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I think I have a voodoo machine or something.....now it is working fine. I don't understand...didn't change anything. Thought maybe it was the access I granted to the user...changed it to owner and back to full membership and it works both ways, so that wasn't it. I am working on a Dev machine not sure if that has anything to do with it and using a Firefox browser, not IE. I appreciate all your help. I wish I knew what went wrong, in case it happens again. I do have a problem with the login control staying in logged in status when the browser is closed and then brought back up, still shows user logged in....that is not ideal. Also when log out and then hit the browsers back button, it will be logged in again.... Any ideas on that?