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More than 60 Wrox DRM-free ebooks available

Today we're thrilled to announce that Wrox has more than 60 first 24  DRM-free PDF ebooks are available for purchase from Wrox.com. Updated: We've been adding to this list of available DRM-free books for several months now. Please check back often for all the newest available books.

Here's the list of DRM-free ebooks available today:

When you buy one of these ebooks, please note that the Wrox ebook terms and conditions are all the way at the bottom of the "important ebook information page". At the bottom of the page you'll find this, which is what you want to read if you want to know more about our ebook PDF policies:

Wrox e-books sold from Wrox.com and Wiley.com are sold with different requirements and restrictions as described here.

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Chaim Krause (not verified)

I saw a tweet that you now have DRM-free PDFs. I came to this page directly, within 10 seconds of reading the tweet I had selected my book. I came here to support your decision with my money. Then I got to the shopping cart and see that your ebooks cost the same as your physically printed books. Needless to say, I didn't complete the purchase. Seems you have a bit to go to understand publishing ebooks. I'll go back to purchasing from other publishers that "get it".

Chaim: Didn't you use the discount code I gave at the beginning of the post: NODRM

to get 20% off the ebook price in your cart?

Chaim Krause (not verified)

Jim,

Yes, I see your generous offer of 20% off. But you appear to have missed my point. You have provided a temporary discount of 20% of the price off the dead tree edition. Apress sells their ebooks at 30% *every day* and Manning sells their ebooks at greater then 30% off *every day* and O'Reilly sells their's also at a 30% discount. So... I expected to see the 20% off an already 30% discounted price of the dead tree edition.

For example $49.99 dead tree, $34.99 ebook, $27.99 with your 20% off coupon.

So, although I am greatly appreciative that Wrox has chosen to go DRM-free with the ebooks, I am not inclined to vote with my money for a company who chooses to charge 30% more than for a competing product. (Especially since we all know the profit margin on an electronic book is much greater than the dead tree edition even taking into consideration a 30% off-the-top discount.)

I applaude Wrox for this endevour, but will choose to show my support via any purchases only when their prices are inline with products of similar quality available at other publishers.

(And to complete my opinion, I often wait until ebooks are 30%-50% off due to customer loyalty discounts or $10 "Deal of the Day" offers.)

Thank you for listening.

Roland (not verified)

I really appreciate Wrox joining the DRM free e-book publishers, I'm an avid reader of e-books in the technical area since the launch of the first e-readers with larger format screens (like the Irex Iliad).

But I have to agree with the points Chaim made. Even if there is a temporary discount, I do not think it will ever be successful to price e-books the same as paper editions. I also have bought a lot of e-books over the last years at the publishers in Chaim's list because the pricing is right and there are interesting discounts on top of that, think 2 for 3 or similar promotions.

And there's also the bizarre situation that the paper edition is even cheaper at some online stores than a discounted e-book. Take for example "Professional ASP.NET 3.5: In C# and VB". It is listed at Amazon for $34,64 at the moment. As an e-book edition I can get it from here with the introductory discount for roughly $44. So that's $10 more for a non physical item.

Please rethink your pricing of the electronic editions.

You can also check out this interesting blog entry from Andrew at O'Reilly: http://toc.oreilly.com/2010/01/2009-oreilly-ebook-revenue-up-104-percent...

 

Krasio (not verified)

OK, let's say the price is fair..but please do something about the bookmarks!

Have you ever tried to read ~500 pages PDF without bookmarks?

Chaim and Roland: Price is such a big issue I want to give it more of an airing. I'll post my more detailed thoughts on price in a new post next week and add a link to it here in the comments.

Krasio: Excellent point on bookmarks. I'm checking on that and will provide an update when I can.

Brent Ozar (not verified)

I'd definitely love to hear more about the pricing thoughts.  Considering that the production costs and distribution costs are lower than the dead-tree edition, I'm pretty stunned that the electronic edition would be $48 after discount codes.

Are you going to sell the PDF versions through Amazon and other online resellers?

