <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla name="blaimage" id="blaimage"/>

it

: : : turns it into:

: : : <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla" name="blaimage" id="blaimage" /

: : : WIDTH="32" HEIGHT="32">

: : : and that totally bombs the XHTML specs.. as well as ruins any

javascript

: : : rollovers i have..

: : :

: : : also have you guys checked out homesite??? woah.. it is pretty sweet..

i

: : : have been looking at it.. (im still looking either for a fix for VID,

or

: a

: : : new editor) and it automatically converts tags to lowercase, has lil

: : : utilities that make coding much easier, nice colorcoding.. HTML tag

: : : complete, the only thing is it dosnt support like the asp object code

: : : complete.. which is a bummer.. and the (tools->references) as brent

: likes

: : : isnt there.. but i dunno..

: : :

: : : daniel

: : :

: : : --

: : : -----------------------------

: : : Daniel O'Dorisio

: : : daniel@o...

: : : www.odorisio-networks.com

: : : -----------------------------

: : : "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

: : : news:147470@a..._forms...

: : : :

: : : : uh oh....

: : : : Brent and Elliott agree...

: : : : This is getting scary..

: : : :

: : : : daniel... you commited the cardnal sin.... and you're  very

fortunate

: : that

: : : : the gods of asp only saw fit to punish you with img height and width

: : : : properties.

: : : : I've seen far worse punishments....

: : : :

: : : : Interdev is the best I've ever used... unless you use the design

view-

: : if

: : : : you wanna do that, save yourself some money and buy frontpage...

: : : :

: : : : :o)

: : : : Elliott

: : : :

: : : : -----Original Message-----

: : : : From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: : : : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 7:54 AM

: : : : To: ASP Forms

: : : : Subject: [asp_forms] RE: editor choice

: : : :

: : : :

: : : : hello m8,

: : : :

: : : : I use visual interdev as well and its great so stick with it!

: However,

: : I

: : : : never ever ever ever never ever ever etc etc use the Design tab to

: build

: : : my

: : : : page.  I just enter the code using the Source tab and then right

click

: : and

: : : : select the View source in browser option!

: : : :

: : : : My boss uses the Design tab and its like Frontpage!  Crap!

: : : :

: : : : If you use the Design tab then it will add all sorts of stuff for

you

: : : : automatically!

: : : :

: : : : I think thats your problem although I have to admit to being

extremely

: : : : surprised if you are using the design tab and quick view tab!

: : : :

: : : : Cheers

: : : : Brent

: : : :

: : : :

: : : : -----Original Message-----

: : : : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: : : : Sent: 18 February 2002 12:26

: : : : To: ASP Forms

: : : : Subject: [asp_forms] editor choice

: : : :

: : : :

: : : : friends and fellow asp coders...

: : : :

: : : : i am using visual interdev since it was given to me.. but i am

running

: : : into

: : : : a problem. it adds the width and height attributes to the images

: : : : automatically, that is all fine and dandy until you are using

: javascript

: : : to

: : : : change thoes images.. i mean i could write more script and have

: : javascript

: : : : change the width andheight attributes to reflect the image.. but i

: dont

: : : : really want to.. anywayz.. i mainly dont like the idea of VID

changing

: : my

: : : : content on me.. that isnt a good editor.. so do any of yall know how

: to

: : : turn

: : : : this "feature" off or if not.. what editors do yall use that you

: like..

: : i

: : : : have tested homesite, and i think i like it!! but 100 bucks is 100

: : bucks..

: : : : then i also tried HTMLGate 2000 and that is ok.. except for the

color

: : : : coding.. i dont dig the all blue approach.. but what do you guys use

: : that

: : : : works and you like?

: : : :

: : : : thanks

: : : : daniel

: : : :

: : : : --

: : : : -----------------------------

: : : : Daniel O'Dorisio

: : : : daniel@o...

: : : : www.odorisio-networks.com

: : : : -----------------------------

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Message #69 by "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> on Tue, 19 Feb 2002 07:52:58 -0500
do what i did...

just to test one of your pages...



Response.ContentType = "text/xml"



see how IE's XML parser handles it....



always a good test....



I did that a few times just to check my tags and everything...



-----Original Message-----

From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 7:05 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





thanks for the reminder about that!



I'm on the case m8 believe me....



Cheers

Brent



-----Original Message-----

From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

Sent: 19 February 2002 12:03

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





make sure your empty elements have close tags...

its <img src="images/mygif.gif" />

and <br />

...



