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Old November 1st, 2007, 04:06 PM
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Hi all,
I am new to programming and i want to learn!!!
I want to learn all computer languages but i want to start with some thing easy and work my way up to a pro.

1.I am looking for a tutor (a person i can talk to not a FAQ guide)
2.What is a easy language to learm?
3.is it easier to start with a language that is a build lang. or a compiled lang.?


     Thanks for any and all help!!!! :)
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Ok,
I read this post yesterday but I needed to dig up some info before I posted, unfortunately I could not find the article on slashdot that I read awhile back. In any event, you said that you "want to learn all computer languages..." the problem with that statement is that I don't think that there is a single person in the world that knows ALL computer languages!

While not an exhaustive list, here is a look at some languages that do exist: http://home.nvg.org/~sk/lang/lang.html

Moving on, here are some answers to the questions you posed:
1. Unless you are willing to pay someone to give you 1 on 1 training, forums are going to be your best bet in so far as a tutor goes. Here is the thing though, if you were to go into the Begining ASP.NET 2.0 forum right now and were to ask an arbitrary question like:

How do I declare a string variable? You are going to get responses of links to articles about the language, books that can help you, etc. (All of use are here to help you with problems and teaching is inheriant as we help you, but none of us are here to teach you how to program.)

2. What do you ultimately want to do? For example if you want to write ISAPI modules that plug into IIS you are going to want to learn C++ if you want to create Web applications something like ASP.NET (VB or C#) or PHP is what you will want to look into. Personally I am a Microsoft guy and I started out learning Visual Basic back when it was in its 4.0 release. To date I am a Web Developer and primarily use C#. Unfortunately there is no easy answer to your question as it is a matter of personal opinion, IMHO I think that VB is a good language for a beginner but others may say PHP or PERL are good beginner languages.

3. I do not know what you mean by Build Language, do you mean to say an Interpeted language (VBScript for example is interpeted implmentation where as VB.NET is a compiled implementation)?

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Thanks for your reply and yes i meant a interpeted language.
After reading your reply i realized that i may have quested to much, but i hope that doesn't stop others from helping me.

I have obtained sever books and i am a little frustrated at the fact of how lost i feel here....Here is a small list of the books that i have obtained

Visual Basics 5 (Night School)
Beginning Python
Beginning Programming
C Turbo
JavaScript & javascript 3rd vol.
C by Example
Perl

Can you please help me with a place to start with the books i have?

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O.o Oh wow you are all over the place there.

Here is how I would group the books based upon similar syntax

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Perl
Python

#2
Javascript

#3
C Turbo
C by Example

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VB 5.0

First, since you are a beginner, you need to pick just 1 language for the time being because, IMHO, if you try to read all of those books from the outset all you are going to do is confuse yourself.

I don't know that I would spend time learning VB 5.0, if you want to go down that route I would start with learning the most current version: VB.NET.

Javascript is a great language and fairly easy to learn but you will need to couple it with HTML. (to be fair you don't HAVE to learn HTML, but normally HTML and JS go hand in hand)

C I don't have any input on as I never learned it (I have never had a reason to program at such a low level)

PERL and Python are great languages that I can liken to VBScript (though all 3 have their distinct points) so either of those languages would be good choices as well.

What is your ultimate goal here? Wanting to be a "Programmer" is a very broad description of what you want to do. I, for example, am a Web Applications programmer I focus on developing n-teir applications, web services, etc. That isn't to say I don't know how to write Windows or Console applications, i just don't enjoy it as much as Web Programming.

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I want to learn security and game designing.


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"I want to learn security and game designing."

Security: What do you mean by this? Do you want to learn how to write Firewall rules in a router to prevent people from accessing a network, creating programs like Fortress that prevent end users from preforming X functions??

Gaming: Before getting into the nitty gritty of this, you need to have pretty good math skills (Linear Algebra, Calculus, etc) for game design because almost every aspect of a video game relies on a mathmatical computation.

In so far as Gaming is concerned, you could go a few different routes. Elitests will say that you need to use C++ to develop video games and while it is the most widely used language for this type of thing Microsoft has released a Game Development Framework (XNA) that allows you to develop video games using C# that are playable on Windows and on the XBOX 360. (Wrox released a book entirely on this subject called: Professional XNA Game Programming: For Xbox 360 and Windows personally I have read that book and it is a pretty good book to get you going and it can also be found on http://wrox.books24x7.com/ )

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Ok.
When i say i want to learn security i mean i want to be able to write firewalls, write programs like fortress, norton, ect.
I want to be able to find errors in my programs and others.
Such as if i write a firewall i want to make it as flawless as possible and find errors in already existing programs.

Basicly i want to learn to be a security/reverse security engineer.

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 Thanks again Mr.Parsons for your help,i have skimmed a couple of pages in all my books and by far at the moment python is the only one thats seems to be easy to understand.
But unfortunitly i once again am having problems.............
I cant seem to find pythoncard so i got python 2.5.
Will this version stand the task of helping me teach myself to program in python?

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You should be ok with Python 2.5 but, be aware, that the examples provided in the book you have may not work since you are using a different version of Python then the book uses.

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I will look-out for that.
ok i am deep into the first chapter of this python book and i am having a little trouble understanding some of it.

Do you know where i can get python-card and a good compiler?
And is there a email address that i can get ahold of you at?
If so, is it a IM or just email?

                 thanks again for all the help
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