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jerryham September 1st, 2008 03:53 PM

why buy vs-2008 instead of vb-2008
 

for the last 10 years, i have been writing programs in vb-6.

i write large stand-alone programs that i sell (on cd) to users.

i now find that i need to re-write a lot of my software in a more modern language.

You can see (and download) one of my typical programs from my website

.. www (dot) wa0h (dot) com .. the (0) is the number zero

the language needs to includes a package-and-deployment wizard and support very large databases.

a built-in help (such as msdn) .. and a vb to vb-2008 converter .. would be nice.

??? do i need to buy visual studio 2008 .. or will vb-2008 do ???

i am retired and don't have much income.

i am not only old, i am old-fashoned .. feel free to call .. a phone call is much more productive than back-and-forth emails .. my phone number is on my website.

thanks for your time.

jerry

gbianchi September 1st, 2008 08:24 PM

Well, IMHO unless you have to upgrade your software with new functionality, you don't have to rewrite anything. Telling you that, You will need VS 2008 if you use for example, reporting capabilities in your software..

If not, probably the free version will do the trick, and you can use any free deployement software you want, and for sure it will allow any type of database you want.

Also, sorry to say this, but I don't think anyone will call you from here. Usually the help here is for other user to use it, not just for the Poster.

HTH

Gonzalo

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planoie September 1st, 2008 09:48 PM

Jerry,

For hobbyist type work, the free versions of Visual Studio should suit you just fine. You can get Visual Web Developer for web site development and Visual Basic/CSharp Express versions for desktop development.

What you won't find in the express versions of Visual Studio is the kind of support you would need if you are working in a software development enterprise such as:
- Source Control support (of course, this really only applies to integration with Visual Source Safe (VSS), the Microsoft source control system - there are plenty of open source (and free) source control systems that are far better than VSS that work just find with .NET source files)
- Team system integration (not necessary for the individual)
- Advanced development tools

I haven't worked with the express versions much, but I think you'll find there isn't much missing that you would need. Take a look at the product comparison:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/vstu.../cc149003.aspx

73 DE KB1AVL

-Peter
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jerryham September 2nd, 2008 10:46 AM

thanks peter.

i did download vb-2008-express but it would not install on a pc that was not connected to the internet.

since i still do classified programming for some large companies, for obvious reasons, i don't have my development pc on the internet.

you can see (and download free) my ham radio logging program from my website .. www.wa0h.com

note that i am not afraid to let people talk to me .. my phone number is on my website.

for the programs i have been writing and selling on cd .. the express version would probably not work.

when someone buys my software, i let them call and ask me a question.

even though i bought $100 worth of wiley vb-2008 programming books, wiley publishing refused to let me ask the authors a general vb question .. do i have to buy vs-2008.

due to a little arthritis in my hands, it is much easier for me to use the phone than to go back and forth with emails .. just getting old.

anyway, thanks for your suggestions.

hope to see you at dayton next year.

jerry gentry .. wa0h

jerryham September 2nd, 2008 01:42 PM

thanks guys.

never mind.

i called the editor and told her the problem i was having with the p2p website and she said that since i bought their books that she would email the authors and ask them to contact me.

jerry gentry .. wa0h

Imar September 2nd, 2008 01:51 PM

Of course it may be different from author to author, but you'll generally find that most Wrox authors are very responsive....

What "problems" are you having with the P2P site?

And did you see the downloadable DVD: http://www.microsoft.com/express/download/offline.aspx

I haven't tested it, but AFAIK, it allows you to install VS 2008 Express while being off-line.

HtH,

Imar

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jerryham September 2nd, 2008 02:12 PM

thanks imar.

that was not the one i downloaded .. it will give the cd download a try.

the books i bought said to use the p2p website to contact the authors.

after several days, i still have not been able to do that.

jerry gentry .. wa0h

Imar September 2nd, 2008 02:39 PM

I guess it depends what you contact them for and how you try to contact them.

Typically, it's much easier to use the forums if it deals with the books, their content, or technical stuff related to programming in general.

That way, authors don't get flooded with messages, other contributors will be able to join and, best of all, other visitors, now and in the future, will be able to learn from the discussion. If everyone goes "underwater" with private messages, all of these benefits are lost.

Many Wrox books have author information in the front or end of the book. For example, in my own books I list my e-mail address and web URL so readers of my books will always be able to contact me. Of course, for other books or authors this may be different, but it's worth checking out the bios / intros of your books.

Imar


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