-----Original Message-----

From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 6:28 AM

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





lol - Well done danny :)



I copied and pasted that code from the w3 site itself :)



I figure if they still use it then its okay :P



a part from that my HTML is changing from UCASE to lcase :(



I will start appending the new line - 

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN"

"DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">



at the top of my page....thankfully everything else stays the same!



I guess the only other thing I need to look at then is the xln forms!



life changes...and so does code!



/Brent



-----Original Message-----

From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

Sent: 19 February 2002 11:14

To: ASP Forms

Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice





yeah.. have the css load one time rather then having extra code in every

page.. and its easier.. i know you can just cut and paste.. but all you have

to cut and paste is a lil stylesheet link.



daniel



--

-----------------------------

Daniel O'Dorisio

daniel@o...

www.odorisio-networks.com

-----------------------------

"Brent Latham" <Brent2@w...> wrote in message

news:147791@a..._forms...

:

: So you think things like that below should be put into a CSS file instead?

:

: <style type="text/css">

: span.term { font-style: italic; color: rgb(0, 0, 192) }

: code {

: color: green;

: font-family: monospace;

: font-weight: bold;

: }

:

:

: .bad  {

: border: solid red;

: border-width: 2px;

: margin-left: 0;

: margin-right: 5%;

: color: rgb(192, 101, 101);

: }

:

: img {

: color: white;

: border: none;

: }

:

: div.navbar { text-align: center; }

: div.contents {

: background-color: rgb(204,204,255);

: padding: 0.5em;

: border: none;

: margin-right: 5%;

: }

: .tocline { list-style: none; }

: table.exceptions { background-color: rgb(255,255,153); }

: </style>

:

: /Brent

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

: Sent: 18 February 2002 16:04

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: I'm saying that if you at least conform to the standards that all you have

: to do is add a

: <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN"

: "DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">

:

: right before the root <html> and your documents become XHTML...

: They can then be treated like any other XML document, because they're well

: formed.

: <IMG SRC="images/myimage.gif">

: becomes

: <img src="images/myimage.gif" />

:

: and so forth..

:

: any XML parser will handle a valid XHTML file-

: make it an XSL or CSS for whatever device you want to output and it (in

: theory) that simple...

:

: As far as putting your CSS in your head-

: If your going public whith your site- and your at all worried about things

: like search engine placement, you need to go the otehr way...

: A lot of bots only search so deep into your HTML- putting a lot in your

head

: increases the chances that the meat of your page won't ever get crawled.

:

: Also-

: Its good practice to keep the display of your document separted from the

: data as much as possible, see the comments about why XHTML for my

reasons..

:

: Heres what I do...

: <head>

: <!--my meta tags and such --?

: <script language="javascript>

: /* client side sniffer goes here */

: if(isIE4)

: document.write('<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="../IE4.css"

: />')

: if(isNS)

: document.write('<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="../NS.css"

/>')

: if(Generic)

: document.write('<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="../GEN.css"

: />')

: </script>

: </head>

:

:

: That way the vast majority of my display is totally separate from my

: content- the way HTML is "supposed" to be written...

:

: Take a look... I STRONGLY believe that all html should be handled this

: way--- its how it was ment to be from the get go..

:

: Then along came NS composer and FP and everyone for got that HTML is

: supposed to carry data- not display it...

: displayig is for CSS or XSL...

:

: anyway, i doubt anyone but brent is reading this (maybe Dan too)

: so I'll shut up..

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 10:49 AM

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: So your saying that HTML will become XHTML?

:

: That way when you get blind people in

: your company- all you need to do is make a new CSS and bingo! They can

talk

: to your app- or PDA's..

:

: Could you go into a little more depth here cos I'm the one whos being

stupid

: now!

:

: Interestingly enought, I don't use CSS anymore!  I add whatever styles I

: think

: is necessary in the <HEAD>.

:

: Cheers

: /Brent

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

: Sent: 18 February 2002 15:44

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: XHTML is the way to write your HMTL. That way when you get blind people in

: your company- all you need to do is make a new CSS and bingo! They can

talk

: to your app- or PDA's...

:

: I Quote

: http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/#why

:

: "Alternate ways of accessing the Internet are constantly being introduced.

: Some estimates indicate that by the year 2002, 75% of Internet document

: viewing will be carried out on these alternate platforms. The XHTML family

: is designed with general user agent interoperability in mind. Through a

new

: user agent and document profiling mechanism, servers, proxies, and user

: agents will be able to perform best effort content transformation.

: Ultimately, it will be possible to develop XHTML-conforming content that

is

: usable by any XHTML-conforming user agent"

:

: YES I KNOW ITS 2002, but STILL!!!

