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Old May 27th, 2011, 12:54 AM
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Default Delegates - can anyone REALLY explain them?

Folks,

I've searched up and down the web, Books, Apple's docs and even under rocks in my back yard - and though I've read DOZENS (100's?) of entries, articles, and posts, I haven't found a single REAL explanation to what delegates REALLY are, HOW they work - and WHY we even need them? WHY they're being used, why they exist, what ADVANTAGES they offer programmers - I'm practically astounded by the total lack of any REAL explanations out there on what delegates are.

Its amazing.

I've got a Masters Degree for God's sakes! I've taught in Universities and various Training Centers for years. And I've been coding for years - on and off, some professionally, some semi-professionally - in Actionscript, Javascript, Lingo (anyone remember that?), even Pascal way way back in the 80's when I was a kid!! - I really do understand programming. I may not be a whiz, but I'm no fool either!

So, please, can anyone really explain Delegates - perhaps with real-world analogies. I mean lets not even talk CODE, lets not talk SYNTAX, lets "real-world" it, lets talk CONCEPTS. Give me analogies from the Business World for example, from running the old Lemonade Stand perspective, or running a Baseball team - I dunno - ANYTHING that would make sense.

anyone?
anyone???
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I believe I can and will try after the holiday weekend.
For now, delegates are used to extend the functionality of a class without resorting to subclassing. They provide a design pattern that maintains very loose coupling between classes, usually more generic ones like views, and those with application specific functionality. Some of the most common examples of classes that use delegates are windows (in Cocoa), tableViews, and textFields/textViews. A tableView, for example, only knows how to draw itself, and while it could be sub-classed to deal with the presentation and manipulation of the data it displays, that is counter to MVC paradigm. Delegate methods are of the
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-should
-did
type. They allow the application to set up constraints, pre and post processing and reactions to events. A simple scenario- Text is entered in a textField and the window containing the textField is about to close. What should be done with the input text? The window and textFields are simply containers, they don't and shouldn't know how to handle it, so their delegate is informed about what is about to occur (-windowShouldClose and -textFieldShouldResignFirstResponder for example) and it is the delegate's responsibility to allow or prevent this from taking place, or take some action before allowing it to occur.
More to come on Tuesday…
If you haven't read Cocoa Design Patterns by Buck and Yacktmann I would strongly recommend it.

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Default Explaining Delegates

Bob, I'm assuming that when you wrote in the second line of your response "delegates are used to extend the functionality of a class with resorting to subclassing " - you actually meant to say withOUT resorting to classes?

Otherwise, I'm very much looking forward to your response after the weekend.
You seem to be very active on this forum - I'm fairly new but you've already responded to one of my posts, and I've certainly come across some of your other contributions in my searches here where I've come across your responses to other posts by other users.
In short, its great to see someone be so attentive and forthcoming with their knowledge.

I'm only hoping that you'll indeed find a way to phrase a response on this topic in a manner that isn't 100% code, syntax or theory-talk. As mentioned, a discussion of a real-life process - like managing a baseball team, or running a coffee-shop, or anything we can all relate to from everyday living would definitely be great (not that we all manage baseball teams in our everyday lives :-)) But you know what I mean.

Putting it all together afterwards and bringing it back to code can at that point really drive the whole thing home.
So it'd be great to see something like:

@interface teamManager, or: wildThing <pitchingCoachDelegate> - or something along those lines (those are probably wrong, but the point is to actually turn-into-code whatever concepts / examples are discussed.)
Otherwise, if its yet another example that talks about ''id <UITableViewDataSource>'' etc. - well, there's just so many such posts out there already - they haven't really helped me so far - and I bet there are other folks out there who feel the same way.

Anyway, just an idea.

K - enjoy your weekend!
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What I wouldn't give, as a beginner, for a source that explained some of these concepts in something closer to plain language.

I've been following the examples in several books, designed for varying stages of the learning process, and I find the syntax is much easier to understand when you have a reasonable grasp of the underlying concepts, but too much jargon often seems just an obstacle.

(I understand that this book in particular is intended for people who already have a certain amount of experience, which probably isn't me, not yet, but I'm hoping to gain something from the challenge.)
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