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Message #1 by "Josh" <jeb_braun@i...> on Fri, 10 May 2002 09:25:03
Hi,
I'm buying a new puter with WinXP Home Edition in a month or two and was 
wondering if it comes with server software like my Win98 one did? If not 
is there software I can download for free so I can run my PHP scripts on 
it? Thanks
Message #2 by "Brian" <vagabond@b...> on Fri, 10 May 2002 01:42:38 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time)
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Josh wrote:=0D
> Hi,=0D
> I'm buying a new puter with WinXP Home Edition in a month or two and wa
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> wondering if it comes with server software like my Win98 one did? If no
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> is there software I can download for free so I can run my PHP scripts o
n =0D
> it? Thanks=0D
=0D
Josh=0D
I'm not sure about XP Home Edition but XP Pro comes with Internet
Information Server v5.1.=0D
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Message #3 by "Brian" <vagabond@b...> on Fri, 10 May 2002 01:48:00 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time)
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Josh wrote:=0D
> If not is there software I can download for free so I can run my PHP
scripts on =0D
> it? Thanks=0D
=0D
You can download the latest version of the Apache web server at www.apach
e
org. It seems to run fine on XP from what I've experienced.=0D
=0D
- Brian

Message #4 by "Josh" <jeb_braun@i...> on Mon, 13 May 2002 10:05:22
Ok I guess I will just get WinXP Pro then because its only a $57(us) 
upgrade and from what I've read at the MS website it has a bunch more 
great features to. Thanks
Message #5 by Anonymous on Tue, 14 May 2002 07:19:18
Hello,


I have to warn you about Windows XP. 

"DO NOT ATTEMP TO TUN PHP TOGETHER WITH APACHE WEB SERVER ON WIN XP!"

There is a big socket problem issue, that I and many others have 
experienced on Windows XP. As a Server System plattform, Windows XP is the 
most unreliable you can get right now.

Most users do not know that XP is cousing this problem, and they start 
accusing PHP or Apache for thier problems.

Some of the problems:

- When users browse your PHP pages on the web,
  - Web Pages are reloading all the time
  - They are cut in the middle and not completely displayed

I had problems with XP on my server, and after months and months of 
searching for errors in PHP and Apache, I decided to install Windows 2000 
Server, and all my problems dessapeared.

Take my advice, and do not install XP. Windows 2000, or Windows 2000 
Server will work fine.

Acctually, Windows XP is not ment to be used as an Server plattform yet, 
and no hosts are using it today, beacuse it's an unproven as a server 
technology.

There is a lot of pages describing this issue, here are some:

http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=14200

http://www.phpbuilder.com/forum/read.php3?num=4&id=6061&loc=0&thread=6061

You will find more issues on PHP's website.


Regards,

-Anonymous
Message #6 by "Josh" <jeb_braun@i...> on Tue, 14 May 2002 11:09:15
Well I'm not going to host a website with my puter, I just need the server 
software so I can view my PHP scripts without uploading them to my website 
host. And I also like what I've read about it and if it all of a sudden 
acts stupid like you said I can always work on my PHP on this computer I'm 
using now. Oh and also if there are bugs wouldn't MS fix them and make the 
fixes avalible for download for ppl sometime or another?
Message #7 by Daniel Walker <dan@w...> on Tue, 14 May 2002 11:16:03 +0000
I think "sometime or another" are the operative words, here, yes, judging
 by
how long it takes them to fix even the most pressing security vulnerabili
ties
in their operating systems.

However, because XP is essentially a skinned-up copy of the WierdOS 2000 
(the
work station editions) it's quite a strong system. I've been using 2000 a
t
work for almost a year, and altrhough it uses "preemptive multi crashing"

(i.e it will occasionally go Postal and start randomly start killing
processes in a bid to keep itself running) I have never seen a BSOD on it
,
like I used to with the 95-based kernels, before.

The problem really is that, since it isn't intended for server use, it is

delieberately configured so as to make it hard to use for such a purpose 
-
especially with respect to technologies like PHP (towards which Microsoft
 is
hostile, to say the least).

As an aside, since SuSE Linux is SO much easier to use as a development
environment for PHP, I have never understood why people still use Windows
 -
but there you go.

