Wrox Programmer Forums
|
BOOK: Professional ASP.NET 2.0 and Special Edition; ISBN: 978-0-7645-7610-2; ISBN: 978-0-470-04178-9
This is the forum to discuss the Wrox book Professional ASP.NET 2.0 Special Edition by Bill Evjen, Scott Hanselman, Devin Rader, Farhan Muhammad, Srinivasa Sivakumar; ISBN: 9780470041789
Welcome to the p2p.wrox.com Forums.

You are currently viewing the BOOK: Professional ASP.NET 2.0 and Special Edition; ISBN: 978-0-7645-7610-2; ISBN: 978-0-470-04178-9 section of the Wrox Programmer to Programmer discussions. This is a community of software programmers and website developers including Wrox book authors and readers. New member registration was closed in 2019. New posts were shut off and the site was archived into this static format as of October 1, 2020. If you require technical support for a Wrox book please contact http://hub.wiley.com
 
Old July 2nd, 2006, 11:32 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 5
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default Rant: Authors do not know what <table> is for???

Page 163:
Quote:
quote:Tables are one of the Web page's more common elements because HTML <table> element is ideal for controlling the layout of your web page.
What?!? Are you serious? Apparently the authors of Professional ASP.NET 2.0 still do not what the <table> element is actually for: displaying tabular data. NOT LAYOUT!!! There's this great thing called Cascading Style Sheets which, what do you know, allow you to specify the presentation of your web site, including layout! But I guess anything that's more involved than dropping in a single server control to do all the work for you is too hard.

If you don't know what I am talking about read this: http://www.hotdesign.com/seybold/.

Needed to vent. Thank you.

 
Old September 13th, 2006, 09:31 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 2
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default

Don't make a hasty judgment. It's for layout as well. Thousands of websites are using them for this purpose. You needed to vent but it's not really necessary. For this very page what do you think they have used?

desKStar
 
Old September 13th, 2006, 09:43 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 5
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default

Tables are not for layout. Period. This site does it wrong, too.

RTFM.

 
Old September 15th, 2006, 07:37 AM
Imar's Avatar
Wrox Author
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 17,089
Thanks: 80
Thanked 1,576 Times in 1,552 Posts
Default

Hi hermitdruid,

A bit of a narrow minded vision, don't you think? Can you indicate what M you are referring to that we should R?

While I agree that it is generally better to use tables for tabular presentation and other CSS for design constructs, I don't agree with the "Tables are not for layout" statement. I also don't agree this site (and millions of others) do(es) it wrong. In the past few years, it gathered 52313 members that have made 153483 posts. How wrong is that? Sounds successful to me....

In my opinion, you're better off using CSS to design a site, and use tables for tabular data. However, there is no right or wrong. Instead of showing your (possibly??) limited vision and experience with this by telling people to R The F M, you should tell them *why* it's important to use CSS instead of tables. Tell them about reusability, cost of site wide changes, general maintainability, improved tools support and so on.

Also, tell them that table are perfectly acceptable in some cases, as long as you don't overuse them. IMO, there is not something wrong with using one simple table if it means you have instant cross browser compatibility, without spending literally days or weeks to tweak a "perfect" CSS design.

IMO, that is a lot closer to the truth than "Tables are not for layout" and RTFM are....

Cheers,

Imar
---------------------------------------
Imar Spaanjaars
Everyone is unique, except for me.
Author of ASP.NET 2.0 Instant Results and Beginning Dreamweaver MX / MX 2004
While typing this post, I was listening to: Day Of The Lords by Joy Division (Track 4 from the album: Heart And Soul (CD 1)) What's This?
 
Old September 15th, 2006, 08:48 AM
AGS AGS is offline
Wrox Technical Editor
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 60
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default

Hi Imar,

Can't agree more. Rigidity in judgements is often a sign of narrow minded vision. And P2P forum is certainly not a place "to vent" in any case.

 
Old September 15th, 2006, 11:54 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 5
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default

Well said, Imar! Those are all great reasons. While I went a little overboard in the initial post (Come on guys, I ADMITTED it was a rant! That entails that I knew it was partly irrational.) I mainly wanted to point out my disagreement with the authors' claim that tables were "ideal" for layout. It sounds like you would also agree that tables are not "ideal" for layout.

Keep up the great work! We're moving towards a better Web...

 
Old September 15th, 2006, 06:49 PM
Imar's Avatar
Wrox Author
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 17,089
Thanks: 80
Thanked 1,576 Times in 1,552 Posts
Default

Yes, I do indeed agree with that. I just didn't agree with the RTFM so I had to rant about it.... ;)

Imar
---------------------------------------
Imar Spaanjaars
Everyone is unique, except for me.
Author of ASP.NET 2.0 Instant Results and Beginning Dreamweaver MX / MX 2004
Want to be my colleague? Then check out this post.





Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
<table> not displaying because of <iframe> crmpicco HTML Code Clinic 16 October 6th, 2007 04:46 PM
Regular Expression to remove <table> </table> tags mathalete CSS Cascading Style Sheets 2 January 23rd, 2006 01:59 PM
<style> tags in a <body> vs. <div> bcat BOOK: Beginning CSS: Cascading Style Sheets for Web Design ISBN: 978-0-7645-7642-3 1 March 27th, 2005 08:50 AM
<A><DIV><TABLE></DIV></A> anshul HTML Code Clinic 2 July 17th, 2004 02:17 PM





Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright (c) 2020 John Wiley & Sons, Inc.