No no no, you are mistaken. Jim altered the original treads and posted the part about the "spirited discussion" *after* the discussion between Chris, Peter and me. It's not "directed at someone (or many) posting in this forum". It applies to this single thread (ID=70286) and to this thread only. It has nothing to do with you or any other forum member as you weren't a participant to this thread until Jim changed the article.

Don't feel insulted by something that doesn't apply to you. It has nothing to do with being right or wrong and has nothing to do with any forum member other than Chris, Peter and me.

Imar

Well Imar I don't understand that because I see Jim's post first. But I will accept your explanation and move on.

Terry

Take a look at the cached version of this thread in Google:

http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:N...n&ct=clnk&cd=1

You'll see Jim initially posted something else and only later changed it.

Later, when the discussion went on a tangent (;)) he edited the original post and moved his original content to a new thread. Just reread his (altered) post again, compare it with the Google version and take a look http://p2p.wrox.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=70742 here and you'll see it all makes sense.

The only unfortunate thing is that when Jim edits his posts, you don't see a "edited by Jim on [some date]" so you can't see the post has been edited....

Imar


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http://Imar.Spaanjaars.Com
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Author of Beginning ASP.NET 3.5 : in C# and VB, ASP.NET 2.0 Instant Results and Dreamweaver MX 2004
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Then the comment "the spirited discussion has gone off really on a tangent" is inappropiate for this forum if it hasn't gone on a tangent here. The comment in the very first sentence doesn't really motivate people to read further into his post.

I'd rather not discuss it any further, thanks.

Terry

Terry:
As Imar's explained, this wasn't directed at you. But furthermore, it wasn't directed at anyone. Sorry if my clumsy handling of the post caused you to think there was a problem with you or anyone. I've enjoyed watching you work through the book. The kind of questions you've been asking are exactly why the forum is here. If you're interested, here's a timeline:
1. Originally I posted the book's introudction on April 2 over in the general ASP.NET 3.5 forum as a way for people who weren't familiar with the book yet to see it
2. Chris had some disagreement with the "who this book is for section." That discussion went I felt off track as it was really specific to the book
3. Following my policy of not deleting criticism in the forums (unless it violates our policies about abusive or foul language) I wanted to keep the discussion between Imar, Chris, and Peter, but I wanted to move it here into the book's forum where it was most appropriate.
4. So I did that yesterday. But since our forum lacks a "split post" feature (coming soon in next version of the forums!) I edited my post down to just the part Chris commented on and moved it here.
5. Then I reposted the whole intro as a new post.
Whew.

So, again, it's not a "problem" with Chris, it's just that I thought the best place for the disagreement regarding who the book fits is in this forum, and the best place for my post of the introduction is back where it was originally in the general ASP.NET 3.5 forum.

I hope all of this hasn't burned too much energy or caused you stress. Enjoy the rest of the weekend.

Jim Minatel
Acquisitions Director
Wiley Technology Publishing
WROX Press
Blog: http://wroxblog.typepad.com/
Wrox online library: http://wrox.books24x7.com

Ok Jim, thanks for clarifying that.

I was trying to fit it all in about an hour ago at the coffee shop. It makes since now. The part you edited makes more sense when you added "OK, this was originally my posting of the book's introduction." It doesn't make it look like it's due to this forum.

The fact that it wasn't there in the unedited post made me feel you posted it due to someone posting inappropriate topics. And if so, the same error (gone off really tangent) could continue because you didn't let us know what the inappropriate topics were. Thus, it made me afraid to post anything at all since I had no idea who or what was done to 'gone off really tangent'.

I hope you understand where I was coming from.

Thanks again for clarifying that.

Terry

I feel you need at least a beginning knowledge of the .NET framework and where to find and use the namespaces and classes/methods to have a understanding on some of the programming concepts (But Imar does introduce the VB and C# concepts you need to manipulate properties etc.)

In one of my posts, I've clarified that Imar does in fact cover the essential programming skills needed to use ASP.NET, but in order to use those programming skills you need to have a fundamental understanding of how to use the .NET framework.

Once you figure out what you need to accomplish, you can fairly easily research how to go about doing it, and thanks to one of the members here, they pointed me to the following link

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa139615.aspx

Again, it is not a problem with the book or any of his concepts, or with Microsoft or ASP. You can in fact, after reading this book, develop an ABOVE average website.

If you want to learn anything beyond that, or integrate other technologies into your site, you must consult the MSDN and do your own research. I've picked up the Professional ASP.NET 3.5 book and it goes more indepth into the complexities of ASP.NET and some portions of the .NET framework.