Kraiso: It looks like we've just made a mistake in how the watermarking server app is configured. We're inputing bookmarked PDFs and getting output without bookmarks. I'm looking into getting that fixed hopefully as soon as next week. Thanks for pointing it out.

wraith808 (not verified)

1 question/1 comment

  1. What about those of us who have already purchased DRM-ed copies of your e-books?
  2. I agree with the whole thing about e-books should be less than dead tree copies.

It's for these reasons that I started looking at other publishers as my primary source of e-books, and that's trickled down to other books also.  One is satisfied- the other isn't.  Though I like to read books from a lot of different sources, since I've gone completely electronic, I've been buying less of Wrox than I formerly did.

Roland (not verified)

Finally I bought an ebook out of the offerings in the new DRM free format to check it out.

The bookmark issue is already known, so I think this will be fixed soon.

But I have never seen such a massive watermark on every page. Three lines of text which include my name, e-mail-adress and order number. It also obstructs the page numbers. If a watermark is neccessary for you, please make it unobtrusive.

Anonymous (not verified)

A simple watermark with purchaser email information on every page is sufficient. If the pdf is stolen and posted on the web the purchaser can be notified about the problem. In some cases, such as at work or in PC maintenance or repair, we might catch the culprit.

I hate paper books. I always prefer the pdf over paper version, but many of my friends have the opposite preference. There is likely a marketing curve to balance the ethical customers against the trend in some countries to pay nothing for IP copyrights.

I definitely purchase far fewer (<5%) DRM e-books (e.g. Adobe Digital Reader) than DRM free e-books. But, I prefer the paper book over DRM Adobe Digital Reader unless I need the electronic version on a consulting assignment.

Krasio (not verified)

Thanks, Jim.

It was a real struggle to explain this issue to Wrox tech support :(

Habibullah (not verified)

I used to purchase lot of printed books. I have thousands of books in my house. I literally own a library.  But then reality hit and I started losing my eye sight.  Recently I am buying more and more eBooks since it is easy to enlarge on screen or even zoom it with my special mouse :-)

I was one of the very first members of http://wrox.books24x7.com I ended up not renewing it after second year because of unnecessary restrictions i.e. not to read fast and not able to print.

At that time, I started looking for digital format.  I bought couple of eBooks in the beginning of eBook era and regret it immediately because of DRM.  Yes, there may be unethical people out there but I don't like the idea to get punished for those people.

I have bought literally hundreds of book from O'Riely, SitePoints and Apress because of heavy discounts on eBooks. I especially love Apress' daily deal at http://www.apress.com/info/dailydeal for $10 bucks only.

During past Chrismas SitePoint had 10 days promotion.  I bought every single eBook from them.

Yes, Wrox books are great but for such a higher price, it may not worth, especially with evolution of Internet, experience programmers may not need books any more.

Moral of story is, if you like to stay alive in this competing society you have to offer more or less same discounts other offers.

I sincerely appreciate the no DRM eBook idea.  But the same time, I do appreciate the fair pricing on eBook as well.

Krasio: The missing bookmarks issue has been solved and fixed. It turns out the bookmarks were present in the source PDFs and were getting stripped out by a bug in an outdated version of the watermarking software which we've since upgraded. Any DRM-free Wrox e books purchased now should include the intended bookmarks.

If you go back to your account and download the book again, the server should generate a new version for you, this time with the bookmarks. If you have any other problems, please continue to let us know.

Andrew (not verified)

I tweeted this as well but here's the long version...

I'd be more inclined to purchase the physical book if I knew I'd also get a digital copy (pdf). I personally hate reading pdf's, but it would be nice to have a copy around for times when you want to refer to the book but don't have it with you. "Cloud computing" (excuse me while I puke) makes this possible.

It's still great to see a DRM-less option and I applaud you for taking that step, but why hurt the people that still want to buy and read the pulp?

 

Cheers!

Krasio (not verified)

Thanks a lot Jim!

Now I have another problem - can not login to my account. Few minutes after clicking on "Log in" button error message is displayed saying "Errors found in web application".

Hope this will be fixed soon.

Please Note -- Comments temporarily disabled: 

Unfortunately, Jim's post has been hit with a spambot attack today, so we've had to shut off comments for a few hours.  Please know that we appreciate everyone's comments thus far and definitely want to continue the conversation later.