Dan

On Tuesday 14 May 2002 11:09, you wrote:
> Well I'm not going to host a website with my puter, I just need the ser
ver
> software so I can view my PHP scripts without uploading them to my webs
ite
> host. And I also like what I've read about it and if it all of a sudden
> acts stupid like you said I can always work on my PHP on this computer 
I'm
> using now. Oh and also if there are bugs wouldn't MS fix them and make 
the
> fixes avalible for download for ppl sometime or another?
>
Message #8 by "Brian" <vagabond@b...> on Tue, 14 May 2002 07:04:32 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time)
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On May 14, 2002 at 3:03:51 AM, Josh wrote:=0D
=0D
>Well I'm not going to host a website with my puter, I just need the serv
er =0D
>software so I can view my PHP scripts without uploading them to my websi
te =0D
>host. And I also like what I've read about it and if it all of a sudden 
=0D
>acts stupid like you said I can always work on my PHP on this computer I
'm =0D
>using now. Oh and also if there are bugs wouldn't MS fix them and make t
he =0D
>fixes avalible for download for ppl sometime or another?=0D
=0D
Josh=0D
=0D
You should be fine in doing so. I haven't had any of the problems describ
ed
by that earlier reply and I'm running XP Pro. =0D
=0D
Regarding Bug fixes, XP has the best feature to ensure that your bugs get
the attention of the MS engineering team. Everytime there is an error and
 a
program crashes on your system, XP sends an error report to MS via the
Internet. You are given the choice of sending the report or not. Personal
ly,
I send every report that comes up. This is a great addition to Windows IM
O.
:)=0D
=0D
- Brian

Message #9 by "Brian" <vagabond@b...> on Tue, 14 May 2002 07:23:52 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time)
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On May 14, 2002 at 3:17:12 AM, Dan Walker wrote:=0D
=0D
> I think "sometime or another" are the operative words, here, yes, judgi
ng
by =0D
> how long it takes them to fix even the most pressing security
vulnerabilities =0D
> in their operating systems.=0D
=0D
Dan=0D
=0D
I'm running Windows XP Pro and I have to say you're summation of XP's bug
fixing pace is rather lacking in first-hand knowledge.  XP is the first
Windows OS that I have run that has had bug fixes come at a phenominal ra
te.
I've run 95, 98, 98SE, and ME and none of these operating systems have co
me
close to the bug support that XP boasts. This is all thanx to an ingeniou
s
error reporting system built into XP which I mentioned to Josh in my earl
ier
reply. =0D
=0D
- Brian

Message #10 by Anonymous on Wed, 15 May 2002 00:40:45
Hi,


Heh, the thing about Microsoft is:

"The only thing Micro$oft has done for society, is make people believe 
that computers are inherently unreliable."

This is a fact!

If you're happy with your Windows XP updating bug tools, and that your XP 
connect's to the web automatically and gets the latest version of 
bugfixes, then, you're true 'home' user, and not a developer nor 
interested 'how things work under th hood'. Get yourself Home Edition and 
use your computer as a entertainment machine and not a developing machine.

First,

Microsoft isn't open source, there is no way to confim what's hiding under 
the hood. You will have to believe everything they serv to you, including 
your XP. Developers world-wide are trying to fight for the open source 
rights, and against monopolly, and PHP is one great weapon.

Accually, I think that you should 'convert' to UNIX.

XP is fine for home use and watching movies and listening to your music, 
but I think that the amount your paying for that is a bit high. Much high 
than what the market offers today, Linux (several distributions, Red Hat, 
Suse)

Consider this email as a small advice and learn how different technologies 
works first, their compatibility with eachother (like running Apache on 
win32 based systems), the effort you have to put on enabling and securing 
your web server platform etc.


Best Regards,


-Anonymous
Message #11 by Peter Simard <pasimard@v...> on Tue, 14 May 2002 19:51:17 -0400
If I may ask for clarification on one point pertaining to the
following:

"...Developers world-wide are trying to fight for the open source
rights, and against monopoly..."

Are you proposing that once a person buys a piece of software, that
they own the intellectual property contained therein, or positing open
source as a viable alternative to proprietary software?

I'm in full support of open-source, provided that code is offered up
as such.

I run a test box on Linux...but my DSL connection is to a WinXP-Pro
box, on which I also develop...frankly for every-day use i'd rather
use Windows or even Apple.

IMHO No flavor of Linux stands a chance of ever being a viable desktop
OS for the home user.

Just some random thoughts ....

-- 
Best regards,
 Peter                            
mailto:pasimard@v...


Message #12 by "Brian" <vagabond@b...> on Tue, 14 May 2002 21:43:32 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time)
>If you're happy with your Windows XP updating bug tools, and that your XP 
>connect's to the web automatically and gets the latest version of 
>bugfixes, then, you're true 'home' user, and not a developer nor 
>interested 'how things work under th hood'. .

You're half right... I'm a lot more complex then a home user as you put it.
I'm a designer first, a coder second, and I've got more important things to
do with my time then crawl around through the vast complex coding structure
of an operating system like XP... it works the way I want it to and that's
all this designer/coder cares about. 

Cheers bub!

- Brian
Message #13 by "Josh" <jeb_braun@i...> on Sat, 18 May 2002 14:47:11
Thanks for all your opinions! I think I'm gonna get XP Pro. And I don't 
need a OS that I get look at the code because the only programing language 
I know is PHP4(just started learning it awhile ago) so I don't think I'd 
need to see the source of the OS I use. Thanks again.

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