:

:

: with that in mind...

: go here...

: http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/#diffs

:

:

: :o)

: 15 foot jumper nuthin but da bottum....

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 10:38 AM

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: I've just waded through about 4 pages of jargon and found absolutely

: nothing of worthwhile from the infamouse w3 website!

:

: I must conclude then that I was either looking in the wrong place

: or that it is far to late or that it is far too late and I was looking

: in the wrong place!

:

: ....UCASE stays I'm afraid...but thanks for the warning...I will keep

: it in mind, I've stopped usnig the <CENTER> tags now - mostly because

: its not that hard to do the same job another way!

:

: cheers

: Brent

:

: -----Original Message-----

: From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: Sent: 18 February 2002 15:10

: To: ASP Forms

: Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

:

:

: same here

:

: --

: -----------------------------

: Daniel O'Dorisio

: daniel@o...

: www.odorisio-networks.com

: -----------------------------

: "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

: news:147528@a..._forms...

: :

: : UCase tags are bad...

: : Get over them, the day will come when they won't work at all...

: :

: : I used to be the same way.

: : Then I started going to W3.org to check out stuff...

: : changed me right quick like..

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:53 AM

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : You've been watching too much Top Gun!

: :

: : /Brent

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

: : Sent: 18 February 2002 14:35

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : wasn't at work...

: : was at home.

: : We do have a softball league and We're having some picnic with a V-Ball

: : tourney...

: : V-Ball is my first love too- palyed that yesterday too...

: :

: : Getting hired here is like pulling teeth man- Government is cutting

: : funding.. boeing is laying off...

: : Kinda ugly- I'm a contractor too- got no promises that I get to stay-

: :

: : My Resume is up to date....

: :

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Locke, Darrell (FCS/SFC) [mailto:Darrell.Locke@g...]

: : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:31 AM

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : So who is going to hook me up in a job over there?? You guys have too

much

: : fun. B-ball, and stuff.  Sounds fun!

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: : Sent: February 18, 2002 10:30 AM

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: : lol

: :

: : The last time I played B-Ball was at a camp when I was hit by major

cramp.

: : I did a massive jump, hooked the ball into the net before falling on the

: : floor writhing around in pain....at least the ball went in!

: :

: : I hate cramp!  its a nightmare!

: :

: : /Brent

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: O'Hara, Elliott M [mailto:EMOHARA@k...]

: : Sent: 18 February 2002 14:22

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : LOL...

: : we don't have another bout here, do we???

: :

: : I'm actually working today, so I can't write a new stored procedure to

: score

: : it...

: : but I'll gladly be a spectator...

: :

: : Dan,

: : I played som b-ball yesterday... my knee is killing me!

: : About body slammed some guy 'cause he kept camping out in the paint. I

: mean

: : geez, it 'aint NBA out there, but you've gotta move every once in a

while

: : right???

: : 15 seconds???

: :

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:15 AM

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : Right - own up Danny....I'm getting closer and it looks like your

: : on dangerous coding grounds!

: :

: : Your not dragging and dropping your images from explorer into InterDev

: : are YOU???

: :

: : If you are then try adding file instead

: :

: : Cheers

: : Brent

: :

: : -----Original Message-----

: : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: : Sent: 18 February 2002 14:02

: : To: ASP Forms

: : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: :

: :

: : yeah im using vid6.. i really like intelletype.. maybe ill use homesite

: for

: : html, and vid6 for asp.. since homesite is a lil cheaper then vid.net..

: : lol.. ouch.. im not looking forward to a forced upgrade.. but anywayz..

: was

: : there a solution for vid.net?

: :

: : daniel

: :

: : --

: : -----------------------------

: : Daniel O'Dorisio

: : daniel@o...

: : www.odorisio-networks.com

: : -----------------------------

: : "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

: : news:147484@a..._forms...

: : :

: : : I've actually seen that prob on VID.net...

: : : but never 6, and I'm guessing thats what everyone's using...

: : :

: : : but VID.net does all the other "cool" stuff you talking about..

: : : adds clost tags, puts your cursor in the right place, and still has

: : : intelletype- which is the biggie in my mind...

