Thanks Woody, I will re-iterate, I am just interested to know 'what' information would be available after a program had been decompiled. Its funny, but looking at the .mxl files gives up more information about how the app works than than can be gained from the output of the various decompilers that I tried, unless of course you are a opp code god - I am a mere mortal :) I am curious to know if the database password is plainly visible somewhere but I think mainly I am done looking at this app. Anyway, I like writing my own code, a) sense of satisfaction when it works b) I know exactly what is going on! I to have been in on projects where I have received the code, no comments, no design plans, no developer left from the original team (for various reasons), and a week to 'finish' the project... but sometimes the puzzle is part of the fun... later Ron