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What good is a book on coding using an application when the code doesn't work? This is being nice. Not work is one thing but 1000 pages of flawed code is another.

Even Microsoft will use WROXs flawed code. Why got me but that's the way it is.

I am so hesitant to buy anything that WROX makes. Oh they look ggood on the bookshelf. But that's about as far as it goes. After I was burnt purchasing ASP Components and Professional XML I stopped buying their books. And if I see an imprint whose parent co is WROC I stay away from it.

WROX if you had made just one book that looked interesting to me in which 100% of the code worked then I would call you a fine maker of Computer books. Instead I call you...Junk
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Are you aware of what has taken place with the WROX brand? Clearly not...

1. Wrox was owned by Peer.

2. Since Peer did a bad job (as you have noted) they went out of business.

3. The Wrox brand and a few of their books were purchased by Wiley

4. Wiley is taking their time in putting out new books and, I belive, improving the review process by using professional reviewers that they directly employ rather than the way peer handled the review process.

5. The bulk of Wrox books were purchased by A*Press.

I should add I had no problems at all using the Professional XML title.


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I know. In fact I have one of those APress books. It is or was a WROX imprint. Actually the code in Professional XML does not work as written. Just try to use the Toysco Example in Chapter 5 either downloaded or from the Book. Both fail miserably. Then you can really flip your lid over page 163 to get an image to show in a XML file; or you can download the entity example corresponding to p175 and have a laugh; or you can...it goes on and on.

Oh I should say. WROX as we knew it is gone. No love lost. Wiley is a respected publisher. They have a fine Graduate Textbook series. So hopefully they don't get bamboozled from hackneyed authors that think they know what their doing as WROX did. I wish Wiley well but they should consider getting rid of the WROX imprint entirely. The name has been besmirched and I doubt it can be rescued. I can tell you I do not trust it.
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I might have a different version of the book then. I recall no issues with the code that were not listed in Errata- But I have more development books than I care to admit-- so I might be mistaken or mis-remembering.

Having been a technical reviewer for Peer, I know what the process was. The compensation for the reviewers was not very good- as a result they were not inspired to do the work they really needed to.

We were paid per page of text we reviewed. That was no matter how long that page took to review or correct. As a result many of the reviewers "phoned it in" (in my opinion) because taking the time required to really review the book properly took more time than they were paying for.

Wiley, I understand, has in=house reviewers. This is probably a better way to do it from the standpoint of time being dedicated. Of course, that means the reviewer isn't out in the trenches and may not know some of the "gotchas" that we do out here in the field.

Optimally I'd say that the best reviewing team would be made up of both professional reviewers as well as a rotating group of people doing the work every day- and they should be paid a rate that makes it worth the time to do the quality review.

There was one book I was working on that I felt was so bad I stopped working on it after 2 chapters. It took me way too long to review for the pay.



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