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Old June 3rd, 2003, 10:56 AM
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Will Wiley offer the P2P forums via email lists as WROX had before?

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Jeff:

The web forums do offer the ability for you to receive new postings in your email at either the forum or topic level trough the subscriptions feature. Subscriptions on this site not only alert you to new postings but also include the actual post message and have a link that you can click to take you directly to the topic for replying.

We do not however plan on allowing reply directly from email since they are very hard to control people spamming the lists or spoofing other memberís identities. If members must come to the site in order to reply, we have far greater control in verifying identity and blocking people who violate the terms of service.

Thank you for joining the P2P forums and I hope you enjoy you visits here.

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James,

Without the two-way email that "Classic" P2P had, the new forums are nothing helpful.

If you check the archives you will see there never was a big problem with spam using email lists.

Email is something everyone uses every day. Now your requiring people to make a special trip out to visit P2P with the web interface. Great if you want to push adds at us with each page view- terible if you actually want the best of the best to participate.

Bring back the mailing lists!

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I agree with Jeff. Two way email is essential for the forums to be valuable. Without it participation will be down significantly. Spam was never a problem before so it would be intresting to hear the real reason it isn't here. It is pretty simple to restrict posting to list members only.
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ditto, this needs to be email based rather than a website for ease of use.
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Yes, I couldn't agree more, perhaps Wrox should put forward a Poll and see what the subscribers think.

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 Jeff:

The web forums do offer the ability for you to receive new postings in your email at either the forum or topic level trough the subscriptions feature. Subscriptions on this site not only alert you to new postings but also include the actual post message and have a link that you can click to take you directly to the topic for replying.

We do not however plan on allowing reply directly from email since they are very hard to control people spamming the lists or spoofing other memberís identities. If members must come to the site in order to reply, we have far greater control in verifying identity and blocking people who violate the terms of service.

Thank you for joining the P2P forums and I hope you enjoy you visits here.

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Pity.

Email discussion lists offer much more convenience than a web interface. Ding, I got mail, I read it, I reply if I want to or can, then continue on about my business. I can also easily follow discussion threads merely by watching the email go by.

Stopping to go to a web page, no matter how easy you try to make it is just more intrusive.

You are making a mistake by not continuing the email lists; your concern over SPAM is misguided. If you do a litle research into the history of the P2P lists, I'm sure you will find that neither SPAM nor user spoofing was ever an issue. In fact, as I recall, the biggest SPAM problem we ever had was when some idiotic marketeer at WROX had a bright idea and decided to clutter up the lists with adverts for WROX services...

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I was about to make a post or a new discussion regarding the "new" p2p web forum. I wanna ask about the "mailing list" that we had before, but suddenly I have seen familiar faces(or should i say names:D)....Jeff Mason...and he already posted what I'm about to ask.

I totally agree with Jeff and others, mailing list is very convenient. You can see every post in the topic and therefore you can help somebody immediately without having to browse thru forums and look for topics wherein you can share your info with.

Personally I dont care if I receive a lot of mails or post because sometimes or most of the times I learn also from others' post.

When I got the email that P2P is back I was excited, but I was disappointed when I saw that it was a forum only :(

Bring back the email list:D

enzo c",)
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I'd have to echo Jeff's comments. When Wrox shut down I hunted around for lists to join to replace it. In the end I didn't stick with most of the new ones purely because you couldn't post via email. The convenience is a big factor. Even providing a link in the email in less than convenient. It means either another window in your desktop, or that you lose the page you were viewing and you have to wait for the page to load.

The only list which I did stick with was the sswug list, which works in the same way as the wrox list used to. I have yet to get a spam message through that list, although I don't how much work they have to put in at their end to cut the spam. I guess you could ask them how they do it.

Also although spam in increasing, there are tools to fight spam. The figures I've heard on bayesian filters are that they stop high 90s of spam with very few false positives.
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