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Old June 24th, 2003, 11:44 AM
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Ok, this might be a stupid question, but given that you need to register with the site and then subscribe to a topic in order to receive email notification how likely is is that a spammer would be replying to a list-mail anyway? Perhaps a requirement that new topics can only be started from the web would do as a halfway house for the moment, with a simple FROM: and RE: check for email replies? The chances that a members name could be randomly spoofed, along with a sensible subject line must be pretty small.

Right, I'm climbing into my bunker now. Feel free to reply with extreme prejudice

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One final word, apologies to James Sample...

Apress had a team in Arden House and when I first spoke to them they weren't sure whether they owned P2P or not! Evidently everything had degenerated into quite a mess upon closure so it is not surprising Wiley (and now Hal) have to make the best of a bad job. Best of luck to all.

I'd also like to point out that P2P was more or less closed by Wrox at the end of 2001, after letting go most of the team and moving Dave, Dan and I to other work. I managed to persuade Adam Maclean to keep it going in Jan 2002, but we had no budget apart from some of my time and whatever time dave could spare. Hence there was no real developement or bug fixing after that point, though we did manage to get an upgrade to Lyris in 2002. Dave was hoping to do an upgrade to the web site sometime this year.

Dave's original design was actually excellent, integrating the web interface, email and news in a seamless way. You didn't need to know which method everyone else was using, it all just worked most of the time. I think P2P was pretty much unique in this respect.

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Lastly, (and this is merely a tongue-in-cheek observation and is not intended as a parthian shot, I hope you understand) it is perhaps unwise to advertise the fact that a computer programming publisher has "nothing but windows servers", has "no Linux experience", "no PostgreSQL experience", et cetera :).
It's not my company.... I assume the authors have some experience with those things :)


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I'm wondering whether, between us, we could do this on our own, if Wiley don't want to implement such a thing... hosting/bandwidth costs are the only real problem here, using free software would take care of most of the actual work involved. Pete Aylward from Friends of ED kept the FoED forums running after the collapse of Wrox, and now Apress seem to be working with him in carrying them on in the same format - see http://friendsofed.infopop.net/
Before Wiley got Wrox and when I was considering possibly bidding on some stuff (that idea lasted 2 minutes) I wrote to APRESS about it (Specifically about P2P) and they seemed to have interest in it- but since it's here, I'd like to try to work on this. The reason is it has lots of "attention". Plenty of people with good intentions and good skills are out there and they are making mailing lists- however none have their URL in so many books....


As for the topic of the thread :) - I like the idea of adding some kind of code (perhaps in the headers? Or with a custom reply-to address?) That includes this "reply" code that will not only tie the thread together but provide authentication. Like the Listserv(tm) product does. it can also go in the subject- since it's not used in the reply's here... So we have a potential solution to the REPLY issue I think.

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 Lastly, (and this is merely a tongue-in-cheek observation and is not intended as a parthian shot, I hope you understand) it is perhaps unwise to advertise the fact that a computer programming publisher has "nothing but windows servers", has "no Linux experience", "no PostgreSQL experience", et cetera :).
Well we also publish Iguanas For Dummies

...but you won't see many crawling around our server room. :D

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What is the current status of getting the mailing lists up?

On an unrelated note, more 'spam' seems to be getting through in the new forums than it was in the old lists. During the time that the p2p lists were unmoderated I got one spam email. In the new lists I've had a few, some from a user whose name I forget, but who complained of censorship when he was shut down (Hal had a bit of a converstion with him), and a couple today (with possibly more to come) from naishi advertising some dating site.

I don't know whether this is due to generally increasing levels of spam, increasing sophistication of spammers or for some other reason.

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 What is the current status of getting the mailing lists up?
At this moment- the status is unchanged. I am unable to do this project myself and there have not been solutions to the requirements that seem satisfactory. Actually, from my POV, I thought this had died as interest waned.



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I do not think interest "waned", I think everyone is still waiting for this feature. I also think everyone is tired of complaining about it since it seems to be now apparent that Wiley has no intention of doing it nor really cares about the users want.

Because of the overly annoying way you have to send in a post, I do not respond nealy as often as I used to. There have been many posts that I could have replied to with a little help, but I simply do not have time to be tracking stuff down all over a website when a simple reply would work.

In an enviroment like this, you'd think someone would be able to fulfill the requirements. Seems to me that this snitz forum stuff is pretty crappy stuff if it does not have email features built in.

Since the Wiley aquisition, the P2P stuff has really digressed. Is there any hope in it returning to the greatness it was on the old site?

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Chris,

As Wiley stated- if WE AS A COMMUNITY wish to implement the feature- we can and they will accept it if it meets their requirements. They will look into implementing it themselves when time permits on their own schedule.

I tried to push this forward and get the community involved in doing it ourselvelves. We do not seem to want to do that as a community- I can not and will not do it myself.

Therefore either we need people to volunteer to do this OR we need to wait till Wiley has the time to.

I agree that the email system was better. As I have said- Wiley doesn't consider it an option. Since I have no say in what they do over there, I can't change their minds.

Remember.. I don't work for Wiley- I am just a guy who is moderating and trying to help out.. an unemployed and going broke one at that. I sure wouldn't mind if I could change my sig to say I WAS a Wiley employee!


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