: : : It also formats you html really nice, save you hitting the space tab 4

: : times

: : : if you've got an if in a table in a row in a column ;)

: : :

: : :

: : :

: : : -----Original Message-----

: : : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: : : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 8:45 AM

: : : To: ASP Forms

: : : Subject: [asp_forms] Re: editor choice

: : :

: : :

: : : i dont use design view.. please dont put me that low!!!! gosh.. lol..

no

: : but

: : : really.. i dont touch the design button.. but it does add thoes

: attributes

: : : automatically.. does it for yall? i mean it wont if i put one attrib

in

: : : there.. like

: : : <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla" name="blaimage" id="blaimage"

: : : width="2" />

: : : it wont touch it.. but if i do like:

: : : <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla name="blaimage" id="blaimage"/>

it

: : : turns it into:

: : : <img src="bla.gif" alt="image of bla" name="blaimage" id="blaimage" /

: : : WIDTH="32" HEIGHT="32">

: : : and that totally bombs the XHTML specs.. as well as ruins any

javascript

: : : rollovers i have..

: : :

: : : also have you guys checked out homesite??? woah.. it is pretty sweet..

i

: : : have been looking at it.. (im still looking either for a fix for VID,

or

: a

: : : new editor) and it automatically converts tags to lowercase, has lil

: : : utilities that make coding much easier, nice colorcoding.. HTML tag

: : : complete, the only thing is it dosnt support like the asp object code

: : : complete.. which is a bummer.. and the (tools->references) as brent

: likes

: : : isnt there.. but i dunno..

: : :

: : : daniel

: : :

: : : --

: : : -----------------------------

: : : Daniel O'Dorisio

: : : daniel@o...

: : : www.odorisio-networks.com

: : : -----------------------------

: : : "O'Hara, Elliott M" <EMOHARA@k...> wrote in message

: : : news:147470@a..._forms...

: : : :

: : : : uh oh....

: : : : Brent and Elliott agree...

: : : : This is getting scary..

: : : :

: : : : daniel... you commited the cardnal sin.... and you're  very

fortunate

: : that

: : : : the gods of asp only saw fit to punish you with img height and width

: : : : properties.

: : : : I've seen far worse punishments....

: : : :

: : : : Interdev is the best I've ever used... unless you use the design

view-

: : if

: : : : you wanna do that, save yourself some money and buy frontpage...

: : : :

: : : : :o)

: : : : Elliott

: : : :

: : : : -----Original Message-----

: : : : From: Brent Latham [mailto:Brent2@w...]

: : : : Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 7:54 AM

: : : : To: ASP Forms

: : : : Subject: [asp_forms] RE: editor choice

: : : :

: : : :

: : : : hello m8,

: : : :

: : : : I use visual interdev as well and its great so stick with it!

: However,

: : I

: : : : never ever ever ever never ever ever etc etc use the Design tab to

: build

: : : my

: : : : page.  I just enter the code using the Source tab and then right

click

: : and

: : : : select the View source in browser option!

: : : :

: : : : My boss uses the Design tab and its like Frontpage!  Crap!

: : : :

: : : : If you use the Design tab then it will add all sorts of stuff for

you

: : : : automatically!

: : : :

: : : : I think thats your problem although I have to admit to being

extremely

: : : : surprised if you are using the design tab and quick view tab!

: : : :

: : : : Cheers

: : : : Brent

: : : :

: : : :

: : : : -----Original Message-----

: : : : From: Daniel [mailto:daniel@o...]

: : : : Sent: 18 February 2002 12:26

: : : : To: ASP Forms

: : : : Subject: [asp_forms] editor choice

: : : :

: : : :

: : : : friends and fellow asp coders...

: : : :

: : : : i am using visual interdev since it was given to me.. but i am

running

: : : into

: : : : a problem. it adds the width and height attributes to the images

: : : : automatically, that is all fine and dandy until you are using

: javascript

: : : to

: : : : change thoes images.. i mean i could write more script and have

: : javascript

: : : : change the width andheight attributes to reflect the image.. but i

: dont

: : : : really want to.. anywayz.. i mainly dont like the idea of VID

changing

: : my

: : : : content on me.. that isnt a good editor.. so do any of yall know how

: to

: : : turn

: : : : this "feature" off or if not.. what editors do yall use that you

: like..

: : i

: : : : have tested homesite, and i think i like it!! but 100 bucks is 100

: : bucks..

: : : : then i also tried HTMLGate 2000 and that is ok.. except for the

color

: : : : coding.. i dont dig the all blue approach.. but what do you guys use

: : that

: : : : works and you like?

: : : :

: : : : thanks

: : : : daniel

: : : :

: : : : --

: : : : -----------------------------

: : : : Daniel O'Dorisio

: : : : daniel@o...

: : : : www.odorisio-networks.com

: : : : -----------------------------

: : : :

: : : :

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