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sjar, if the code in point 2) is as you've spelt it, I believe the spelling of the 'visible' property is, as I've spelt it i.e. VISIBLE. I don't know if this helps as I'm learning V.B. 2005 myself, having worked with V.B.6 for years. Liam.
Thanks for the info, I found my errors on page 260 I had tsbFormatting as tspFormatting my error and the first on page 254 I had newToolStripItem_Click and it should have been newToolStripMenuItem_Click again my error.
I'll get a cup of coffee before I go to the forum again.