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BOOK: Professional SQL Server 2005 Programming ISBN: 0-7645-8434-0
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Old November 22nd, 2006, 04:50 PM
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Is the book content overlapped to "Beginning SQL Server 2005 Programming" ? I browsed the table of content and feel like it is.

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The answer to that, quite simply, is "yes". Overlapped is exactly what it is by design.

It was a difficult decision to make, so I attempted to address each audience. For the beginner, it has much of the older beginning level content as it was. The professional title is not really a replacement for the beginning title for someone that is a beginner for one simple reason: Completeness of discussion. While some of the actual prose is shared, you will find that the professional title is more targeted toward a "fill in the blanks" sort of model. It's meant to be a review instead of a introduction. All the "beginning" topics are, by and large, still there primarily for reference, however, things move along faster and entire areas of discussion are downright skipped. Likewise, the intermediate to advanced user can't really just get by on the beginning title as the depth that more advanced topics are addressed is considerably different. Some topics that are in the pro title are not in the beginning title at all. Even in the shared topics, you might find things like internal index layout being discussed in the pro title, but not in the beginning title.

The short rendition is that there is perhaps as much as 30% overlap between the titles, but, at the same time, they are seeking a different depth and each contains discussion that the other does not have. They are most definitely not the same book. If you're an intermediate to advanced SQL Server person, you would want to go straight to the pro title. The "new to SQL Server" person will want the depth of introduction found only in the beginning title, and that book should serve them will for the vast majority of their needs for the first 6 months to a year of working with SQL Server.

I hope that addresses the issue for you!

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Rob;

I have requested instructor copies of both your beginning and professional books. I'm an independent instructor who currently teaches for three different schools. I have been asked to prepare for a T-SQL class after the first of the year, and I'm unsure which of the books will be the most appropriate.

Since I found your book on SQL Server 2000 several years back it has always been my best resource on T-SQL.

I have been teaching a generic relational database course (from my own materials) which introduces both PL/SQL and T-SQL. The trigger structure is, of course, quite different. But in PL/SQL we are able to override and change values from INSERT and DELETE statements before the DML operation completes. For example, I teach students to force gender values ('m' & 'f') to upper case ('M', & 'F') before the lower case values can be rejected by a check constraint. This is done in PL/SQL, as you may know, by changing :NEW.gender in the trigger.

In PL/SQL we evaluate new/changed data by querying the INSERTED table. When I first learned this (from your book) I experimented with updating the INSERTED table. Occasionally the change would be carried to the final row image, but not often. I could find nothing in your book about changing values on-the-fly in a trigger. More than one of the MS SQL Server "gurus" I've met has said "oh, yeah... there's a way to do that". But none have ever gotten back to me with a solution. You are the foremost expert on SQL Server that I know of (because you can write a book on the subject that people can actually understand). Can you tell me if this is possible, and if so how it is done?


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