Thanks for your comments.  We'll repost when things are back to normal.

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Blog Commenting Update: 

Commenting has been been turned back on. Also, you'll notice that we've added a new simple CAPTCHA app to the  Blogs comments area to help avoid spambot problems in the future.

We welcome and appreciate all your comments and feedback.  Thanks for your contributions to the Wrox P2P community! 

Krasio: There was a server outage last night that was fixed this morning. Please try logging into your account again. Sorry for the additional snag.

Wraith808: Good news. Yes, we've found a way to "upgrade" most old DRM'd ebooks purchased from Wrox.com and wiley.com to the new DRM-free. Please see this:

http://p2p.wrox.com/content/blogs/jminatel/old-drmd-wrox-ebooks-are-upgradable-drm-free

Roland: I'm working with legal and marketing to pare down the watermark. It won't be as small as you're looking for, but it will be a lot smaller.

Robert Cain (not verified)

First off let me say I am glad WROX has moved to DRM Free E-Books. Great idea, and the list of books you list as a starting point seems to be a great selection covering major points of development.

I do want to echo conerns over pricing however, it seems a bit high to sell an electronic version at a higher price than I can get the "dead tree" version for at an on-line retailer.

I would also like to see a discounted price of the e-book for people who also bought the dead tree version. I love having a physical book to kick back in my recliner and read, but I find when I need to reference something in it I'm usually at a client site or away from home.

Having an e-book version adds value. I wouldn't mind paying a small cost (say 5 to 10 dollars as one of your competitors does) to get the e-book, but don't ask me to pay full price when I've already bought the physical book.

David (not verified)

Robert and Roland, just a quick note about the price differential for different formats of the same book at online booksellers.  In those cases Wrox is acting as the publisher, rather than the retailer (for direct sales on Wrox.com Wrox is both).  Wrox sells the product to Amazon or BN.com or Borders.com or Buy.com, and they then resell the book to readers.

The problem, and it is a problem, is that the for some retailers such as Amazon, different groups within the retailer handle the merchandising for print and electronic books.   Amazon's discounts change often, and with two different groups handling the discounting the most common scenario is for those discounts to not be the same for print and e.  So what we actually have here is a discounting disparity, which ultimately results in a price disparity. And for whatever reason the discounting for print is often more aggressive, resulting in a final price to the reader that is higher for electronic than for print.

Wrox has flagged this issue to the retailers that have the discounting disparities, but the final decision on discounting to their customers will remain with the retailers.

 

Kiley (not verified)

I must say i at first was delighted to see the word free with e-book, after all havign bought and paid for well over 50 to 100 wrox books i thought great i can now download the e-book to the paperbook i already have purchased and take the e-book with me when not in the office.  To me this should be the law, if i have purchased the book already do i not already own the rights to that copy, somthing along the lines of music or DVD format.  Therefore, i think a small perhaps 5 dollar or less charge should apply to those of us who buy the paperback.  Should you opt to not buy the paperback then by all means you should pay the same price or a slightly lower price.  you guys are on the right track but keep going.

ChapterThirteen (not verified)

I'll also start by saying that I think the DRM Free option is a great move. However I also think the pricing needs to be sorted. It's just too high for a virtual product.

Other thoughts I have are I think it'd be great to sell an ebook upgrade to people with existing paper copies of books. I have dozens and dozens of Wrox books that if the price was reasonable I'd re-buy in an eBook format. I'd not do this with the current priceing. Also if I new I could by the paper version and get an electronic copy at a huge discount (Say £5 or so on top of the cover price of the book) I'd be up for buying both. 

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Anonymous (not verified)

I would also like to read the reasoning behind the pricing. I'm interested in the Professional Android 2 Application Development, 2nd Edition. But here this book is priced at $44.99 and $35.99 after the 20% discount, and at amazon (http://www.amazon.com/Professional-Android-2-Application-Development/dp/...), the same book goes for $29.69 paper and $26.72 kindle edition.

Why would we purchase a book directly from the publisher if it's more expensive? If you're removing the middle man, why not share the savings with the customers?

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